Cyrodiil server performance is realated to animation cancelling/LA weaving

  • NoodleESO
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    Cyrodiil server performance is related to players being in Cyrodiil prove me wrong
  • Stebarnz
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    Sanguinor2 wrote: »

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.

    Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.

    Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
    I can hear his brain working man.
    And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
    Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
    Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
    And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
    Most/if not all/ of them already gone...

    Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.

    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.
  • NoodleESO
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    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance
    Edited by NoodleESO on September 20, 2019 8:41PM
  • bearbelly
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    Lol now you really are reaching for straws

    Your crusade against animation cancelling/LA weaving is pointless. LA weaving won't be removed from the
    game no matter what you try to blame it for. Might as well try to blame WWI on animation cancelling...
    Lol

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    Stebarnz wrote: »
    If you wanna slow the game down and be playing in cyro by yourself then ye lets remove ani cancel.

    I almost fell asleep during that vid, too slow.

    ALL the real players will leave if ani cancel gets removed as it will affect more than you understand.

    Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.

    Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
    I can hear his brain working man.
    And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
    Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
    Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
    And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
    Most/if not all/ of them already gone...

    That poll is from over a year ago. A more recent shows 57% favor them, at least in part.

    More importantly, if most forums users don't play, wouldn't that invalidate the forums poll you're submitting to support your claim?

    As i said ask ZoS for QA and see the results
    bearbelly wrote: »
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    You just love to make stuff up, don't you?

    You dont lije the truth?
    Is they saying it, not me.
    Aks/blame them

    WTF are you on about? You're making a huge generalization based on something a handful of angry brats have said and presenting it as a fact as though it applies to the entire forum community.



    Edited by bearbelly on September 20, 2019 9:02PM
  • Sanguinor2
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    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    "Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. "

    And yet you are here to defend smth whos destined to go away...

    There are, but are you gonna tell me that all of them are magically gonna dissapear the Moment Animation cancelling wont be a Thing anymore? Because newsflash that wont happen. Someone dedicated to cheat will cheat and not suddenly stop because one Thing doesnt work anymore. They might harm Server Performance but we dont know since we dont have any relevant data or statistics (unless you have those and are just not showing them?)

    Animation cancelling is hardly destined to go away. Maybe in your world it is but Zos dubbed it a feature and as Long as this stance doesnt Change its not destined to go away as easy as that. And no its also not an exploit as you or others with your stance like to suggest since it cant be a feature and an exploit at the same time, These are mutually exclusive and since its a feature guess what it is not?
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    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..


    Dude, it's already been shown that the largest portion of the game's population plays on the two Consoles (PS4/XBox), and the forums are primarily PC users. You can't claim that a poll placed on the forums, with a terrible participating sample size relative to the entire population mind you, is in any way a reflection of the desires of the whole community. Come on now...
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  • Runkorko
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    Sanguinor2 wrote: »

    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    "Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. "

    And yet you are here to defend smth whos destined to go away...

    There are, but are you gonna tell me that all of them are magically gonna dissapear the Moment Animation cancelling wont be a Thing anymore? Because newsflash that wont happen. Someone dedicated to cheat will cheat and not suddenly stop because one Thing doesnt work anymore. They might harm Server Performance but we dont know since we dont have any relevant data or statistics (unless you have those and are just not showing them?)

    Animation cancelling is hardly destined to go away. Maybe in your world it is but Zos dubbed it a feature and as Long as this stance doesnt Change its not destined to go away as easy as that. And no its also not an exploit as you or others with your stance like to suggest since it cant be a feature and an exploit at the same time, These are mutually exclusive and since its a feature guess what it is not?

    In fact i hope they wont.
    So we wont lose population. I dont want them to go.
    Even if theu use cheats wont be that obvious, and game breaking like now.
    Nearly legal even.
    You know the bots in Crag i belive?
    its like zos ban them. Then they figure how to make bots invisible. So we all know they are there, but we dont see them. And they bother us less.
    I play alot. I can see do a person use script or not just seeing how he move or how fast he combo.
    Its a curse, not a gift.
    And seeing no one do a sn..t to counter such cheater hurts even more.
  • Runkorko
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    p00tx wrote: »

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..


    Dude, it's already been shown that the largest portion of the game's population plays on the two Consoles (PS4/XBox), and the forums are primarily PC users. You can't claim that a poll placed on the forums, with a terrible participating sample size relative to the entire population mind you, is in any way a reflection of the desires of the whole community. Come on now...

    Wont agree with you here.
    Lets all ask ZoS to include this yes or no to a/c in their next QA.
    Then if we "lose" i`l simply leave.
    But till then i`l make/participate in such threads again and again.
    Same as you.
  • goldenflameslinger
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    Profile pic checks out.

