Revert ice staff back to a DPS option

GrimTheReaper45

Yes

Ive been in favor of them removing the destro tanking effects for a long time. Dont see them as an effective way to help mag tank.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Yes

Yes, this needs to be fixed asap. A tanking ice build withing a DESTRUCTION staff is nonsense wherever you see it. A cheap fix for magic tanking and a slap in the face to the long requested ice mage builds.

Evergnar

Yes

Hated the change when they did it. Had an ice mage long before wardens. Miss it.

LizziAS

No

i use a frost staff on my dps healer hybrid that is using icy armor and healing armor. it's no problem to use it for dpsing. if you dont know how then perhaps you should light attack weave?

LizziAS

No

mikemacon wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.

ice staff and shock staff are magicka tank tools but if you want to dps with ice staff then use light attack weaving

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK

No

D0PAMINE wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

A tank with a staff should be niche and specialized. Tanks don’t use staves in any rpg setting until this one and we only started using because Zos has nerfed tanks into the mud.

Yes, I’m salty. They ruined tanking for me. Which I thought was impossible since I’m always the tank or healer in every mmo and not just in rpg settings. Yes even in FPS

You can still double SnB. Xynode still does. I like having the option for a staff, but I wouldn't be forced to use it. I don't run a frost staff because it feels weird, but lightning feels nice to me. Just run your setup you like and you can still do any content with it.

Yeah but xynodes tank builds are trash and would not be beneficial to anything other than low tier 4 man stuff... There is only one tank to rule them all

Frost staff took a while to get used to but I use it over the shock staff now

starkerealm

LizziAS wrote: »

mikemacon wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.

ice staff and shock staff are magicka tank tools but if you want to dps with ice staff then use light attack weaving

If you want DPS with a frost staff, you just avoid the passive that adds a taunt. Does make things sticky if you want to use a different staff on the other bar, but, that's the necessary step.

Grianasteri

No

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

I think it is good that Magica has an option for tanking. Personally I love the way the Ice staff works and I often use it for my tanks on 1 of the bars, with sword n board on the other.

However I do feel it is a shame that Ice is almost entirely focused on defence, it would be nice to be able to make a more offensive build with Ice as the focus. BUT, I do understand why this is the case in game and I am more or less comfortable with matters as they are.

I do think that the passive should be changed so that one can still gain the full benefits of the Ice staff, without having its heavy attacks taunt. That would be a very welcome change.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

And your point is? There are few Ice tanks. And I mean ICE TANKs with dual ice staff utilizing the mechanics of Warden class.
I have one, several others have one and are really fun to play compared to shield & sword.

Why you want our subclass to be completely disappear from the game?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Nah. Having a 3rd, completely different, option with frost gives destro staves more variety, imo. Before the change it was basically just a blue version of the inferno staves. Now it has a unique place in character builds.

It was only under used cause no classes at the time had frost powers. Nightblades all at magic damage, sorcs have the lightning and DO and Templars have fire. The frost play style can work but no classes at the time really fit.

Bigevilpeter

No

I like that there is another option for tanking other than S&B. Perhaps just remove the havey attack taunt, its useless even for tanks anyways and ruins the potential of it being used as DPS

LizziAS

No

starkerealm wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

mikemacon wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.

ice staff and shock staff are magicka tank tools but if you want to dps with ice staff then use light attack weaving

If you want DPS with a frost staff, you just avoid the passive that adds a taunt. Does make things sticky if you want to use a different staff on the other bar, but, that's the necessary step.

No need to avoid the passive. just light attack weave. Then when you are doing solo play you have the taunt and the shield should you choose to not light attack weave.

You do realize you dont have to use heavy attack on the frost staff right?

LizziAS

No

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I like that there is another option for tanking other than S&B. Perhaps just remove the havey attack taunt, its useless even for tanks anyways and ruins the potential of it being used as DPS

i use it a lot for magicka tank build s and DO NOT want the option to taunt with it to go away

LizziAS

No

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Nah. Having a 3rd, completely different, option with frost gives destro staves more variety, imo. Before the change it was basically just a blue version of the inferno staves. Now it has a unique place in character builds.

It was only under used cause no classes at the time had frost powers. Nightblades all at magic damage, sorcs have the lightning and DO and Templars have fire. The frost play style can work but no classes at the time really fit.

you can make a frost build with any class. Warden has frost abilities by default and nords have frost resistance,

LizziAS

No

Grianasteri wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

I think it is good that Magica has an option for tanking. Personally I love the way the Ice staff works and I often use it for my tanks on 1 of the bars, with sword n board on the other.

However I do feel it is a shame that Ice is almost entirely focused on defence, it would be nice to be able to make a more offensive build with Ice as the focus. BUT, I do understand why this is the case in game and I am more or less comfortable with matters as they are.

I do think that the passive should be changed so that one can still gain the full benefits of the Ice staff, without having its heavy attacks taunt. That would be a very welcome change.

Frost vault has an ice armor that releases an ice wraith for a considerable amount of damage

BattleAxe

No

Leave ice staff alone it is a great tanking tool. Tanks running lightning staves is kind of a waste as some healers are doing so already also using wall of elements to proc crusher enchant is the most unreliable thing as you don’t control who gets hit by the crusher enchant. On top of the previous heavy attacks restore magicka most utility tank skills cost magicka also taunt on heavy attack very useful combined with inner fire for taunting multiple enemies at once . So no ice staff should remain for tanks unless they come up with a better magicka based weapon skill line. Highly doubtful a new weapon skill line will be added anytime soon

EvilAutoTech

No

My tanks don't always have an ice staff equipped but they always have one in inventory.

