Concerning the use of gender-specific armor

rpa · October 2019

Reminds me the disappoint of not being able to wear bikini swimsuit top with Chua at Wildstar.

Girl_Number8 · October 2019

There are plenty of options to already have what you're asking for Op in the game already.

As a woman, I certainly don't want to hide my characters gender which has been done tastefully imo by Zos. It is a game at the end of the day but I am glad Zos did this right. Offering so many options to the players and especially us women with hella choices towards our fashion decisions through the outfit system !!

Just as they made houses and decorating off the charts, exotic mounts, the zones, and special weapon styles too.

The prices are way too high but Zos definitely put a lot of time into the crown store....So find what suits you because believe me it is already there, except the pet bat.

There are also plenty of websites and videos showing eso fashions. As well as, the in-game view at the outfit station, even if you don't have that style unlocked you can still see it. Good luck on designing your look.

idk · October 2019

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

This might be seen as low-effort, and I was gonna write an essay on the validity of gendered armor, but I don't have the time for it. So here's a TL;DR version of that.

I'm not gonna ask to change cloth-/leather-armor that necessitates different armor versions for men and women to cover up certain fEaTuReS, but honestly, can we get to see less of the tittyplate-trope? Some gender-neutral armor?

Preferably I'd like to see all heavy armor replaced with the gender-neutral male version with the flat chest, since any heavy armor worn has gambesons beneath, which make tittyshapes redundant, no matter how aesthetically pleasing they may or may not be. This wouldn't be a difficult task, logistically speaking, because the models for flat-chested armor already exist. You'd just have to make male versions of heavy armor appear on both male and female characters.

If gender-neutral armor is too big a request, I'd like to see male armor given codpieces and muscle cuirasses, to ensure equality in regards to sexualized armor.

Thoughts? Opinions? IMO it should be done.

I would suggest I do not like the idea of forcing a cosmetic change upon all players in the game which OP specifically state they want. I take no issue with an option for players but I prefer to avoid forced authoritarian suggestions as they clearly show a disregard for what others are interested in.

Maybe Zos can design a few motifs in line with what OP is interested and continue with every so many motifs add a new one along these lines. That would offer OP what they are wanting for themselves and permit everyone their own choice.

Nemesis7884 · October 2019

look for example at assass. creed odyssey...male and female armor look the same which was the reason why i chose a male...the female often looks like shes waering her fathers armor that is 2 sizes too big...

InvictusApollo · October 2019

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

This might be seen as low-effort, and I was gonna write an essay on the validity of gendered armor, but I don't have the time for it. So here's a TL;DR version of that.

I'm not gonna ask to change cloth-/leather-armor that necessitates different armor versions for men and women to cover up certain fEaTuReS, but honestly, can we get to see less of the tittyplate-trope? Some gender-neutral armor?

Preferably I'd like to see all heavy armor replaced with the gender-neutral male version with the flat chest, since any heavy armor worn has gambesons beneath, which make tittyshapes redundant, no matter how aesthetically pleasing they may or may not be. This wouldn't be a difficult task, logistically speaking, because the models for flat-chested armor already exist. You'd just have to make male versions of heavy armor appear on both male and female characters.

If gender-neutral armor is too big a request, I'd like to see male armor given codpieces and muscle cuirasses, to ensure equality in regards to sexualized armor.

Thoughts? Opinions? IMO it should be done.

There are already many "gender neutral" armor motifs. If you feel offended by "boobplates" then you can equip any of armors that already cover womanly assets.
If anything we could use more motifs that make our characters look more feminine and visually attractive.

SidraWillowsky · October 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

This might be seen as low-effort, and I was gonna write an essay on the validity of gendered armor, but I don't have the time for it. So here's a TL;DR version of that.

I'm not gonna ask to change cloth-/leather-armor that necessitates different armor versions for men and women to cover up certain fEaTuReS, but honestly, can we get to see less of the tittyplate-trope? Some gender-neutral armor?

Preferably I'd like to see all heavy armor replaced with the gender-neutral male version with the flat chest, since any heavy armor worn has gambesons beneath, which make tittyshapes redundant, no matter how aesthetically pleasing they may or may not be. This wouldn't be a difficult task, logistically speaking, because the models for flat-chested armor already exist. You'd just have to make male versions of heavy armor appear on both male and female characters.

If gender-neutral armor is too big a request, I'd like to see male armor given codpieces and muscle cuirasses, to ensure equality in regards to sexualized armor.

