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Tired of "fake tanks" in random queues
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »LadySinflower wrote: »I think this is a legit question then. You don't like fake tanks, healers, or DDs, right? Ok then, what is the inexperienced or low level player supposed to do? They do not know how to do the specific roles of tank or healer, but the game requires you to pick a role. They don't do much in the way of damage but queuing as a support role you don't know how to do is out of the question. So the only option left is DPS. Not everyone starts with high CP, great gear, and a lethal rotation. So would you suggest those people just stay out of dungeons altogether? Then how would anybody learn? And please don't say to get in a guild and make groups. Nobody should have to do that just to be able to play one of the main parts of the game. At CP640 I've done relatively few dungeons and don't know how I would perform as a DPS. But I know I don't qualify to tank or heal. I'm not the only one who has no idea what you expect inexperienced players to do, when you complain about "fakers" in all roles.
We dont speak about NEW players. Or players who cant play properly their roles. I dont mind such players. I even help them. With advice, or just ingame support. Little push here and there.
We dont mind high CP players, who can solo the entire dungeon and que as a tank/ even hes not/ to cut the 1h que as dps. But once iside, even whitout taunt, he stick with the grp and i dont mean reading notes or watching the lovely interior.
He just do normal run, runing with the rest 3 of the party, killing everything.
Even if he cant hold agro and someone die is np because overal is faster.
All we mind are selfish high CP players who once inside rush to final boss without even say hi. Dont even trying to dps mobs he pass. And let ppl behind to strugle.
We also mind the low levels queing as tanks but runing with no shield or frost staff.
I dont know which are worse, but i hate both of them.
They both show one thing/ very cleary.
https://tenor.com/search/i-dont-give-a-***-gifs
you pick one ...
Dont know how to say i more clear.I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it
People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg
If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
Whine, crying, salty, beggard? What are you speaking about dude.
As i told you i can solo all soloable ingame content, and low lvl dungeons are not problem at all. as you can see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RxMLwaLj4&feature=youtu.be
with trash items found during questing.
So your sugestion is to not que, only to let such ppl have their fun.
Trust me i dont want see them at all, i que because of xp i get from random dungeon done.
Its not for me to figure a solution. Is for zos.
Call it whatever. Griefing, trolling, IDNGFK. they are all punishable.
And btw why you care so much ? Lets us " whine" as you say.
You scared that ZoS will finaly do something about it ?
Dont. We more likely soon see this:
"Greetings, due to the nonconstructive nature of this thread, we've removed a few comments and decided to close it."
So ya. Feel safe.
Really. You use FG1 as an example.
Fail troll...
I open the map and pick the 1st i see.
If you didnt notice my lvl is 20, so choise is not big.
Fake tank is equal fake both in Groto or Fang
A fake tank in FG and Fang is not equal. The fact that you even suggest something like that means you have no clue.
Read, think, post.
I say is equal FAKE.
Didnt say is equal shity.
Rly ppl this days.......
I have no clue man, rly i dont...
You really should take your own advice.
Do you even know what this thread is about?
Think not.
You used FG as an example, then doubled down by adding Fang. Do you even know what tank, dps and healer are?
Just begone, shalow mind ... :DDD
I used the 1st i see, and as i said my lvl is 20. Example was "even if you can solo FG, is stil frustrating getting a fake tank"
How much more you gona repeat " FG FG FG" btw? Whats wrong with it? Do new players dont start with FG ?
I do say that fake thank is equal fake no matter do he join FG or Fang. Ofc getting fake tank in dlc dungeons or vet content is worse.
And your last question rly show who you are
- never move boss
You lost me here
You're still showing how clueless you are, when you don't understand someone's statement 'never move boss'.
Begone, shalow mind
When you use a poor example, your reasoning will also be poor.
ok i`l make it easy for you.
Telling NEVER move boss to one whos ask what tank should do is siily.
Ppl who know about tanking, will understand that he mean - never move boss if not nesesery, but the new guy will take it wrong.
And then we have perma blocking "tanks" staying in"bad" waiting healer to do miracles to keep them alive.
Because - they never move boss
Btw you have no one else to fight ? And would you answer my questions?