I could give up my ice staff if there was an illusion staff with built in tanking support.

Araneae6537

Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

And your point is? There are few Ice tanks. And I mean ICE TANKs with dual ice staff utilizing the mechanics of Warden class.
I have one, several others have one and are really fun to play compared to shield & sword.

Why you want our subclass to be completely disappear from the game?

I absolutely wouldn’t want this option taken away! But it would be great to have a better optional taunt for any staff type as tank (personally don’t like heavy attack as taunt, feels too slow, would rather another ability or morph) and likewise full utility of any staff type as DPS.

Jeremy

It was always a little weird to me why Ice Staff would be for tanking.

I would prefer they revert Ice Staff back into a DPS option - with less damage or AoE capacity as say fire and lighting but with more CC effects thrown into the mix. Then add a new type of staff - Earth Staff - and have that focused on defensive play for magicka-based tanks.

buttaface

No

No. Why do people keep asking for more and more paradigmatic, unnecessary changes? Have you all not learned the lesson that this company cannot competently rework things at this level without causing problems, imbalance, bugs, overnerfing, etc.?

Ice staff is fine exactly where it is. It does 8% less single target dmg than inferno and 8% less aoe dmg than lightning. In other words, it has the exact same single target damage as a lightning staff and the exact same aoe damage as an inferno staff. In exchange it blocks with magicka and small dmg shield on heavies. Perfectly... balanced... system, which is rare in this game.

They would royally F up anything they did to it, and likely take the opportunity of "reworking" destro staves to institute massive new nerfs. Do you -really- want that?

OtarTheMad

Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol

Only yes if they put in Alteration Staff or another tanking staff.

karekiz

No

Fire dmg - Bonus to ST
Lightning - Bonus to AoE

Frost - Will never be slotted because the above two.

Fal_El

Yes

Give us our frost dps back!
Destruction staff should be about destroying things not tanking, just because you’re lazy and don’t want to create new weapons including a magicka tanking staff doesn’t mean you need to create aberration like frost tanking staff.
ESO is 5y old it’s about time you introduce new weapons (spear, sword&rune, tanking staff……)

karekiz

No

Fal_El wrote: »

Give us our frost dps back!
Destruction staff should be about destroying things not tanking

Isn't that like saying Bows shouldn't be able to be used in Melee range since its supposed to be about doing range damage?

Ice to me fits a Crowd control theme <Snares/roots etc>. Which basically fits ideally right with a tank who controls the fight. Interrupts <Crushing> is also just fine for tanking as it fits the theme of defending allies by preventing a spell action against them. Blockade is obvious choice <Snare CC / Enchant proc>. Ele drain is debuff. Again right with tanking.

MisterBigglesworth

Yes

Change "Blockade of Frost" into a literal block of ice! Encase yourself in a block of ice with 1 HP that must be destroyed before you can take damage again. Would be useful against hard-hitting bosses but not that great in PvP since you would effectively be rooted and stunned and enemy players could simply spam light attack to remove the effect.

Cundu_Ertur

Yes

At the very least shift the tanky taunt thing out of the frost staff part of the destruction passive and into one or more of the morphs of the active frost destruction skills.

IndianaJames7 wrote: »

Instead of changing the effect of each type of staffs themselves, why not change the Destro skill line passives, so that any type of staff can be used for tanking/healing/dps.

Make it a 3 level passive. Rank 1 adds dps boost, rank 2 adds group duff/ target rebuff, rank 3 helps with taunt. In that order obviously so that newbies aren’t pulling aggro right off the bat by putting passives in the wrong place not knowing any better like unknowing dps currently are doing with ice stave taunt.

This works, too.

Nevasca

Don't care

ZoS has much higher priorities than changing Ice Staff.

It's fine as it is, it's a defensive staff meant for utility (CC). I would even argue they should push Ice Staff harder into tanking role if they ever decide to change it again, it's pretty mediocre that the skills work the same way shock/fire do but with less damage.

Add something else other than minor maim/snare to skills, idk, maybe reach gives you minor heroism or something. Minor Maim is too easy to access without going Ice Damage, Minor Vulnerability (shock) is much harder though.

Push the staff further to utility, the way it functions now is a bit weird.

MLGProPlayer

Yes

Magicka needs more weapon options. But so did tank, to be honest. I'm not sure why they didn't just create a third staff types for tanks (earth element or something).

Hapexamendios

It’s an OK DPS option for all normal content and a few easier vet ones, but definitely falls behind on harder vet.

Raideen

Yes

I always felt a staff for tanking was kinda lame anyway...well not really kinda but completely lame. Its just dumb.

I would rather see a magicka tank actually be unarmed.

The unarmed skill (different from hand to hand..well if we had that) would allow for spell weaving. A skill line with defensive skills. Hold hand up with a glowing rune as a magical shield wall. Different hand/finger shapes for different spells.

Hold hands out palms forward with hands touching to form a triangle, utters a runic word (like dragon shouts) and a glowing triangle shape pulses off hand.

Hold both arms straight out, hands fisted, shouts and an energy pulse stuns target

Holds both arms out, fingers spread, palms facing caster, pulls arms in and clenches fists, pulls mob (or aoe of mobs) to the tank.

Not suggesting those exactly, but simply to help illustrate how an unarmed "weapon" could be used for tanking.

….just brainstorming.