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New Moon Acolyte - 5% not enough cost inc.
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »Don't even bother trying to offset the "curse" of this kiss-curse, just run the set on everything and barely notice it.
Not sure what content you’re referring to, but in trials there is a big difference between having Worm/Hircines or not, which is the same 5% difference in cost.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Uh. For the people saying older sets will become obsolete, are you new and if you're not, what rock have you been living under? Sets that use to be go to or BiS are no longer such with the introduction of newer sets. That's an inevitability shown over the years. It is good to have diversity but for the purposes of what is the absolute best, there will always be one irrefutable set that's best.
Yeah but not for a crafted set. If it was a trial set or requiere a high end ultra rare material, it would be ok but, Literally anyone can craft this in less than 2 minutes.
"Literally anyone..."
Really?
So, people who've never crafted gear in ESO can research 9 traits in 2 minutes, and have this set in their lap?
People who've never played ESO can craft this set?
People who don't understand how the crafting system works can come to grips in under 120 seconds.
Right.
Also, you're ignoring the part where ESO doesn't really tier their sets based on drop source. It's not like trial gear is the best in the game... it's not, some is good, but so are some crafted sets, some drop sets, and some dungeon sets.
I don't touch crafting with a 10 foot pole, yet I have Julianos, MA, TBS, and other crafted sets in my inventory. It's as easy as asking a crafter in one of your guilds to make it for you. Just supply the mats and throw in a tip if you want and 2 minutes later, you have the set.
Having said that, it's not looking like this set will be BiS so this whole discussion is moot.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 23, 2019 4:17AM3 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭@starkerealm think you're directing your hissy at the wrong person.
1. "literally" does not mean "everybody"
2. you'd pay them to get them to craft it for you (if you're not able to do it yourself) -I'd never go out of my way to craft a full set for a random- unless they paid/tipped
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sets way too strong.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This set is a better idea than all the proc sets that dealt mindless no effort dmg.
Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 23, 2019 4:31AM8 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭with the huge nerfs to sustain on top of this set, I see no reason why this should be increased. people can barely sustain a light attack rotation at ALL on pts, and that's without even using this.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer6 -
ebix_✭✭✭✭this set is good I can see lots of ppl gonna use it and some gonna evoid that high cost for backbar abilities by using it only on front bar ...
so I say put that 5% on 3set piece so they also feel the pain .. muhaaaahaaaaahaaaaa destroy every set, nerf everything ... don't let anyone enjoy anything muhaaaaaahaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaha
embrace your ZoS side, increase the cost to 300%
no but srsly it seems GMs have "combat log" and they are "monitoring" everything
so if many ppl use this set especially in pvp it's only a matter of time before they take a huge dump on it.. Edited by ebix_ on September 23, 2019 5:22AM2 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ah c'mon... You wanna make it useless like Molag Kena too?PC/DC/NAserver
V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk2 -
sentientomega✭✭✭One decent Thing about next patch apart from all the Crap we are about to get, and people just cant wait for the patch to drop before starting to make Nerf Threads.
All of the Nerf threads for this set, not one has given any evidence or a logical reason, why this set is over performing?
Ist it strong? Yes.
Is it OP? NO
There are other sets, which give you more or less same Damage values, without the added 5% cost increase to abilities, but no one seems to care about them. Rather than crying for nerf, how about Push ZOS to make useless sets viable for PVP or PVE.
Enough with these nerf threads.
The thing is that if people can sustain the 5% increase cost, sets like Julianos and Hunding Rage become useless...
Why would anyone craft Julianos/Hunding instead of this one? Maybe Devs should upgrade old sets. The point is to have options, not to give you 1 single crafted set that auto kill all the other dps crafted sets...
There is a set rework coming...
Oooh, I can't wait to see what happens to sets, they'll probably all be destroyed.
Unless, there's some indication they'll actually improve most, if not all of them, somehow?
Yes, hope springs eternal.Edited by sentientomega on September 23, 2019 5:27AM1 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Having actually tested it, what it's going to do is make relatively higher DPS numbers more attainable for people who would otherwise struggle. Put lots of CP into master at arms and staff expert, pair with Spell Strategist or even Queen's Elegance, and I think that clearing 30k is going to be much more doable even without a full-on rotation , which I consider a very good thing. But it also won't get you as high as sets that are harder to get, or more expensive-- Siroria, Mother's Sorrow, Spell Strat if you don't have it.
I'd say it's probably on par with sets like Briarheart, Leviathan, or Burning Spellweave- very solid sets but not really BiS. They pull solid DPS but not the BEST DPS. Don't worry, everyone else is going to have to suffer through 39384719 Sunspire runs like you did to get the BiS Lokke.2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
You're prob over the moon this patch with the fact magicka gonna be OP. Mag sorc can carry you again finally.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who think this set deserves a nerf are bad and should feel bad.
We finally get a set that isn't some stupid gimmicky procset and y'all want it nerfed before pts barely started. Pathetic.9 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who think this set deserves a nerf are bad and should feel bad.