So you do understand what is meant by, never move boss, you just wanted to talk trash.
Nope, i wanted to tell the guy that explanation he give to someone who have no idea of tanking is wrong.
Kind of like using FG as an example is wrong.
Example was that everyone can solo a starting dungeon. Yet stil fake tanking is not aceptable.
heck mate .... i`m lvl 23/ you name the dungeon.
So once again, you understand what is going on, you just want to talk trash.
video was answer to :Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
What we beg for ? clearly not for tank when can solo dungeon.
Its all about principles. Roles should not be abused only because someone have not time to wait in que as dps ...
And how i talk trash ?
Using FG was a poor example. You want to prove people should do the role they picked, show a fake tank failing, not an easy zone getting finished.
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »LadySinflower wrote: »I think this is a legit question then. You don't like fake tanks, healers, or DDs, right? Ok then, what is the inexperienced or low level player supposed to do? They do not know how to do the specific roles of tank or healer, but the game requires you to pick a role. They don't do much in the way of damage but queuing as a support role you don't know how to do is out of the question. So the only option left is DPS. Not everyone starts with high CP, great gear, and a lethal rotation. So would you suggest those people just stay out of dungeons altogether? Then how would anybody learn? And please don't say to get in a guild and make groups. Nobody should have to do that just to be able to play one of the main parts of the game. At CP640 I've done relatively few dungeons and don't know how I would perform as a DPS. But I know I don't qualify to tank or heal. I'm not the only one who has no idea what you expect inexperienced players to do, when you complain about "fakers" in all roles.
We dont speak about NEW players. Or players who cant play properly their roles. I dont mind such players. I even help them. With advice, or just ingame support. Little push here and there.
We dont mind high CP players, who can solo the entire dungeon and que as a tank/ even hes not/ to cut the 1h que as dps. But once iside, even whitout taunt, he stick with the grp and i dont mean reading notes or watching the lovely interior.
He just do normal run, runing with the rest 3 of the party, killing everything.
Even if he cant hold agro and someone die is np because overal is faster.
All we mind are selfish high CP players who once inside rush to final boss without even say hi. Dont even trying to dps mobs he pass. And let ppl behind to strugle.
We also mind the low levels queing as tanks but runing with no shield or frost staff.
I dont know which are worse, but i hate both of them.
They both show one thing/ very cleary.
https://tenor.com/search/i-dont-give-a-***-gifs
you pick one ...
Dont know how to say i more clear.I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it
People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg
If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
Whine, crying, salty, beggard? What are you speaking about dude.
As i told you i can solo all soloable ingame content, and low lvl dungeons are not problem at all. as you can see.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RxMLwaLj4&feature=youtu.be
with trash items found during questing.
So your sugestion is to not que, only to let such ppl have their fun.
Trust me i dont want see them at all, i que because of xp i get from random dungeon done.
Its not for me to figure a solution. Is for zos.
Call it whatever. Griefing, trolling, IDNGFK. they are all punishable.
And btw why you care so much ? Lets us " whine" as you say.
You scared that ZoS will finaly do something about it ?
Dont. We more likely soon see this:
"Greetings, due to the nonconstructive nature of this thread, we've removed a few comments and decided to close it."
So ya. Feel safe.
Really. You use FG1 as an example.
Fail troll...
I open the map and pick the 1st i see.
If you didnt notice my lvl is 20, so choise is not big.
Fake tank is equal fake both in Groto or Fang
A fake tank in FG and Fang is not equal. The fact that you even suggest something like that means you have no clue.
Read, think, post.
I say is equal FAKE.
Didnt say is equal shity.
Rly ppl this days.......
I have no clue man, rly i dont...
You really should take your own advice.
Do you even know what this thread is about?
Think not.
You used FG as an example, then doubled down by adding Fang. Do you even know what tank, dps and healer are?
Just begone, shalow mind ... :DDD
I used the 1st i see, and as i said my lvl is 20. Example was "even if you can solo FG, is stil frustrating getting a fake tank"
How much more you gona repeat " FG FG FG" btw? Whats wrong with it? Do new players dont start with FG ?