    Took me a second but best comment of the day...you win.
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  • Rungar
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    been saying this forever.
  • Runkorko
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    NoodleESO wrote: »
    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

    you dont need to remove anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

    and there are many more with even more ppl

    so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance
  • DaNnYtHePcFrEaK
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    Light attack weaving is worse than H!tl3r!
    Edited by DaNnYtHePcFrEaK on September 20, 2019 8:56PM
  • Sanguinor2
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    NoodleESO wrote: »
    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

    you dont need to remove anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

    and there are many more with even more ppl

    so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance

    Yeah great idea just make all calculations clientside again what could possibly go wrong???!??!
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  • Runkorko
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    Sanguinor2 wrote: »
    NoodleESO wrote: »
    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

    you dont need to remove anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

    and there are many more with even more ppl

    so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance

    Yeah great idea just make all calculations clientside again what could possibly go wrong???!??!

    bots will come back
    in numbers.
    sadly
  • Sanguinor2
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    bots will come back
    in numbers.
    sadly

    Im not concerned About bots, Im concered About cheat engine etc. coming back when Nothing goes through a Serverside check. Seriously look up zazeer, that was "fun" times, well as fun as being drowned by Meteors from flying, invincible Players can be.
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  • IAVITNI
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    just remove PvP from the game. Less PvP'ers means less lag.
  • Delparis
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    NoodleESO wrote: »
    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

    you dont need to remove anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

    and there are many more with even more ppl

    so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance

    those were the good old days where you can fight in huge scale battle without the game turn into a slideshow.
    Just fix the animation cancelling and LA weaving bug and you'll see kinda of battle again with a framerate of 60 fps.
    You can't have the butter and the money of the butter in ESO, get rid of this bug and improve the game
  • MehrunesFlagon
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    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Sypher La weaves and believe it is present in that very video.
  • Delparis
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    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Sypher La weaves and believe it is present in that very video.

    hell no you can see almost every LA he's doing in the video, plz don't spread lies.
  • MehrunesFlagon
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    Delparis wrote: »
    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Sypher La weaves and believe it is present in that very video.

    hell no you can see almost every LA he's doing in the video, plz don't spread lies.

    When you light attack weave you can still see the light attack.
  • idk
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    Delparis wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    Delparis wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    I think OP is trying to oversimplify the server performance issue to fit their dislike for AC.

    Fact. Server performance is due to overall load. So when we get a lot of players together using various skills and such there are more calculations. This has been amplified by the number of buffs and debuffs along with other % modifiers we use increase the number of calculations which further increase that server load.

    This is why when you are off with a small group the performance is significantly better.

    So to suggest getting rid of AC will magically solve the performance in Cyrodiil just shows a lack of understanding of what all goes into that server load.

    since LA is used with almost every skill in pvp (bash too for stam build) i'm pretty sure that fixing this animation cancelling bug will improve performance.

    Less variables to calculate are always good to take.

    I do not think Zos is going to get rid of basic attacks, which is exactly what you are suggesting without a doubt. Further, I do not think Zos is going to redesign combat so that blocking, roll dodging and bashing for interrupts is not required as it is now. And yes, it would require a redesign for that change.

    This thread seems to be nothing more than a thinly veiled get rid of AC thread. It is pretty obvious. Zos is not going to do so.

    Not get rid of basic attacks, just fix them to what they should be.
    Eveyone who started playing this game didn't weave or anim cancel by bar swaping, because this isn't a natural or logic mechanic.
    Let's just say it loud and clear it's a bug and should be fixed.

    I don't know if ZoS care about those players that only pvp in cyrodiil, never buy a dlc or expansion or the new ones that are confused by this broken mechanic that they moved aways from the game.

    ZoS if you want to get money fix those little things that are bugged since launch to get a true return on investment.
    Veteran players (especially pvper) don't pay anymore for the game, new ones will do but you need to take care of those bugs before.

    1. basic attacks are what they should be. It is you that wants them to be something different. Lets not twist things here.
    2. If they are not buying DLCs or anything else why should Zos care much about them? Very poor point being made.
    3. Not liking the performance in Cyrodiil is pretty irrelevant to not liking the PvE. Besides that, I am pretty sure the business people at Zos are much more aware of what really goes on with the revenue than both of us put together.
  • Runkorko
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    Stebarnz wrote: »
    Sanguinor2 wrote: »

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.

    Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.

    Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
    I can hear his brain working man.
    And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
    Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
    Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
    And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
    Most/if not all/ of them already gone...

    Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.

    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.

    No ppl will leave if zos remove a/c
    They will just start play legit.
  • Siohwenoeht
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    Stebarnz wrote: »
    Sanguinor2 wrote: »

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.

    Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.

    Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
    I can hear his brain working man.
    And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
    Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
    Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
    And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
    Most/if not all/ of them already gone...

    Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.

    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.

    No ppl will leave if zos remove a/c
    They will just start play legit.

    Right... The combat system including weaving/ac is what many people, including myself, enjoy most about ESO. I'd uninstall the minute they take the skill out of combat and turn it into WoW snail style.
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  • Numerikuu
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    Delparis wrote: »
    source for that claim?

    Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

    The onus is on you to provide the source or proof since you're the one making the claims.
  • Stebarnz
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    Stebarnz wrote: »
    Sanguinor2 wrote: »

    Hes not alone in this crusade.
    Ask ZoS for QA and see the results.
    Even now we have 43vs47% on the forums. and we all know that most ppl who are against A/C dont even visit the forums.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400620/do-you-want-zos-to-fix-animation-cancelling/p1
    Dont act like you are majority.
    Yes you are, in forums. You can keep A/C here, we dont mind.
    Most of the forum users dont even play EsO so yea ..

    Since someone has to do this everywhere a poll gets used for something I might aswell be the one to tell you: This poll is completely irrelevant. Forum Population is already Pretty small compared to game Population and the amount of Forum People caring to vote About this is even smaller. Also sample size is way too small to draw any relevant conclusions beyond X People voted Y so yeah. And you have no way of knowing how the majority of People see it that dont frequent the Forums unless you got Zos statistics somehow.

    Just for the records, Cyro was way more populated then.

    Because game play was too slow and boring thats why Sypher is sweaty...
    I can hear his brain working man.
    And trust me, even now he can beat me, you and most of the pvp players we have atm.
    Just admit that if pvp require brain work you will need to give up... (or woke up your brain and have actual fun)
    Its more easy to spam 3 keys and die or win i agree.
    And why the heck you mean by REAL players will leave?
    Most/if not all/ of them already gone...

    Wanna know why cyro was more populated then? It was because the Servers actually supported a larger Population since very much was done clientside instead of serverside. Remember Zazeer? That was a not so Pleasant side effect of Clientside calculations. Lighting patch also happened and the rest is history. So yeah LA weaving/Animation cancelling played barely any part in that.

    So you want to tell me there are no macro and script users and Cyro and they /as a/c spam/ dont harm server performance?

    Remove ani cancel they will still be there just 50% less population.

    No ppl will leave if zos remove a/c
    They will just start play legit.

    hahaha, sir, you are deluded and live on some kind of mind cloud where things happen different to the reality the rest of us live in.

    Also ani cancelling is not playing 'legit' another hahaha! next time im in the middle of a channel and I see a big attack coming in I wont block to cancel it ill just let the one shot happen! MONG!
    Edited by Stebarnz on September 20, 2019 10:10PM
  • MehrunesFlagon
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    Delparis wrote: »
    source for that claim?

    Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

    So, you tested this yourself? You have concrete, irrefutable proof / evidence that it's light attack weaving. You had the entire server in the PVP campaign all light attacking at a keep and recorded the fps performance and then had the entire server in the same campaign all stop light attack weaving and measure fps performance and collected a non trivial set of data points to prove it? Let's see it....

    ZOS needs to add a ridiculous button.
  • The Uninvited
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    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Complains about weaving and animation cancelling, shows video of how it should be. A video FULL OF WEAVING AND ANIMATION CANCELLING!
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  • Red_Feather
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    NoodleESO wrote: »
    Remove players in Cyrodiil to improve Cyrodiil performance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

    you dont need to remove anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

    and there are many more with even more ppl

    so as you can see not the population is in the core of cyro performance

    Proof because people didn't animation cancel back then.
  • Delparis
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    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Complains about weaving and animation cancelling, shows video of how it should be. A video FULL OF WEAVING AND ANIMATION CANCELLING!

    I guess you the video speed at 2x because there is no weaving there.
    You can see the full LA animation, nothing cancelled by skills.
    Combat were more tactic and fun than this macro fest combat exploiting a non fixed bug
  • Stebarnz
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    Delparis wrote: »
    Delparis wrote: »
    here a video how combat looked like before LA weaving and animation cancelling bug discovery.

    More natural combat, more tactical and more fluid, not the mess that combat turned into

    thanks to @runkorkoeb17_ESO

    https://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

    Complains about weaving and animation cancelling, shows video of how it should be. A video FULL OF WEAVING AND ANIMATION CANCELLING!

    I guess you the video speed at 2x because there is no weaving there.
    You can see the full LA animation, nothing cancelled by skills.
    Combat were more tactic and fun than this macro fest combat exploiting a non fixed bug

    Lets get one thing straight here, you think animation cancelling is the cancelling of the light attack animation with skills?
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