We finally get a set that isn't some stupid gimmicky procset and y'all want it nerfed before pts barely started. Pathetic.
People cry about power creep.
Zos literally bring in stronger and stronger set lmao.
It gives dmg, pen, crit and then massive dmg lmao. Set gives 1.5k pen, 600 unbuffed wpn/ spell dmg and some crit. Yeah its strong af.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This set gives 0 resource bonuses. This set nerfs sustain.
It can be used by gangers but it allows for counterplay. You have time to stop the atk and make them waste their resoyrces. Proc sets did not allow much room for counterplay.
It is the best set Zos has come up ever. A true tool for theorycrafting that makes use of class ID and weapon choice for active combat.Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 23, 2019 5:54AM3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »This set gives 0 resource bonuses. This set nerfs sustain.
It can be used by gangers but it allows for counterplay, as opposed to what procs did.
Oh wow no resources and 5%, wow Ive changed my mind. Set is fine now.
I feel like you had a point in there somewhere. But 5% increased cost is like a heavy attack a minute in pvp?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »This set gives 0 resource bonuses. This set nerfs sustain.
It can be used by gangers but it allows for counterplay, as opposed to what procs did.
Oh wow no resources and 5%, wow Ive changed my mind. Set is fine now.
I feel like you had a point in there somewhere. But 5% increased cost is like a heavy attack a minute in pvp?
Git gud?1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »This set gives 0 resource bonuses. This set nerfs sustain.
It can be used by gangers but it allows for counterplay, as opposed to what procs did.
Oh wow no resources and 5%, wow Ive changed my mind. Set is fine now.
I feel like you had a point in there somewhere. But 5% increased cost is like a heavy attack a minute in pvp?
Git gud?
Getting told to git gud by george black lmao.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭According to math and thoughts from many forum threads, ZOS should change this SET TO:
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical and Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1487 Physical Penetration and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 500 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage.
Increase the cost of your active abilities by 8%.
WD and SD small buff and extra cost 8%
ROFL SHHHHHHHHH!!! I CANT WAIT TO CRAFT THIS ...I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THING!!!
I am going to try to run this with molag kena (i really hate how i have to double light attack...but as a magician...it should be easier.)0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who think this set deserves a nerf are bad and should feel bad.
We finally get a set that isn't some stupid gimmicky procset and y'all want it nerfed before pts barely started. Pathetic.
This. Because now access to decent DD set isn't locked behind XYZ dung runs. I don't know is it grief cause they had to run hundreds of times the same boring content to get that "BiS" set (which BTW haven't changed), or it's because they won't be able to sell those spell strategist pieces as easy, or they never bothered to learn crafting and now are mad that crafting won't be useless again.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge1 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »This set gives 0 resource bonuses. This set nerfs sustain.
It can be used by gangers but it allows for counterplay, as opposed to what procs did.
Oh wow no resources and 5%, wow Ive changed my mind. Set is fine now.
I feel like you had a point in there somewhere. But 5% increased cost is like a heavy attack a minute in pvp?
Git gud?
Getting told to git gud by george black lmao.
What else am I supposed to tell you.
You seperate the 5% cost function to prove your point, without including in the overall performance of the set the fact that it does not offer resource management options to keep a player hitting with power gained from the other bonuses.
Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 23, 2019 7:43AM3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
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PvEleepalmer95 wrote: »People who think this set deserves a nerf are bad and should feel bad.
We finally get a set that isn't some stupid gimmicky procset and y'all want it nerfed before pts barely started. Pathetic.
People cry about power creep.
Zos literally bring in stronger and stronger set lmao.
It gives dmg, pen, crit and then massive dmg lmao. Set gives 1.5k pen, 600 unbuffed wpn/ spell dmg and some crit. Yeah its strong af.
This video showcase very well that New Moon Acolyte isn´t as overperforming as people claim. It´s a situational set, which is more or less the case for mosts sets these days.
PvP
With DoT´s being nerfed to the ground, and healing being left untouched, we´re in for a "Tank META 2.0" on steroids (assuming ZOS doesn´t change too much from the initial PTS notes). And for once, ZOS gives us a set that can kinda counter this, that isn´t a stupid proc set, and that has noticable trade of (especially with the addition to numerous cost increase of a lot of other skills).
Set should stay as it is and make it to live.5 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
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PvEleepalmer95 wrote: »People who think this set deserves a nerf are bad and should feel bad.
We finally get a set that isn't some stupid gimmicky procset and y'all want it nerfed before pts barely started. Pathetic.
People cry about power creep.
Zos literally bring in stronger and stronger set lmao.
It gives dmg, pen, crit and then massive dmg lmao. Set gives 1.5k pen, 600 unbuffed wpn/ spell dmg and some crit. Yeah its strong af.
This video showcase very well that New Moon Acolyte isn´t as overperforming as people claim. It´s a situational set, which is more or less the case for mosts sets these days.