I do say that fake thank is equal fake no matter do he join FG or Fang. Ofc getting fake tank in dlc dungeons or vet content is worse.
And your last question rly show who you are- never move boss
You lost me here
You're still showing how clueless you are, when you don't understand someone's statement 'never move boss'.
Begone, shalow mind
When you use a poor example, your reasoning will also be poor.
ok i`l make it easy for you.
Telling NEVER move boss to one whos ask what tank should do is siily.
Ppl who know about tanking, will understand that he mean - never move boss if not nesesery, but the new guy will take it wrong.
And then we have perma blocking "tanks" staying in"bad" waiting healer to do miracles to keep them alive.
Because - they never move boss
Btw you have no one else to fight ? And would you answer my questions?
So you do understand what is meant by, never move boss, you just wanted to talk trash.
Nope, i wanted to tell the guy that explanation he give to someone who have no idea of tanking is wrong.
Kind of like using FG as an example is wrong.
Example was that everyone can solo a starting dungeon. Yet stil fake tanking is not aceptable.
heck mate .... i`m lvl 23/ you name the dungeon.
So once again, you understand what is going on, you just want to talk trash.
video was answer to :Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
What we beg for ? clearly not for tank when can solo dungeon.
Its all about principles. Roles should not be abused only because someone have not time to wait in que as dps ...
And how i talk trash ?
Using FG was a poor example. You want to prove people should do the role they picked, show a fake tank failing, not an easy zone getting finished.
nuff talking with you2 -
xeha_arwen11✭✭✭✭Hapexamendios wrote: »For pretty much any normal non dlc dungeon, I don’t care.
For DLC and vet, gtfo.
This.
Did 3 dungeons this morning, all fake tanks. Slotted mighty chudan, inner fire, and tanked the damn thing myself. While healing. And dpsing. (I'm a healer main). This fake tank made the normal dlc dungeon into an exhausting, unfun, horrible experience.
I've tried to kick fake tanks in the past, no one ever allows them the be kicked, so I have given up on that. I usually will leave with a note to the dps that I'm sorry and a note to the fake tank that they need to please stop fake tanking. However this time when my healer tanked the dungeon, I just had to do the freaking dungeon otherwise I was never going to get to do it.Edited by xeha_arwen11 on September 2, 2019 9:41AM2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »LadySinflower wrote: »I think this is a legit question then. You don't like fake tanks, healers, or DDs, right? Ok then, what is the inexperienced or low level player supposed to do? They do not know how to do the specific roles of tank or healer, but the game requires you to pick a role. They don't do much in the way of damage but queuing as a support role you don't know how to do is out of the question. So the only option left is DPS. Not everyone starts with high CP, great gear, and a lethal rotation. So would you suggest those people just stay out of dungeons altogether? Then how would anybody learn? And please don't say to get in a guild and make groups. Nobody should have to do that just to be able to play one of the main parts of the game. At CP640 I've done relatively few dungeons and don't know how I would perform as a DPS. But I know I don't qualify to tank or heal. I'm not the only one who has no idea what you expect inexperienced players to do, when you complain about "fakers" in all roles.
We dont speak about NEW players. Or players who cant play properly their roles. I dont mind such players. I even help them. With advice, or just ingame support. Little push here and there.
We dont mind high CP players, who can solo the entire dungeon and que as a tank/ even hes not/ to cut the 1h que as dps. But once iside, even whitout taunt, he stick with the grp and i dont mean reading notes or watching the lovely interior.
He just do normal run, runing with the rest 3 of the party, killing everything.
Even if he cant hold agro and someone die is np because overal is faster.
All we mind are selfish high CP players who once inside rush to final boss without even say hi. Dont even trying to dps mobs he pass. And let ppl behind to strugle.
We also mind the low levels queing as tanks but runing with no shield or frost staff.
I dont know which are worse, but i hate both of them.
They both show one thing/ very cleary.
https://tenor.com/search/i-dont-give-a-***-gifs
you pick one ...
Dont know how to say i more clear.I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it
People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg
If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
Whine, crying, salty, beggard? What are you speaking about dude.
As i told you i can solo all soloable ingame content, and low lvl dungeons are not problem at all. as you can see.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RxMLwaLj4&feature=youtu.be
with trash items found during questing.
