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New Moon Acolyte - 5% not enough cost inc.
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The 5% increased cost is 50% of the seducer 5p bonus (and goes on ultimate too), so the wpn/spelldmg needs to be ~50% higher than on Hundings/Julianos, which it currently is. What's the freaking problem? Maths op?I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How is this even close to overpowered?
The increase weapon and spell damage is in line with other conditional 5-piece bonuses: 400-750..
The condition for the buff is extreme, and the calculations around it will likely be buggy and incorrect. If active abilities includes block, dodge, break free, it is a non-starter for pvp.
The benefit it gives you is dubious at best, because hybrids have never been that great.
BSW:
392 real SD or 496 effective SD (but 104 of that does not scale with buffs since it is from max magicka)
3.8% crit
NMA:
610 real SD
3.8% crit
1487 penetration (which means you don't need to allocate a single point into spell erosion)
If the 5% cost increase can be overcome fairly easily, this will be the BiS to pair with any trial set (especially something like FGD).
It all comes down to whether people can sustain a trial rotation at the current cost increase. If they can, this is the new meta. Looking forward to the tests in the coming weeks.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 19, 2019 3:15PM0 -
Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭For a crafted set the damage will have to come down or many sets in the game will be obsuleteDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Ozby✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Incidentally, there is an issue with the 5% cost increase, in that it's not, actually, 5%. Not sure exactly what's wrong, the modifiers are close-ish, but they're incorrect.
if its not working properly as for a fix not a nerf, otherwise youve tested nothing.PC NA
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I don't pve and I think it'll hurt over diversityDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »
So easy to pay a crafter.. I have never crafted a day in my life and wear 8/9 trait setsDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Show me the math. For sustained DPS is seems to be balanced with Julianos and Hundings, and for single target burst it’s no better than Spell Strat or BSW. Sustain is also looking like a struggle in U24 so I’m not sure the set is going to be useful even at 5% cost increase.7 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
So easy to pay a crafter.. I have never crafted a day in my life and wear 8/9 trait sets
Fair, but it is worth remembering, this set will not be in wide circulation.2 -
T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭I've done the math and I have done a few parses with this set as a body piece replacing Mother's Sorrow. It can be powerful, but only if you pair it with a sustain race like Bretons or Redguards. If you are able to fully sustain a rotation, then it should still end up coming out as slightly weaker than using a damage race with Mother's Sorrow.
I don't think it'll be the best set in all situations. I think it will be a powerful set to turn to that is both easy (relatively speaking) to obtain and flexible.10 -
sentientomega✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
So easy to pay a crafter.. I have never crafted a day in my life and wear 8/9 trait sets
Fair, but it is worth remembering, this set will not be in wide circulation.
To say nothing of which, there's a certain logic that mandates charging more for a more useful/higher trait requirement set.1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭One decent Thing about next patch apart from all the Crap we are about to get, and people just cant wait for the patch to drop before starting to make Nerf Threads.
All of the Nerf threads for this set, not one has given any evidence or a logical reason, why this set is over performing?
Ist it strong? Yes.
Is it OP? NO
There are other sets, which give you more or less same Damage values, without the added 5% cost increase to abilities, but no one seems to care about them. Rather than crying for nerf, how about Push ZOS to make useless sets viable for PVP or PVE.
Enough with these nerf threads.
The thing is that if people can sustain the 5% increase cost, sets like Julianos and Hunding Rage become useless...
Why would anyone craft Julianos/Hunding instead of this one? Maybe Devs should upgrade old sets. The point is to have options, not to give you 1 single crafted set that auto kill all the other dps crafted sets...2 -
Celestro✭✭✭Uh. For the people saying older sets will become obsolete, are you new and if you're not, what rock have you been living under? Sets that use to be go to or BiS are no longer such with the introduction of newer sets. That's an inevitability shown over the years. It is good to have diversity but for the purposes of what is the absolute best, there will always be one irrefutable set that's best.Edited by Celestro on September 21, 2019 10:42PM6
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭One decent Thing about next patch apart from all the Crap we are about to get, and people just cant wait for the patch to drop before starting to make Nerf Threads.
All of the Nerf threads for this set, not one has given any evidence or a logical reason, why this set is over performing?
Ist it strong? Yes.
Is it OP? NO
There are other sets, which give you more or less same Damage values, without the added 5% cost increase to abilities, but no one seems to care about them. Rather than crying for nerf, how about Push ZOS to make useless sets viable for PVP or PVE.
Enough with these nerf threads.