PvP
With DoT´s being nerfed to the ground, and healing being left untouched, we´re in for a "Tank META 2.0" on steroids (assuming ZOS doesn´t change too much from the initial PTS notes). And for once, ZOS gives us a set that can kinda counter this, that isn´t a stupid proc set, and that has noticable trade of (especially with the addition to numerous cost increase of a lot of other skills).
Set should stay as it is and make it to live.
I do wonder how NMA + PFGD parses versus MS + PFGD, but with a damage race (Altmer/Dunmer). You'd need a second piece of sustain (like absorb glyph) to make it work, but I'm wondering if it's stronger in that setting.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 23, 2019 8:44AM0 -
ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭One decent Thing about next patch apart from all the Crap we are about to get, and people just cant wait for the patch to drop before starting to make Nerf Threads.
All of the Nerf threads for this set, not one has given any evidence or a logical reason, why this set is over performing?
Ist it strong? Yes.
Is it OP? NO
There are other sets, which give you more or less same Damage values, without the added 5% cost increase to abilities, but no one seems to care about them. Rather than crying for nerf, how about Push ZOS to make useless sets viable for PVP or PVE.
Enough with these nerf threads.
The thing is that if people can sustain the 5% increase cost, sets like Julianos and Hunding Rage become useless...
Why would anyone craft Julianos/Hunding instead of this one? Maybe Devs should upgrade old sets. The point is to have options, not to give you 1 single crafted set that auto kill all the other dps crafted sets...
If you can sustain 5% increase without supplementing your sustain, then your original build was oversustaining and could have been more WD/SD dense.
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Centurionax✭✭✭According to math and thoughts from many forum threads, ZOS should change this SET TO:
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical and Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1487 Physical Penetration and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 500 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage.
Increase the cost of your active abilities by 8%.
WD and SD small buff and extra cost 8%
I dont get why exept for gankers anyone should use this, a cost reduction glyphe and acolyte is the same as julianos/hundigs with a spell/weapon dmg glyph may 20 points difrent3 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Uh. For the people saying older sets will become obsolete, are you new and if you're not, what rock have you been living under? Sets that use to be go to or BiS are no longer such with the introduction of newer sets. That's an inevitability shown over the years. It is good to have diversity but for the purposes of what is the absolute best, there will always be one irrefutable set that's best.
Yeah but not for a crafted set. If it was a trial set or requiere a high end ultra rare material, it would be ok but, Literally anyone can craft this in less than 2 minutes.
"Literally anyone..."
Really?
So, people who've never crafted gear in ESO can research 9 traits in 2 minutes, and have this set in their lap?
People who've never played ESO can craft this set?
People who don't understand how the crafting system works can come to grips in under 120 seconds.
Right.
Also, you're ignoring the part where ESO doesn't really tier their sets based on drop source. It's not like trial gear is the best in the game... it's not, some is good, but so are some crafted sets, some drop sets, and some dungeon sets.
Just ask a crafter and that's it... Anyone can get this in less than 2 minutes...0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Canned_Apples, but if "literally anyone can craft [it]," why would anyone pay a crafter to do it for them? They'll just go make it for themselves, even though they don't have their research done, and don't have access to the zone.
Or maybe, this set isn't quite as easy to obtain as you'd claim, simply because you're throwing a fit over the idea that people will be able to gear up for endgame content without farming vSS and vCR.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »@starkerealm think you're directing your hissy at the wrong person.
You're the wanted to defend the statement that, "literally anyone can craft [it]." With respect, it was a stupid statement, and you shouldn't have jumped to its defense.Canned_Apples wrote: »1. "literally" does not mean "everybody"
So, "literally anyone," does mean, "literally anyone."
"Literally," in case you're confused, means exactly as stated. So, in this case, yeah, it does in fact mean, "everyone can craft this set." Which, like I said, was stupid statement. You didn't need to try to defend @Chelo's position, and you shouldn't have.Canned_Apples wrote: »2. you'd pay them to get them to craft it for you (if you're not able to do it yourself) -I'd never go out of my way to craft a full set for a random- unless they paid/tipped
Which isn't relevant when the statement you were trying to defend was claiming that "all players could craft the set." A statement we both know is false. Once we've gotten past that it's false, it really doesn't matter that this set follows normal crafting rules, including being BoE, and will be available as custom orders to whoever wants to pay a 9 trait crafter.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just ask a crafter and that's it... Anyone can get this in less than 2 minutes...
I am a nine trait crafter. Hell, I'm a grandmaster.
However, it's going to take a bit more than two minutes for most people to get their hands on this set.
EDIT: The point is valid, this isn't going to be difficult to obtain, however, this isn't a set that fully invalidates older sets, even if that is the hot take a lot of people are chasing.Join a guild, ask a crafter... Done...
I've asked myself, and already crafted it on PTS. I'll probably ask myself again on live, if I care enough to.
To be honest, having tested it, I like this set, but it is a lot more niche than it looks at first glance.Edited by starkerealm on September 23, 2019 2:14PM4
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