So your sugestion is to not que, only to let such ppl have their fun.
Trust me i dont want see them at all, i que because of xp i get from random dungeon done.
Its not for me to figure a solution. Is for zos.
Call it whatever. Griefing, trolling, IDNGFK. they are all punishable.
And btw why you care so much ? Lets us " whine" as you say.
You scared that ZoS will finaly do something about it ?
Dont. We more likely soon see this:
"Greetings, due to the nonconstructive nature of this thread, we've removed a few comments and decided to close it."
So ya. Feel safe.
Really. You use FG1 as an example.
Fail troll...
I open the map and pick the 1st i see.
If you didnt notice my lvl is 20, so choise is not big.
Fake tank is equal fake both in Groto or Fang
A fake tank in FG and Fang is not equal. The fact that you even suggest something like that means you have no clue.
Read, think, post.
I say is equal FAKE.
Didnt say is equal shity.
Rly ppl this days.......
I have no clue man, rly i dont...
You really should take your own advice.
Do you even know what this thread is about?
Think not.
You used FG as an example, then doubled down by adding Fang. Do you even know what tank, dps and healer are?
Just begone, shalow mind ... :DDD
I used the 1st i see, and as i said my lvl is 20. Example was "even if you can solo FG, is stil frustrating getting a fake tank"
How much more you gona repeat " FG FG FG" btw? Whats wrong with it? Do new players dont start with FG ?
I do say that fake thank is equal fake no matter do he join FG or Fang. Ofc getting fake tank in dlc dungeons or vet content is worse.
And your last question rly show who you are- never move boss
You lost me here
You're still showing how clueless you are, when you don't understand someone's statement 'never move boss'.
Begone, shalow mind
When you use a poor example, your reasoning will also be poor.
ok i`l make it easy for you.
Telling NEVER move boss to one whos ask what tank should do is siily.
Ppl who know about tanking, will understand that he mean - never move boss if not nesesery, but the new guy will take it wrong.
And then we have perma blocking "tanks" staying in"bad" waiting healer to do miracles to keep them alive.
Because - they never move boss
Btw you have no one else to fight ? And would you answer my questions?
So you do understand what is meant by, never move boss, you just wanted to talk trash.
Nope, i wanted to tell the guy that explanation he give to someone who have no idea of tanking is wrong.
Kind of like using FG as an example is wrong.
Example was that everyone can solo a starting dungeon. Yet stil fake tanking is not aceptable.
heck mate .... i`m lvl 23/ you name the dungeon.
So once again, you understand what is going on, you just want to talk trash.
video was answer to :Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying
What we beg for ? clearly not for tank when can solo dungeon.
Its all about principles. Roles should not be abused only because someone have not time to wait in que as dps ...
And how i talk trash ?
Using FG was a poor example. You want to prove people should do the role they picked, show a fake tank failing, not an easy zone getting finished.
nuff talking with you
A valid point gets washed away when given with poor evidence.
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GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭There should be a health restriction/minimum when queuing as a tank; like 25k health minimum. Yeah, no tank is under 25k and no dd will have more than 21k hp. If any dd tries to queue in as a tank, they will get a message your health is too low for a tank or something. If any dd change their stats to up the hp just to queue in as tank; then kick them. If any dd queue in as a healer, kick them. Ha ha
I've been random queuing in more because it's hard to fight guildmates wanting to run. Then, the queuing in as a dd is craziness. 30 minutes to an hour and more waiting in queuing is just crazy. Don't know how they can improve that.
Maybe the dev can add another option window that shows what content (dungeon or trial) is up looking for more and shows what role(s) is still needed. That way whatever role you are, you can queue into that waiting group or content; such as an apply to option. This may also improve the level (CP) of players queuing into harder DLC contents. The group leader/crown can accept or deny.Edited by GreenhaloX on September 2, 2019 12:17PM0 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenhaloX wrote: »There should be a health restriction/minimum when queuing as a tank; like 25k health minimum. Yeah, no tank is under 25k and no dd will have more than 21k hp. If any dd tries to queue in as a tank, they will get a message your health is too low for a tank or something. If any dd change their stats to up the hp just to queue in as tank; then kick them. If any dd queue in as a healer, kick them. Ha ha
I've been random queuing in more because it's hard to fight guildmates wanting to run. Then, the queuing in as a dd is craziness. 30 minutes to an hour and more waiting in queuing is just crazy. Don't know how they can improve that.