The thing is that if people can sustain the 5% increase cost, sets like Julianos and Hunding Rage become useless...
Why would anyone craft Julianos/Hunding instead of this one? Maybe Devs should upgrade old sets. The point is to have options, not to give you 1 single crafted set that auto kill all the other dps crafted sets...
There is a set rework coming...2 -
Calboy✭✭✭✭✭I love running recovery/ cost reduction sets and although this new set is interesting the 5% increase pains me as its essentially deleting a 5 piece bonus (acrobat). In saying that 5% probably isn't enough considering this boosts hybrids significantly even though a hybrid will have massive sustain issues in this set.
F it zos, just make hybrids properly viable.0 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope they ignore the community like they did with everything else.
It's time for a change. Just about every set they have introduced has been completely ignore in favor of old ones. We need some new flavors.
*This is coming from someone that spent hours farming a BSW inferno staff.4 -
ZarkingFrued✭✭✭✭✭
✭New moon acolyte’s penalty is too easily off set by sets like battlefield acrobat that apply cost reductions or sets that enhance resource generation. Which are exactly the kind of sets that would be paired with new moon acolyte even if it did not have a penalty. So, the penalty essentially doesn’t exist. It’s too much power for no cost. The penalty needs to be increased to point where it cannot be completely offset by cost reduction or resource regeneration sets.
Did you really evaluate that statement? Your saying this set requires you to run a regen set if you want to use it effectively, therefore it cannot be "OP".6 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Put more then 2 response because i fell it shouldn't be there at all - the 5% cost and you have a good set for all classes mag and stam dps = balance
I hope this is sarcasm, but I can’t expect much from ESO forum goers with their supremely high IQ.0 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »
So easy to pay a crafter.. I have never crafted a day in my life and wear 8/9 trait sets
They should make the set BoP
Problem solved.0 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭Posts like this lead me to believe there is actually an active, well organized Nerfing Guild on this forum.13 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Uh. For the people saying older sets will become obsolete, are you new and if you're not, what rock have you been living under? Sets that use to be go to or BiS are no longer such with the introduction of newer sets. That's an inevitability shown over the years. It is good to have diversity but for the purposes of what is the absolute best, there will always be one irrefutable set that's best.
Yeah but not for a crafted set. If it was a trial set or requiere a high end ultra rare material, it would be ok but, Literally anyone can craft this in less than 2 minutes.
This is too powerful (compare to other crafted sets) and too easy to get. There's not a equivalent relation between Difficulty and Reward.
You can be a new player, first character 160cp, get this set, pair it with an overland set and that's it... You are ready for everything. For a Casual point of view, this set will take out all the work of farming.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh. For the people saying older sets will become obsolete, are you new and if you're not, what rock have you been living under? Sets that use to be go to or BiS are no longer such with the introduction of newer sets. That's an inevitability shown over the years. It is good to have diversity but for the purposes of what is the absolute best, there will always be one irrefutable set that's best.
Yeah but not for a crafted set. If it was a trial set or requiere a high end ultra rare material, it would be ok but, Literally anyone can craft this in less than 2 minutes.
"Literally anyone..."
Really?
So, people who've never crafted gear in ESO can research 9 traits in 2 minutes, and have this set in their lap?
People who've never played ESO can craft this set?
People who don't understand how the crafting system works can come to grips in under 120 seconds.
Right.
Also, you're ignoring the part where ESO doesn't really tier their sets based on drop source. It's not like trial gear is the best in the game... it's not, some is good, but so are some crafted sets, some drop sets, and some dungeon sets.8 -
Celestro✭✭✭Well there is the possibility of paying someone to make the set for you but as T3hasiangod pointed out in a couple of posts above, its not the absolute best. And as stark said, not all trials sets are the best. Plenty of people still use overland and crafted sets for differing purposes.5
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't even bother trying to offset the "curse" of this kiss-curse, just run the set on everything and barely notice it.1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Don't even bother trying to offset the "curse" of this kiss-curse, just run the set on everything and barely notice it.
Not sure what content you’re referring to, but in trials there is a big difference between having Worm/Hircines or not, which is the same 5% difference in cost.4 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Canned_Apples, but if "literally anyone can craft [it]," why would anyone pay a crafter to do it for them? They'll just go make it for themselves, even though they don't have their research done, and don't have access to the zone.
Or maybe, this set isn't quite as easy to obtain as you'd claim, simply because you're throwing a fit over the idea that people will be able to gear up for endgame content without farming vSS and vCR.3
