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Revert ice staff back to a DPS option

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Somber97866
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All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

Revert ice staff back to a DPS option 249 votes

Yes
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No
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Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
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  • Somber97866
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    That last option is to change the way it works. Get rid of damage shield and make it into some kind of damage modifier
  • VaranisArano
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    There's a number of players who like to have a magicka tanking option, so you'd have to propose a replacement, like an Alteration Staff.

    Personally, I enjoy the Ice Staff CC and tankiness in PVP, especially Battlegrounds in Flag and Land Grab matches.
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    Yes
    and pls add instead 1 handed spears and greatshields!
  • Drdeath20
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    Wind staff for tanks.
  • emilyhyoyeon
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    A DESTRUCTION staff should not be a utility weapon. It doesn't make sense with how destruction magic (whether or not the magic schools have been established in the TES world at the point of the events of ESO) has appeared in the series until now. At most a destruction staff might provide elemental resistance shields.

    I really hope they revert the frost destruction staff change and introduce a new staff tanking option. The most reasonable option for what the series has established so far is an alteration based staff for tanking.
    Edited by emilyhyoyeon on October 13, 2019 7:11PM
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  • TheShadowScout
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    Yes
    Somber97866 wrote: »
    Revert ice staff back to a DPS option
    YES! So much yes!
    And then... add a "tanky" staff option in a different flavor! Warding staff, anyone?
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1 ;)
  • FakeFox
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    Yes
    Each staff should give a increase to damage of its element, so builds focus on one element instead of that weird mix we have now.
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  • Gadamlub14_ESO
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    FakeFox wrote: »
    Each staff should give a increase to damage of its element, so builds focus on one element instead of that weird mix we have now.
    Meanwhile, the only element not used by necromancy class skills is oblivion damage.
  • logarifmik
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    Yes
    The best defense is... destruction?
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  • Artim_X
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    No
    They used to be paperweights. At least now they provide utility for those who make use of them.
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    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
    • Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
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    • Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
    • PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
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    • Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
    • Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
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  • idk
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    While it would have made sense for Zos to create an actual magicka tanking weapon if they were actually serous about it and would have also made sense to leave the frost staff alone even though it has always been bad DPS, I doubt Zos will because it takes more work to create an actual weapon than to shoehorn a weapon to perform a different role.

    As such the frost staff is woefully inferior and as they say.
  • Irfind
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    How about slowdown and crit ? slow helps in PvP and crit in PvE ;)

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  • D0PAMINE
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    Don't care
    I backbar a Lightning Staff on my tank. A dps frost mage would be sick af tho.
    Edited by D0PAMINE on October 13, 2019 9:19PM
  • max_only
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    Yes
    A tank with a staff should be niche and specialized. Tanks don’t use staves in any rpg setting until this one and we only started using because Zos has nerfed tanks into the mud.

    Yes, I’m salty. They ruined tanking for me. Which I thought was impossible since I’m always the tank or healer in every mmo and not just in rpg settings. Yes even in FPS
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  • idk
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    Irfind wrote: »
    How about slowdown and crit ? slow helps in PvP and crit in PvE ;)

    Frost staff is still useful in PvP.
  • Jaraal
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    Damage shol is destroying ESO.

    Nerf damage shol!
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  • Recent
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    Yes
    Yes please. Ice staves are screaming to be used and it would be fun to have another option for dps
  • max_only
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    Yes
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Damage shol is destroying ESO.

    Nerf damage shol!

    Damage shoals
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  • D0PAMINE
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    Don't care
    max_only wrote: »
    A tank with a staff should be niche and specialized. Tanks don’t use staves in any rpg setting until this one and we only started using because Zos has nerfed tanks into the mud.

    Yes, I’m salty. They ruined tanking for me. Which I thought was impossible since I’m always the tank or healer in every mmo and not just in rpg settings. Yes even in FPS

    You can still double SnB. Xynode still does. I like having the option for a staff, but I wouldn't be forced to use it. I don't run a frost staff because it feels weird, but lightning feels nice to me. Just run your setup you like and you can still do any content with it.
  • ArchMikem
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    My Ice Mage wants this.
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  • Araneae6537
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    There's a number of players who like to have a magicka tanking option, so you'd have to propose a replacement, like an Alteration Staff.

    Personally, I enjoy the Ice Staff CC and tankiness in PVP, especially Battlegrounds in Flag and Land Grab matches.

    I agree, love having a magicka option to tank, but I think it should be separate from the staff type, maybe ability morph options and/or skill lines. I’d like lightning staff to be just as viable for tanking and frost staff to be just as viable for DPS.
  • LeHarrt91
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    Yes
    They could keep the Ice staff as a Tanking/ Defensive weapon and still make it used as a DPS Weapon. The Heavy Attack passive (Tri-Focus) can be the Tank one, with block passives etc. Move HA taunt to Elemental Susceptibility and add fracture, that way you still get the benefit of HA Taunt/ Resources but also have it on a skill tanks would use. Then make Ancient Knowledge 8% Crit or DoT Damage.
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  • Bekkael
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    What's damage shol? O_o
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  • Imryll
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    Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
    Actually, I'd be fine if it could be either a DPS or a tanking weapon based on the morphs chosen. No need to remove tanking options, but ice mages deserve support.
  • Pauls
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    I use frost staff on my healer when doing pledges with randoms. Having built in taunt is helpful when tank dies (happens rarely
    but still) and I need to keep boss away from squishy DDs while they ressing tank.
  • srfrogg23
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    Nah. Having a 3rd, completely different, option with frost gives destro staves more variety, imo. Before the change it was basically just a blue version of the inferno staves. Now it has a unique place in character builds.
  • Gandrhulf_Harbard
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    Yes
    Ice Staff should really be CC-based DOT damage for Soft/Off Tanks and Support DPS.

    But that would require some actual thought from the Devs.

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  • mikemacon
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    No
    Somber97866 wrote: »
    All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

    Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.
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    mikemacon wrote: »
    Somber97866 wrote: »
    All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.

    Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.

    So, like, more than half?
  • IndianaJames7
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    No
    Instead of changing the effect of each type of staffs themselves, why not change the Destro skill line passives, so that any type of staff can be used for tanking/healing/dps.

    Make it a 3 level passive. Rank 1 adds dps boost, rank 2 adds group duff/ target rebuff, rank 3 helps with taunt. In that order obviously so that newbies aren’t pulling aggro right off the bat by putting passives in the wrong place not knowing any better like unknowing dps currently are doing with ice stave taunt.
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