Maybe the dev can add another option window that shows what content (dungeon or trial) is up looking for more and shows what role(s) is still needed. That way whatever role you are, you can queue into that waiting group or content; such as an apply to option. This may also improve the level (CP) of players queuing into harder DLC contents. The group leader/crown can accept or deny.
Cant be done. Many reasons.Main one - scaling.
And nothing will bother role cheaters to keep 2-3 health peaces and to swap to get the min HP required.
What need to be changed is how the players think. But looking at the posts, wont happen.
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Delparis✭✭✭✭✭If the tank is a DK, he's good enough even if fake tank.
If the tank is a templar, he can do well if skilled.
otherwise you find yourself with a bad fake tank.0 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Part of the reason people fake queue besides not wanting to spend 30+ minutes out of their play time waiting around is because the average dps in this game is abysmal. When the dps from two dds is trash, you notice an improvement if there's a 3rd one. If we can find a way to get the average dps out of the toilet, that'll make groups move faster and people won't be as impatient to fake queue.Xbox NA healer main
vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+3 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA HM | vRG HM |
Flawless Conqueror | Spirit Slayer | Dro-mA'thra Destroyer | Tick-Tock-Tormentor | Immortal Redeemer | Gryphon Heart | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Planesbreaker |0 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's no doubt been said many times already - but if you don't like fake tanks in PUGs, just bring a real tank yourself 0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭im tired of *** dps in queues that
dont rez dead team mates
dont interrupt bosses
dont do mechanics
dont do dps7 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's no doubt been said many times already - but if you don't like fake tanks in PUGs, just bring a real tank yourself
Such a BS statement.
If you can't stand to wait in the DPS queue, make a real effing tank yourself. Why is it the job of REAL DPS who wait in the DPS queue to make a tank because other DPS can't be arsed to wait as well?
Also, as a stamblade whose spammable got nerfed via the removal of Major Fracture, I want a real tank who can give me my damned fracture without my having to slot Mark Target (it's not a very effective way to provide fracture).
Why is this so hard for people?!
I also feel like people are seriously exaggerating how bad the average DPS player is in this game. I've pugged hundreds of normal and vet DLC and non-DLC dungeons, both on my semi-retired stamblade who shredded things pre-Elsweyr and on my 80k DPS, Flawless Conqueror magden who can solo almost all content in the game outside of trials and some dungeons. Outside of instances where I'm in an easy dungeon with another DPS who's on a brand new toon or other dungeons with a lower-CP fellow DPS -instances where lower DPS is expected-- I've only seen a handful of cases where my fellow DPS was wildly incompetent. Depending on the fight and how mobile it is, I average between 35 and 50k DPS on bosses, and rarely do I do more than 55ish percent of group damage.
I feel like a lot of you fake tanks are using the poor DPS excuse as a cover up BS excuse for your own selfishness.7 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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Wow, triggered much?SidraWillowsky wrote: »Such a BS statement.
If you want to be a DPS, then you wait in DPS queue - and possibly have to deal with the tank being fake, too!
If you don't want to wait in DPS queue, then you bring a tank or healer.
This is not an expression of my personal opinion, but a statement of fact.2 -
ShellaSunshine✭✭✭In my experience in this game, I only ran into 1 fake healer. It was on vWGT and this guy had double sword and board and I asked him politely what heals he had considering I noticed he had no resto staff and he replied, "I have extended ritual."
Let me just say, this guy was the first to die in every single boss fight but didn't kick him because I have soloed WGT before and we were already halfway through the dungeon before I realized he had no resto staff.
When we got to Kena, both DDs and the healer died but I couldn't rez anyone due to the HM double lightening walls and had to solo Kena on my tank.
It took forever but I got it done.