Thoughts? Opinions? IMO it should be done.

There are already many "gender neutral" armor motifs. If you feel offended by "boobplates" then you can equip any of armors that already cover womanly assets.
If anything we could use more motifs that make our characters look more feminine and visually attractive.

Nooooooo if you want boobs and battle heels look elsewhere; please don't turn ESO into.... that

InvictusApollo · October 2019

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SidraWillowsky wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

This might be seen as low-effort, and I was gonna write an essay on the validity of gendered armor, but I don't have the time for it. So here's a TL;DR version of that.

I'm not gonna ask to change cloth-/leather-armor that necessitates different armor versions for men and women to cover up certain fEaTuReS, but honestly, can we get to see less of the tittyplate-trope? Some gender-neutral armor?

Preferably I'd like to see all heavy armor replaced with the gender-neutral male version with the flat chest, since any heavy armor worn has gambesons beneath, which make tittyshapes redundant, no matter how aesthetically pleasing they may or may not be. This wouldn't be a difficult task, logistically speaking, because the models for flat-chested armor already exist. You'd just have to make male versions of heavy armor appear on both male and female characters.

If gender-neutral armor is too big a request, I'd like to see male armor given codpieces and muscle cuirasses, to ensure equality in regards to sexualized armor.

Thoughts? Opinions? IMO it should be done.

There are already many "gender neutral" armor motifs. If you feel offended by "boobplates" then you can equip any of armors that already cover womanly assets.
If anything we could use more motifs that make our characters look more feminine and visually attractive.

Nooooooo if you want boobs and battle heels look elsewhere; please don't turn ESO into.... that

How about we let people decide? After all it's people who pay for this game and keep it alive. There should be options and enough diversity for all, while keeping immersion and realism safe. ESO graphic artist have done an amazing job at providing just that. I have almost all styles unlocked and there are multiple options for everyone. Whether you want to make a visually stimulating female character or one that looks manly, you can do that - and much more.
I honestly don't see an issue here. This whole thread is basically trying to find a hole in the whole (nitpick).

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StormeReigns · October 2019

Non issue.

Nemesis7884 · October 2019

yes women hate feminine outfits and armors and are obviously not using them in game ^^

Mitrenga · October 2019

What's next, push-up bra armor?

MLGProPlayer · October 2019

logarifmik wrote: »

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It's not about SJ at all. It's about logic behind real so-called "heavy" armor.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but sexualised armour existed in real life too.

Muscle cuirasses were popular in ancient Greece and Rome where they accentuated the idealised male form (men were the sexualised gender back then). It didn't serve any functional purpose other than to look sexy.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2019

1) Can't believe people are complaining about the armor in this game, one of the least "skimpy" mainstream MMOs around.

2) But, really, the OP wasn't complaining about skimpy, he was complaining about "But Realism!™" against female-shaped armors even ones that are totally covering.

To which I reply - well, for one, it's useful/nice from a visual recognition standpoint to have male & female characters have some signs of "male" and "female" (even from a distance). Rather than everything being "shapeless tin can".

For two - "But Physics! Boobplate concentrates force on sternum! Boobplate slides blows into dangerous areas! Unrealism!" Sure. But so do Spikes Of Villainy, extraneous skulls, and all the other crap on 'fancy' armor. Additionally, "but Physics" is a stupid argument in the first place - if fantasy games were properly following physics, that dragon breath should burn all your cloth & hair while superheating your metal armor and melting it to your skin. And the blows being taken from anything larger than man-sized (trolls, giants, elephants, etc) should be transferring enough impulse through your armor to pulp your organs and shatter your spine. So "boobplate concentrates force on the sternum and kills you!" is meaningless as long as all those other things aren't instantly crushing your heart too.

Personally, I avoid-like-hell all the "dirty Medieval realism" games, because shapeless tin-can armor (along with all the other tripe they do in the name of Realism™) is just boring & ugly. I play Games, not Simulations. /shrug

waswar292 · October 2019

I agree with the OP.

Bulky, shapeless armor tends to be ugly as hell, with only some exceptions. Male characters should have the opportunity to use the more feminized, slender frames.

LizziAS · October 2019

Well if it's a fantasy game, why do they even have any gender in it or any sex?

Katheriah · October 2019

I only read the title but I just want to say that I also think we need more boobs in this game. Too many motifs and outfits that barely show any skin.

We need more skin. Ty.

