Copy pasted this from another thread from PTS. changed some wording and added more.

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The skills don't interact at all. We also want more damage options, which is why i designed this proc skill idea yesterday to show what we could achieve:

note that this skill would work best if Dive had a reverse proc and if arctic wind gets a duration increase like we want.

if anyone is confused about this idea, it is designed to be a PvP and PvE proc skill. It fires a line travelling line AoE "frost tornado". it will probably be around 5-6m in radius that travels moderately fast. my idea is probably 10 meters per 0.3 seconds something like that. it would probably disappear after 28 meters, dealing damage equivalent to a "spammable" or slightly less, to all who it passes through. It will stun off balance enemies, which obviously, our Cliff Racer now creates. As the skill works similarly to how Deep Fissure works it would have synergy with our 2 main burst damage skills.

You may not like the skill idea. which is fine. You could have critiques or things you would change, but i believe this is a possible way to solve multiple prominent pain points all at once. I also was bored since we are going to be waiting for either a week to 2 and a half months to another year for any more possible changes and thought this would be a really cool and unique idea.

"Multiple prominent Pain points" are:
fulfilling synergy, giving more damage skill options for both PvP and PvE, Giving more frost damage skills and giving a fun, unique and good stun.

Daemonai wrote: »

I like the changes to Arctic Wind and its morphs.

I already use the ability heavily on my HP Warden. The potential to now deal frost damage (and possibly proc Minor Maim) and stun (multiple) attackers who get too close is just icing.

I worry that suggestions to further increase the DPS or ancillary effects of this ability might compromise its healing strength, which I cannot support. Arctic Wind is first and foremost a tank healing ability, similar to Death Scythe and Dragon Blood, and it needs to stay that way.

Further buffs to this skill might push it into the "needs to be looked at" zone, and I don't think anyone wants to see that.
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I believe compromising the healing strength of the morph is fine. You guys already have a fantastic morph in Polar wind which also recieved the damage, and you have an AoE root for lockdown too in Gripping Shards. I believe this morph needs to lose it's healing for a more potent damage and stun effect. We have been asking for more damage skills for a long time. Tanks don't need several morphs (where one of which fulfills the same function as another tank skill on the class) when we have only 4 damage skills to chose from that don't synergise together.

I've updated the idea for the skill. Have a look.



The changes I made were based on feedback.

edit: i've recieved more feedback. i'll update the stats above the description to help people better understand the skill.

Delparis wrote: »

Congrat to warden community, you got really good buffs with the upcoming patch.
Hope you won't get nerfed to bottom like templar.

it looks like we got really good buffs. and some of them certainly help us. however i'd argue that they don't help us in the right areas and will make people think we are overpowered. the things i'm looking at are Betty and Permafrost which while buffed significantly, never needed the help while other skills did. Swarm did need help, but it was given something that bandaids our class's poor performance even more. "raw damage" boosts. then there's arctic blast which people think is overpowered because it sounds amazing on paper. Test it first, or test something similar first. I've worked with skills that are similar in the past and immediately thought this skill was going to be unreliable (skill i tested was inner light)

this should be the final edit, i noticed that people were confused about the tornado's interaction with off balance. some people thought that it gave off balance. so i remade it to clear that up.

fierackas wrote: »

No idea why this thread is on page 3 after the latest *** changes!

The patch notes from last night contained great changes for Warden. There's less passive slotting nonsense on northern storm and they finally made permafrost more reasonable. It was completely overtuned on 5.2.0

So basically arctic blast and SCR will be made functional next Wednesday or they wont be at all.
Im sure you guys have heard this plenty of times but the current pts versions are not useable in the slightest.

Fighting for range to get the in the off balance and increased damage spammable conditions on a class that has no real snare and root immunity in its kits feels frustrating and does not in anyway synergize with the close to mid range playstyle this class promotes with the 10m range on northern storm and the 20m range on fissure. This is not even taking into consideration the cost increase and damage increase nerfs the spammable underwent this pts cycle or the awkward projectile delay this skill has suffered from since summerset that drastically hurts it ability to be used as a quick jab to finish off targets like any other spammable (especially important on a class with no execute). SCR is too fast to be used with fissure and too slow to be used as a spammable. Furthermore its secondary effects do not synergize with the class at all.

Then arctic blast requires that you stay within 6m for 3 ticks of damage during the 5s of the hot effect... this abysmally small effect -43.75% the size blast was in Vvardenfell of course also radiated from the location of your character instead of off its model so its become useless in pursuit as it fires off behind the character. this does not including the initial cast of course as the damage doesn't start until a second later because why wouldn't it Arctic Blast has too short of a radius and too short of a duration to be used as a reliable stun.