I kindly whispered him that if he planned on not using a resto staff to please use some of the Templar skills in the Restoring Light skill line and the ultimate there. That would be sufficient enough to sustain a decent amount of heals for his particular non-meta build. He actually thanked me and said he would slot the ultimate from Restoring Light.
I don't mind people experimenting but if you're going to queue as a tank or a healer, please make sure you have enough of the right skills to fill the role. You can build your toon any way you want but don't just use extended ritual and call yourself a healer or have a S&B with no taunt and call yourself a tank.
I don't mind so much in normal level 1 base game dungeons but there's a lot of normal DLC dungeons where you do need a real tank and a real healer.
The most annoying thing I've found are the DDs who do queue as tank and can't even do 10k dps in a veteran dungeon. I'm sorry but level 5 players can easily do 10k dps without CP just by mashing buttons.
I wouldn't mind so much if their dps was above average but it always seems to be the sub-par dps who queue up as tank.Edited by ShellaSunshine on September 2, 2019 6:07PM3 -
RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭I have one of every class tank now. Why? Many reasons but mostly these two...
Do I want to wait an hour to queue as a DPS? Not really unless I'm preoccupied doing surveys/dailies waiting for it.
Do I want to suffer with a horrible "tank"? Definitely not. If you want something done right, do it yourself.
DK = for scrubs who think they are top tier tanks but need all the crutches. Esp if they are a Lizard people.
Warden = my fave and most fun. Best team-friendly tank with all their buffs/heals/skills.
NB = not bad. Kinda fun as well but not quite warden status.
Sorc = probably the hardest to tank certain things on. Gotta rely on magic and hope your teammates actually do damage.
Necro = Haven't used it as much so I'm still learning things but those ultimates tho!
Templar = Middle of the road. Not the absolute worst but definitely not the best.2 -
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✭It's no doubt been said many times already - but if you don't like fake tanks in PUGs, just bring a real tank yourself
When you dont like long ques as dps, rerol tank.
A real one...ShellaSunshine wrote: »
The most annoying thing I've found are the people who do queue as tank and can't even do 10k dps in a veteran dungeon. I'm sorry but level 5 players can easily do 10k dps without CP just by mashing buttons.
You probably mean DPS ?
And y, lvl 10 can easily dush 15k dps because of the scaling.
But i wont agree with 10k dps tank.
Ofc is easy to do but 5 or 10k doent matter as tank. No big diference. I never demand tanks to do dmg/ unless we do speed runs/ and even then.
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SidraWillowsky wrote: »It's no doubt been said many times already - but if you don't like fake tanks in PUGs, just bring a real tank yourself
I've only seen a handful of cases where my fellow DPS was wildly incompetent. Depending on the fight and how mobile it is, I average between 35 and 50k DPS on bosses, and rarely do I do more than 55ish percent of group damage.
I feel like a lot of you fake tanks are using the poor DPS excuse as a cover up BS excuse for your own selfishness.
It's not rare the whole group Dps attain 20k with 810 cp inside , sometimes even less ...You just did not do many pickup. I did a lot as tank, the level is as abysmal people here say it is. Its a russian roulette, there's people doing 100k+ dps on parse, that's under 1% of the population and not many of them are friendly, a "good" pickup. group pull 40k . It's just my personal experience too but i am really convinced if we had access to server data everyone would see how catastrophic it is and how low player skill is.
Usually dont bother with people pulling 10k dps but once i found some friendly ones, the tank left them cause of low dps, but they wanted to learn, they knew nothing about rotations let alone weaving. Of course the game does not teach them anything like that and the overland content is so easy even braindead you can do it.Then the queue system launch them into content they have absolutely no hope to complete.
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ShellaSunshine✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ShellaSunshine wrote: »
The most annoying thing I've found are the DDs who do queue as tank and can't even do 10k dps in a veteran dungeon. I'm sorry but level 5 players can easily do 10k dps without CP just by mashing buttons.
I probably mean DPS ?
And y, lvl 10 can easily dush 15k dps because of the scaling.
But i wont agree with 10k dps tank.
Ofc is easy to do but 5 or 10k doent matter as tank. No big diference. I never demand tanks to do dmg/ unless we do speed runs/ and even then.