BigBragg · October 2019

And cod pieces too, does that mean we get sliders? Now where is that eggplant emoji?

Dawnblade · October 2019

Add more options for all - but don't change existing items or force a homogeneous style to fit one group's ideal of how everyone should look.

Tsar_Gekkou · October 2019

I don't care if more gender-neutral armors are added as long as the more skimpy options aren't removed. This game is a work of fiction and people like to have options. As long as options aren't taken away, then whatever.

ArchMikem · October 2019

How is metal formed to the shape of breasts sexualized?

Watchdog · October 2019

I am a man. I like women, be it their forms, their voices, or their characters, so different from the male ones. And I plead guilty for liking 'em women more on the curvy side

, therefore, the vast majority of my 11 ESO female characters have their chest slider fully to the right, or near there. Alright, having done with the obligatory introductions and premises, let me say I am very happy ESO offers Outfit styles and Costumes of many varieties.

There are the quite revealing (yet not without a purpose) Costumes like Jelwi-ma (an Ohmes Khajiit, not a Bosmer, mind you) is wearing here:

There are the obvious boobplate Outfit styles like Elnaurwen of Lillandril is wearing here:

There are the really heavy armour Costumes (still a bit boobplate-y, yet apparently combat worthy) like Alyona al-Elinhir is wearing here:

There are the still quite femine but not overdone Outfit styles like Mabrienne is wearing here:

There are the quite unexaggerated Costumes like Miara Indoril (chest slider fully to the right) is wearing here:

There are the quite unexaggerated Outfit styles like Brandhildr Bear-Bane is wearing here:

I dare say anyone can find something they fancy, it may just not be the exact item or items they would prefer. Unless ZOS can make two versions of each, we simply have to choose those Costumes and Outfit styles that fit our idea of the fantasy we want to escape to from our real lives.

Mine just may be a tiny bit more curvy and revealing than the ideas of some other people, I will give you that.

nafensoriel · October 2019

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

This might be seen as low-effort, and I was gonna write an essay on the validity of gendered armor, but I don't have the time for it. So here's a TL;DR version of that.

I'm not gonna ask to change cloth-/leather-armor that necessitates different armor versions for men and women to cover up certain fEaTuReS, but honestly, can we get to see less of the tittyplate-trope? Some gender-neutral armor?

Preferably I'd like to see all heavy armor replaced with the gender-neutral male version with the flat chest, since any heavy armor worn has gambesons beneath, which make tittyshapes redundant, no matter how aesthetically pleasing they may or may not be. This wouldn't be a difficult task, logistically speaking, because the models for flat-chested armor already exist. You'd just have to make male versions of heavy armor appear on both male and female characters.

If gender-neutral armor is too big a request, I'd like to see male armor given codpieces and muscle cuirasses, to ensure equality in regards to sexualized armor.

Thoughts? Opinions? IMO it should be done.

ESO has some of the most "fantasy realistic" armor types in all gaming. It also reflects reality. I know very few women who want to wear men's clothing and very few men who want to wear women's clothing. Though I do know a dude who can absolutely wreck women in a dress.

We actually have several "gender-neutral" options. Just because a breast bump is visible doesn't mean it's not gender-neutral. A T-shirt is a T-shirt... and yes a busty woman wearing it will look different than a man.

The fact that history never had "boob armor" doesn't mean it would never have existed... just that historically women did not go into battle often enough to care about having their breasts smashed by a gambison or plate.

Cloudtrader · October 2019

I absolutely want to see more sexualized men's armor. It is an incredibly sexist double standard that there are only a few bits of male-specific armor in the game that emphasize skin or sexy characteristics for them. It would be nice to have more female armor that is more neutral, too.

Araneae6537 · October 2019

IMHO, ESO has the BEST armor options, being that you can make male or female characters realistically armored, well-protected or scantily clad, depending on your preference. By contrast, nearly every female armor option in GW2 had weird cut-outs or was downright bikini armor and heels!

I don’t mind such options being available, but having that the only option for females while the male versions look totally different is downright sexist. I’m glad that ESO has so many options in armor and costumes as well as other aspects of character customization!

Aurie · October 2019

I think ESO has the balance right (sorry, know that is not a good analogy at the moment).

It all starts at character creation....if you are female you can choose to emphasize various bits of your anatomy, or not. Not sure if males can exaggerate their codpieces, as my toons are all girlies. Any armour you care to sport will then take on the gender characteristics.....to an extent.

