runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.
Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
I can hear his brain working man.
And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
Most/if not all/ of them already gone...
Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Lol now you really are reaching for straws
Your crusade against animation cancelling/LA weaving is pointless. LA weaving won't be removed from the
game no matter what you try to blame it for. Might as well try to blame WWI on animation cancelling...
Lol
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..If you wanna slow the game down and be playing in cyro by yourself then ye lets remove ani cancel.
I almost fell asleep during that vid, too slow.
ALL the real players will leave if ani cancel gets removed as it will affect more than you understand.
Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.
Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
I can hear his brain working man.
And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
Most/if not all/ of them already gone...
That poll is from over a year ago. A more recent shows 57% favor them, at least in part.
More importantly, if most forums users don't play, wouldn't that invalidate the forums poll you're submitting to support your claim?
As i said ask ZoS for QA and see the resultsrunkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
You just love to make stuff up, don't you?
You dont lije the truth?
Is they saying it, not me.
Aks/blame them
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
"Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. "
And yet you are here to defend smth whos destined to go away...
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
"Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. "
And yet you are here to defend smth whos destined to go away...
There are, but are you gonna tell me that all of them are magically gonna dissapear the Moment Animation cancelling wont be a Thing anymore? Because newsflash that wont happen. Someone dedicated to cheat will cheat and not suddenly stop because one Thing doesnt work anymore. They might harm Server Performance but we dont know since we dont have any relevant data or statistics (unless you have those and are just not showing them?)
Animation cancelling is hardly destined to go away. Maybe in your world it is but Zos dubbed it a feature and as Long as this stance doesnt Change its not destined to go away as easy as that. And no its also not an exploit as you or others with your stance like to suggest since it cant be a feature and an exploit at the same time, These are mutually exclusive and since its a feature guess what it is not?
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Dude, it's already been shown that the largest portion of the game's population plays on the two Consoles (PS4/XBox), and the forums are primarily PC users. You can't claim that a poll placed on the forums, with a terrible participating sample size relative to the entire population mind you, is in any way a reflection of the desires of the whole community. Come on now...
Littlebluelizard wrote: »Profile pic checks out.
Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BMrunkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI
you dont need to remove anyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM
and there are many more with even more ppl
so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance
Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI
you dont need to remove anyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM
and there are many more with even more ppl
so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance
Yeah great idea just make all calculations clientside again what could possibly go wrong???!??!
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
bots will come back
in numbers.
sadly
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI
you dont need to remove anyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM
and there are many more with even more ppl
so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance
here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
MehrunesFlagon wrote: »here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
Sypher La weaves and believe it is present in that very video.
MehrunesFlagon wrote: »here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
Sypher La weaves and believe it is present in that very video.
hell no you can see almost every LA he's doing in the video, plz don't spread lies.
I think OP is trying to oversimplify the server performance issue to fit their dislike for AC.
Fact. Server performance is due to overall load. So when we get a lot of players together using various skills and such there are more calculations. This has been amplified by the number of buffs and debuffs along with other % modifiers we use increase the number of calculations which further increase that server load.
This is why when you are off with a small group the performance is significantly better.
So to suggest getting rid of AC will magically solve the performance in Cyrodiil just shows a lack of understanding of what all goes into that server load.
since LA is used with almost every skill in pvp (bash too for stam build) i'm pretty sure that fixing this animation cancelling bug will improve performance.
Less variables to calculate are always good to take.
I do not think Zos is going to get rid of basic attacks, which is exactly what you are suggesting without a doubt. Further, I do not think Zos is going to redesign combat so that blocking, roll dodging and bashing for interrupts is not required as it is now. And yes, it would require a redesign for that change.
This thread seems to be nothing more than a thinly veiled get rid of AC thread. It is pretty obvious. Zos is not going to do so.
Not get rid of basic attacks, just fix them to what they should be.
Eveyone who started playing this game didn't weave or anim cancel by bar swaping, because this isn't a natural or logic mechanic.
Let's just say it loud and clear it's a bug and should be fixed.
I don't know if ZoS care about those players that only pvp in cyrodiil, never buy a dlc or expansion or the new ones that are confused by this broken mechanic that they moved aways from the game.
ZoS if you want to get money fix those little things that are bugged since launch to get a true return on investment.
Veteran players (especially pvper) don't pay anymore for the game, new ones will do but you need to take care of those bugs before.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.
Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
I can hear his brain working man.
And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
Most/if not all/ of them already gone...
Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.
Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
I can hear his brain working man.
And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
Most/if not all/ of them already gone...
Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.
No ppl will leave if zos remove a/c
They will just start play legit.
SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »source for that claim?
Dont need a source you can test it yourself.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Sanguinor2 wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Hes not alone in this crusade.
Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
Dont act like you are majority.
Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..
Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.
Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
I can hear his brain working man.
And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
Most/if not all/ of them already gone...
Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.
So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?
Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.
No ppl will leave if zos remove a/c
They will just start play legit.
r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »source for that claim?
Dont need a source you can test it yourself.
So, you tested this yourself? You have concrete, irrefutable proof / evidence that it's light attack weaving. You had the entire server in the PVP campaign all light attacking at a keep and recorded the fps performance and then had the entire server in the same campaign all stop light attack weaving and measure fps performance and collected a non trivial set of data points to prove it? Let's see it....
here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI
you dont need to remove anyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM
and there are many more with even more ppl
so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance
The Uninvited wrote: »here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
Complains about weaving and animation cancelling, shows video of how it should be. A video FULL OF WEAVING AND ANIMATION CANCELLING!
The Uninvited wrote: »here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.
More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into
thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESOhttps://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM
Complains about weaving and animation cancelling, shows video of how it should be. A video FULL OF WEAVING AND ANIMATION CANCELLING!
I guess you the video speed at 2x because there is no weaving there.
You can see the full LA animation, nothing cancelled by skills.
Combat were more tactic and fun than this macro fest combat exploiting a non fixed bug