You misread my post. I was talking about the DDs who queue up as a fake tank who can't even do 10k dps...Edited by ShellaSunshine on September 2, 2019 6:10PM1 -
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✭ShellaSunshine wrote: »
You misread my post. I was talking about the DDs who queue up as a fake tank who can't even do 10k dps...
Yes i did/sorryEdited by Runkorko on September 2, 2019 6:24PM0 -
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✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »simple fix bind the character to one role on creation screen and incase peeps want to change role make this available but i would say at a cost maybe 500k in game gold
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✭✭Players have been complaining about fake tanks and poor dps in DF groups for years. Some people will lie and others will not perform up to expectations. Sounds a lot like life to me. Fill your guild slots, meet new people, make some friends, and forget about pugs. It's really not that hard.0 -
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✭Players have been complaining about fake tanks and poor dps in DF groups for years. Some people will lie and others will not perform up to expectations. Sounds a lot like life to me. Fill your guild slots, meet new people, make some friends, and forget about pugs. It's really not that hard.
We dont complain about dps have low numbers, tank die because is new and unexpirienced, or healer fail to keep ppl alive.
We complain about spoiled kids abusing roles in lfg and even trying to justufy it.
with legit arguments like "bruh chill, its normal, i can solo this sh.t"
or " i wont waste my precious time waiting 1h in lfg for que to pop"
What you didnt understand ?Edited by Runkorko on September 2, 2019 7:32PM4 -
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✭✭✭Marcus_Cassius wrote: »Now if zenimax added some tutorials in game for those people instead of more crown store monetization that would help greatly .
My main problem is the base game content is so much easier now than it was at launch that players are never expected to learn how to do anything. Thinking back to launch and the fight against Doshia, I actually had to learn how to fight harvesters on the fly with a 30f snake lady chasing me and outhealing all my damage, but once I learned how to fight back it was easy. Nothing in the game now gives players a chance to actually figure out how to figure things out, leading to low pug qualities and causing any tanks with sense and who are done the idea of carrying pugs to quit using the finder. Both of those just build on each other as fake tanks cause more situations where people don't actually learn anything and all the good tanks find better uses of their time.3 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭I don't think we would see so many fake tanks if there was actually a requirement for dps to que as dps. Not many tanks wants to que for a vet dungeon only to end up in a group with 30k group dps and two clueless dps players hoping to get carried.Most OwOrated healer of all time5 -
xSkullfox✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Cassius wrote: »Now if zenimax added some tutorials in game for those people instead of more crown store monetization that would help greatly .
My main problem is the base game content is so much easier now than it was at launch that players are never expected to learn how to do anything. Thinking back to launch and the fight against Doshia, I actually had to learn how to fight harvesters on the fly with a 30f snake lady chasing me and outhealing all my damage, but once I learned how to fight back it was easy. Nothing in the game now gives players a chance to actually figure out how to figure things out, leading to low pug qualities and causing any tanks with sense and who are done the idea of carrying pugs to quit using the finder. Both of those just build on each other as fake tanks cause more situations where people don't actually learn anything and all the good tanks find better uses of their time.
That is exactly the problem !Groupfinder:
The worst part is when it finally puts you in a group, your healer turns into a werewolf, your tank has 14k HP and the dps is heavy armor, using a restro staff and a two handed sword on the backbar. Then comes the 15 minute penalty before the cycle starts anew.
Rulz of Morrowind:- The first rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- The second rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- Third rule of Morrowind: Someone yells NDA stuff, uploads images, streams, the game is over.
- Fourth rule: only invited players can test.
- Fifth rule: one invite at a time, fellas.
- Sixth rule: crying or bashing on pts.
- Seventh rule: NDA will go on as long as they have to.
- And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first invite at Morrowind, you have to play.
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✭Marcus_Cassius wrote: »Now if zenimax added some tutorials in game for those people instead of more crown store monetization that would help greatly .
My main problem is the base game content is so much easier now than it was at launch that players are never expected to learn how to do anything. Thinking back to launch and the fight against Doshia, I actually had to learn how to fight harvesters on the fly with a 30f snake lady chasing me and outhealing all my damage, but once I learned how to fight back it was easy. Nothing in the game now gives players a chance to actually figure out how to figure things out, leading to low pug qualities and causing any tanks with sense and who are done the idea of carrying pugs to quit using the finder. Both of those just build on each other as fake tanks cause more situations where people don't actually learn anything and all the good tanks find better uses of their time.