It looks a lot more realistic for fighting, which is what we do, than the Asian MMOs with their barely covered bodies.....no protection there lol.

Of course, being a girlie, that is why I wear Barbarian armour on most of my characters. It has the least body coverage available

SidraWillowsky · October 2019

ErinM31 wrote: »

IMHO, ESO has the BEST armor options, being that you can make make or female characters realistically armored, well-protected or scantily clad, depending on your preference. By contrast, nearly every female armor option in GW2 had weird cut-outs or was downright bikini armor and heels! I don’t mind such options being available, but having that the only option for females while the male versions look totally different is downright sexist. I’m glad that ESO has so many options in armor and costumes as well as other aspects of character customization!

[snip] battle heels. I don't know much about costumes so maybe they have heels as an option, but I'm SO glad that battle heels aren't a thing in ESO.

I DO appreciate the fact that this game lets me create female characters that can have small boobs and hips and no weird dainty running (Ciri in TW3 looks ridiculous when she runs, for example).

I'm here to shoot birds at you and maul you with my bear, not to break my ankles in battle heels.

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waswar292 · October 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ErinM31 wrote: »

IMHO, ESO has the BEST armor options, being that you can make make or female characters realistically armored, well-protected or scantily clad, depending on your preference. By contrast, nearly every female armor option in GW2 had weird cut-outs or was downright bikini armor and heels! I don’t mind such options being available, but having that the only option for females while the male versions look totally different is downright sexist. I’m glad that ESO has so many options in armor and costumes as well as other aspects of character customization!

[snip] battle heels. I don't know much about costumes so maybe they have heels as an option, but I'm SO glad that battle heels aren't a thing in ESO.

I DO appreciate the fact that this game lets me create female characters that can have small boobs and hips and no weird dainty running (Ciri in TW3 looks ridiculous when she runs, for example).

I'm here to shoot birds at you and maul you with my bear, not to break my ankles in battle heels.

The Alinor in Twilight costume dress has heels, but those are obviously quite tasteful and fitting considering that it's, well, a dress. They're quite short heels as well.

Honestly, if there was any redesign I'd be down for, it'd be a light armor design. The Sunspire set is astoundingly good, but most of the sets are mediocre at best; where are the damn robes!?

I don't understand why instead of giving the Dunmer the mongolian-inspired robes they had in Morrowind, they decided to go for some Warhammer-looking leather BDSM dresses for the Dunmer. I'm not even one that has a problem with slimmer pieces so long as they're not downright skimpy, but it's a shame that proper robes, which are increasingly becoming a thing of the past in MMO's, just keep disappearing. The Vengeance Day Dress which is supposedly Orcish greatly resembles one of the expensive robes from Morrowind.

In that regard, the Vengeance Day Dress shape-wise is a step in the right direction, but no colors look good on it, and those shoulder pieces become terribly deformed on certain characters, particularly males.

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logarifmik · October 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

iaminc wrote: »

Oh god , Please don’t bring the gender snowflake SJW mantra to ESO , it’s already ruining the planet enough.

It's not about SJ at all. It's about logic behind real so-called "heavy" armor.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but sexualised armour existed in real life too.

Muscle cuirasses were popular in ancient Greece and Rome where they accentuated the idealised male form (men were the sexualised gender back then). It didn't serve any functional purpose other than to look sexy.

Agreed, but not when it comes to functionality of European medieval armor, on which mostly fantasy armor with plate boobs is based. I think, that even if we assume, that women can be as much effective warriors in our fantasy world as some man was in Medieval times, I doubt, that those highly professional battle maidens will use armor of such a shape. Its just dangerous and ineffective, "less protective", and your life depends on it.

I don't know any historical examples of such "sexy" female antique armor, but good point, anyway.

Skitamine · October 2019

Are we talking realism in a game with shiny unrealistic mounts and dragons ?
I can't wear sexy skimpy stuff IRL, let me wear bikini armors in a fantasy game. Thank you.

MLGProPlayer · October 2019

Aurie wrote: »

It all starts at character creation....if you are female you can choose to emphasize various bits of your anatomy, or not. Not sure if males can exaggerate their codpieces, as my toons are all girlies. Any armour you care to sport will then take on the gender characteristics.....to an extent.

No crotch enhancement option I'm afraid. But due to this game's obsession with crotch flaps, you don't get to see the lack of bulge anyway.

I do wish you could give male characters bigger butts though. Even at max size, they still look emaciated.

ZOS_Ragnar · October 2019

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