Its all so confusing. Is magden a range subclass or a melee one? The spammable and stun are currently actually contradicting each other which is a problem I don't believe any other class has to deal with. Awkwardness of the skills aside, why does magden have worse morphs of flies and dive than stamden now? Is it not bad enough that magden has worse weapon abilities than stamden but now they are fated to have worse class skills too? You guys really missed the mark. Magden really needed a reliable class spammable and stun that somewhat synergized with its playstyle and some utility unique to the subclass. However, what it got was too frustrating skills that both fail to synergize with the rest of its toolkit while its stamina counterpart which was already superior gain real buffs in the form of a stacking spammable bleed which is better than more damage at range and an aoe swarm which is better than empowered swarm when used on two nearby targets and scales up from there without having to deal with the frustrating double cast mechanic fetcher infection has. Magdens skills feel gimmicky, complicated, and do not tie into a synergized playstyle as it feels like each of its offensive skills was randomly taken from a different class.

What's funny is that you guys actually summed this up perfectly in your article of Class Identity but did not apply it to your reworks to magden "Custom requirements can be very effective for creating a unique feel for an ability, but can also easily wander into territory where they feel too gimmicky, unnecessarily complex compared to abilities with similar effect behaviors, or misaligned with the power fantasy of the character. Successful ability design demands a healthy relationship between the triggering method and effect behavior."

Hi,

Ty for taking feedback.

Magdens need a dps buff in PvP

1. Spammables - The recent changes to Destructive Touch were a really hard nerf to magden. The 40m range morph Destructive Reach should be the pvp morph and proc stun/cc, while Destructive Clench at short range should be the pve/dps/brawler morph providing the added DoT. However currently these are exactly visa versa. The loss of stun/cc at range (eg using master's staff) was a huge nerf to pvp magdens. RIP ice warden....
In parallel, Screaming Cliff Racer is about to get a 10% nerf (why?!?) in the next patch, without any added effect like the added bleed coming to the stam morph. While yes, birds will gain an 'off balance' proc at range, overall off balance is weak/pointless in pvp. Undodgeable/snare/buff would all help.
Also, there is no execute available to magica warden. (outside of double slotted laggy bear)


2. Stuns - while the pts patch notes call the stun on Arctic Wind "awkward" I strongly disagree, this is an excellent pvp skill, providing a range stun and great self heals. I love it. The upcomming changes will become a 6m aoe (tiny!!!!) dot that only procs stun after 3 tics. Loss of a class ability range stun is going to be a really hard nerf to pvp magden.


Overall, magden is a very fun class, my personal pvp favorite, however the dps is currently lacking, and only getting more nerfs upcomming


Thank you

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_Ahala_ wrote: »

Furthermore if you look at Wardens as guardians of the forest with close connections to Y’ffre as described in the in game lorebook “Who are the Wardens” by Lady Cinnabar of Taneth then the element of frost makes absolutely no sense as the main elements used in Y’ffre’s stories according to in game spinner Girnalin and the lorebook “Of Jophre” are plants, animals, and water (as in oceans, rivers, and streams... not ice)

Water and Ice are the same Ice is the solid version of it and would be better in combat scenarios.

Still weird that they have ice it should have been another plant skill line, based on trees/wood protecting or tanking

Yeah, I guess ice is close enough as it is still water but I’ve never seen Y’ffre associated with frost or cold anywhere in lore while explicitly said to have taught the oceans waves to crash and to be able to see anything that happens within a range of any body of water... water would have fit better in with the themes plants and animals and service to Y’ffre but their is probably no saving the themes of the class anyways when animal companions is alien Morrowind themed creatures for the most part...

As far as a another plant skill line, their are interesting stories of a chaotic time in elder scrolls lore where animals and plants kept interchanging forms so an animal plant hybrid line would have been interesting (think wild hunt mounts and spriggans) “definitely not Lurchers though cause they are a corruption of the green”

Not a lot of Y'ffre followers among the Dunmer either, I'd wager. Yet, Warden was a Morrowind release. More inconsistent is the use of Shalks and Fetcher Flies outside of a Morrowind-dwelling Dunmer. Even if for sake of argument, another race would follow Y'ffre, wouldn't they be granted animal summons in keeping with the flora and fauna of that race's homeland? It would be great if they gave us the option of reskinning the animals to be more thematic, like they do with the Grey/Brown bear options.

Have you guys tested stamden on the pve DPS department? How are we looking this patch?

Also, are we stilll top tier for pvp?

How is it even possible to get so much but so little at the same time...

This really incentivizes using frost damage... interesting

I like how zos nerfed the already extinct magden spammable to make up for the fact that stamden got a buff to their morph... very cool

Why did you punish solo bow/bow players so badly .
Drain shot may have been not a favorite of group or pvp players , but it was essential to bow/bow solo players .
It gave sustain and interrupt which are both required for bow/bow solo play