That is exactly the problem !
Its global, not only in EsO.
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I do not think this is the problem. Overland content needs to be easy because players can start out anywhere and can go anywhere. Which is how it should be. People queue'ing for false roles has nothing to do with who tanks/heals or dps's, or even how good real roles are at those roles. It is about players abusing the role system by entering under false roles, because they think they are special and do not deserve a queue. While this punishes actual honest players who queue up for their real roles, and who do wait in queue.Marcus_Cassius wrote: »Now if zenimax added some tutorials in game for those people instead of more crown store monetization that would help greatly .
My main problem is the base game content is so much easier now than it was at launch that players are never expected to learn how to do anything. Thinking back to launch and the fight against Doshia, I actually had to learn how to fight harvesters on the fly with a 30f snake lady chasing me and outhealing all my damage, but once I learned how to fight back it was easy. Nothing in the game now gives players a chance to actually figure out how to figure things out, leading to low pug qualities and causing any tanks with sense and who are done the idea of carrying pugs to quit using the finder. Both of those just build on each other as fake tanks cause more situations where people don't actually learn anything and all the good tanks find better uses of their time.
That is exactly the problem !
Though there is a slight point in what you wrote... there should be a good healing/tanking(and dps) tutorial. If I had to make one, I would make a solo healer or tank dungeon in which your skills are replaced by only healing or only tank skills available to your class(depending on which tutorial solo dungeon you are running). And you have to complete the dungeon with only those 5 skills, tanking for or healing NPC's. These solo tutorial dungeons would ofcourse be always available to everyone, so players can both learn and relearn certain roles as they see fit and on whichever class they see fit. Personally I would place an NPC for each role next to the harborage's, who then teleport you to their role specific solo tutorial dungeon.
This however, is unrelated to the issue talked about in this topic.2 -
Grandesdar✭✭✭quadraxis666 wrote: »Another person who thinks they know how to play and others don't. You know lots of people like to play for fun so may not be "good" as you think you are.
Heaven forbid people want to play in a public game. After all, if you are so good, how come you are not making millions in cyber sports game? Ore even real life games and become a sports star?
Found the fake tank.
Almost as fast as spotting the vegan. Although, i feel this game will offer greater entertainment.
There's never enough time to spot a vegan before they just come to you and tell you they're vegan...
So funny. Let's make fun of people's dietary choices whether it's based on health issues or ethical decisions.
Let's all make fun of people allergic to lactose or gluten because it's so funny.
Let's make fun of people who prefer the well-being of animals rather than the taste of flesh.
P.S: No, I'm not vegan.Edited by Grandesdar on September 3, 2019 10:09AMMain: The Charismatic StamDK DD
Side: A Handsome Warden Healer
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✭Grandesdar wrote: »quadraxis666 wrote: »Another person who thinks they know how to play and others don't. You know lots of people like to play for fun so may not be "good" as you think you are.
Heaven forbid people want to play in a public game. After all, if you are so good, how come you are not making millions in cyber sports game? Ore even real life games and become a sports star?
Found the fake tank.
Almost as fast as spotting the vegan. Although, i feel this game will offer greater entertainment.
There's never enough time to spot a vegan before they just come to you and tell you they're vegan...
So funny. Let's make fun of people's dietary choices whether it's based on health issues or ethical decisions.
Let's all make fun of people allergic to lactose or gluten because it's so funny.
Let's make fun of people who prefer the well-being of animals rather than the taste of flesh.
P.S: No, I'm not vegan.
We both know that he mean ppl who chose to not eat meat voluntarily, and want all ppl to know that.
I dont see his post as mokery to sick ppl. Sorry.1 -
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I do not understand this problem. Normal dungeons can be closed by themselves. Which tanks?PC/EU1 -
CoronHR✭✭✭✭✭vote to kick fake tanks. i hate kicking people---i'll give a low dd a chance or carry, but kick a fake tankPC - EU - Steam client0