Tired of "fake tanks" in random queues

D0PAMINE

DarcyMardin wrote: »

So, serious question:

Real tank here, not fake (tank gear, taunts, Max CP, group buffs, high health etc.) but not super experienced with DLC dungeons. Would you rather have a real but inexperienced tank who probably doesn’t know every single mechanic, but can certainly taunt, block, interrupt, and survive most of the time, or a fake tank with high DPS?

Because during this event, I’ve been hesitating to queue for ICP or WGT.

I'll take anyone who isn't frustrating to run with. So to answer your question, likely both. Give me both of them.

oddbasket

DarcyMardin wrote: »

So, serious question:

Real tank here, not fake (tank gear, taunts, Max CP, group buffs, high health etc.) but not super experienced with DLC dungeons. Would you rather have a real but inexperienced tank who probably doesn’t know every single mechanic, but can certainly taunt, block, interrupt, and survive most of the time, or a fake tank with high DPS?

Because during this event, I’ve been hesitating to queue for ICP or WGT.

Give WGT a try, it's a straightforward run to the end and kill everything dungeon even on veteran.

ICP on veteran with a tank that during boss fights can grab adds, crowd control and interrupt will make the run smooth and fast, even if pugging with a couple of oblivious players.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Sergykid wrote: »

i join as fake tank and fake healer daily, and that is because the dps overall is low, i made a topic about this.

the thing is i have healing abilities, i always taunt and hold boss in place. So i do my job but i am just a hybrid 75% dps and 25% the support role.

for non-dlc dungeons i never had problems

I actually found having a resto backbar has increased my ease in group stuff, I only run combat prayer on it, but with power surge and rest DPS skills it does pretty well actually.

FrancisCrawford

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I did my first ICP run of the event with a group that had a rather fakish tank. S/he spent long times afk, and didn't do much to hold taunt even when around, blaming lag, all on a 2xx CP dual wielding templar. (I did get a Radiate synergy once, so it wasn't complete fakery.) Bosses got their exercise striding back and forth across their rooms. Getting a ground-based ultimate to hit them was difficult.

I initiated a vote to kick once after a particularly long afk period, but it failed and the tank came running back into action immediately thereafter. (I hope and trust this was just coincidental.)

Judging by the difficulty we had figuring out how to get through a door at one point, I don't think anybody on the team knew the dungeon well.

The whole experience was ... challenging. But it was also polite. And given the relative ignorance of the dungeon with which I was playing, I'm not totally unhappy at the thought that the other party members weren't really much better.

On the other hand, my second ICP PUG run of the event also had a rather non-tanking tank, and it was smooth.

And then I had the extreme of not conventionally tanked, not smooth, but a lot of fun -- @DarcyMardin and I then duoed it. We hadn't successfully duoed anything harder than FG2/CoH2 previously.

DarcyMardin

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I did my first ICP run of the event with a group that had a rather fakish tank. S/he spent long times afk, and didn't do much to hold taunt even when around, blaming lag, all on a 2xx CP dual wielding templar. (I did get a Radiate synergy once, so it wasn't complete fakery.) Bosses got their exercise striding back and forth across their rooms. Getting a ground-based ultimate to hit them was difficult.

I initiated a vote to kick once after a particularly long afk period, but it failed and the tank came running back into action immediately thereafter. (I hope and trust this was just coincidental.)

Judging by the difficulty we had figuring out how to get through a door at one point, I don't think anybody on the team knew the dungeon well.

The whole experience was ... challenging. But it was also polite. And given the relative ignorance of the dungeon with which I was playing, I'm not totally unhappy at the thought that the other party members weren't really much better.

On the other hand, my second ICP PUG run of the event also had a rather non-tanking tank, and it was smooth.

And then I had the extreme of not conventionally tanked, not smooth, but a lot of fun -- @DarcyMardin and I then duoed it. We hadn't successfully duoed anything harder than FG2/CoH2 previously.

Yeah, but we also duo’ed it as 2 DD/self healers, without a tank, which made me wonder if the fake tank supporters don’t actually have a point...

Jameser78

I have to say, I don't agree with some of the advise in this thread.
I play the Tank role, and I've run a few dungeons with lower level DPS and Healers who assume the Tank takes 100% of the agro and damage, and that's just not how the game works.
Dungeons are a group effort, and spreading the idea to kick the Tank if it doesn't meet your unrealistic expectations just creates more problems.
A Tank can only draw in so much, and if the healer ain't healing (been the case in most examples I've faced) and the DPS are being careless and dying for it, then it's not the Tank's fault.
This growing trend of players running Dungeons and expecting the others to do all the work is why i prefer doing them only with my guild.
And i say that as someone who doesn't have an issue with casuals just having fun, but can't stand those who dont do their part and blame those who are giving it their all.
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And I'm not blaming everyone, bit thos has been a growing problem.

max_only

DarcyMardin wrote: »

So, serious question:

Real tank here, not fake (tank gear, taunts, Max CP, group buffs, high health etc.) but not super experienced with DLC dungeons. Would you rather have a real but inexperienced tank who probably doesn’t know every single mechanic, but can certainly taunt, block, interrupt, and survive most of the time, or a fake tank with high DPS?

Because during this event, I’ve been hesitating to queue for ICP or WGT.

Real tank with no experience is 500 times better. Day 1 I took a real tank with no experience and it was ezpz.