Tired of "fake tanks" in random queues

svendf

VaranisArano wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Normal dungeons - slot taunt

Don´t give bad advise. Dps cp 200+ equip inner firre me cp 810+ sorc result - I will have the boss in my face every 3-5 sec
because he/she cant hold aggro.

You have to be very skilled to play that way and 95% of fake tanks are not good enough.

Inner Fire is a taunt that lasts for 15 seconds. There is no way you should be face tanking a boss taunted with Inner Fire ever 3 to 5 seconds unless:
A. Its an untauntable boss
B. You are also using a taunt
C. The tank is constantly dying and thus losing taunt
D. It's a boss mechanic, like how jumping bosses usually attack whoever is farthest away. If this is the case, the boss should attack you, then turn back to the tank.

Its not a problem with Inner Fire. Its a problem with either your tank or you.

I´m stacking at tank always. Im not the problem fake tanking is. I´m the player who most of the time take care of the boss because fake tank cant even bring dps. I dont use aggro.

It doesn´t matter how you turn it around or change focus. Fake tanking is a problem

peace out

anitajoneb17_ESO

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I set nothing boy. This is how the LFG works. Dont like it, dont use it.

1/ I'm a girl
2/ This is not how the LFG tool works (else it would not be possible to queue as a fake tank)
3/ This is exactly what I'm telling you to do : you shouldn't use it since you don't like it.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I wont make premade grg to do random normal content just to avoid ppl who dont know their place.
Kick, Ignore. Report. Punish. This is how it need to work.
I dont care what they have in mind when choose to fake role. I dont care that they rush and have no time to wait in que/ when have no time- dont play the game/

What you care or don't care about doesn't matter : you're the one whining here and complaining about other people and asking that mama ZOS please come punish them. I run with fake tanks from PUGs all the time and I think it's a welcome initiative to compensate the lack of "real" tanks ingame. You don't need a tank for random normal anyway. If you want to be sure to have a "real" tank, just make your own group.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Go in other games. Fake role there. Come back and share your expirience. Not to me. I know what gona happen.

Hello; this is ESO, not "other games".
Feel free to play "other games" if you're not happy with ESO.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And btw making premade is seting expectations to other ppl.

No, it's making the effort to do what needs to be done in order to meet your own expectations.

svendf

Problem with fake tanking and why it upsets other player´s is that most of the time it makes the dungeon harder and even takes longer.

Player´s are also getting upset because fake tanks is doing a realy bad job most of tte time across cp lvl.

Best to do if you can´t kick them is take the penalty and leave they will end up in a que again waiting on a new group member, who will also leave because of fake tanking - who know´s. They will end up doing alot of queing.

Remember they hate queing or getting kicked it´s a win win

Thlepse

People need to appreciate all those "fake" tanks that carried them through random normals and got their daily xp and rewards in 5 minutes. No one is here to waste his/her time tanking for that guy who can't use 5 skills and light attacks in between. L2P and move on.

SidraWillowsky

Thlepse wrote: »

People need to appreciate all those "fake" tanks that carried them through random normals and got their daily xp and rewards in 5 minutes. No one is here to waste his/her time tanking for that guy who can't use 5 skills and light attacks in between. L2P and move on.

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

VaranisArano

svendf wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Normal dungeons - slot taunt

Don´t give bad advise. Dps cp 200+ equip inner firre me cp 810+ sorc result - I will have the boss in my face every 3-5 sec
because he/she cant hold aggro.

You have to be very skilled to play that way and 95% of fake tanks are not good enough.

Inner Fire is a taunt that lasts for 15 seconds. There is no way you should be face tanking a boss taunted with Inner Fire ever 3 to 5 seconds unless:
A. Its an untauntable boss
B. You are also using a taunt
C. The tank is constantly dying and thus losing taunt
D. It's a boss mechanic, like how jumping bosses usually attack whoever is farthest away. If this is the case, the boss should attack you, then turn back to the tank.

Its not a problem with Inner Fire. Its a problem with either your tank or you.

I´m stacking at tank always. Im not the problem fake tanking is. I´m the player who most of the time take care of the boss because fake tank cant even bring dps. I dont use aggro.

It doesn´t matter how you turn it around or change focus. Fake tanking is a problem

peace out

I'm confused.

You are complaining about fake tanks who can't hold aggro, yet also complaining about using players using Inner Fire as a taunt in normal dungeons?

Fake tanks who don't hold aggro at all are obviously a problem.

But any player using Inner Fire, CP 200 or not, ought to be holding boss aggro for 15 seconds, unless the conditions I listed apply. Inner Fire is perfectly adequate in normal dungeons if the player knows what they are doing as a tank, or even as a tank/DD.

Something does not quite compute with your complaint.

Runkorko

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I set nothing boy. This is how the LFG works. Dont like it, dont use it.

1/ I'm a girl
2/ This is not how the LFG tool works (else it would not be possible to queue as a fake tank)
3/ This is exactly what I'm telling you to do : you shouldn't use it since you don't like it.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I wont make premade grg to do random normal content just to avoid ppl who dont know their place.
Kick, Ignore. Report. Punish. This is how it need to work.
I dont care what they have in mind when choose to fake role. I dont care that they rush and have no time to wait in que/ when have no time- dont play the game/

What you care or don't care about doesn't matter : you're the one whining here and complaining about other people and asking that mama ZOS please come punish them. I run with fake tanks from PUGs all the time and I think it's a welcome initiative to compensate the lack of "real" tanks ingame. You don't need a tank for random normal anyway. If you want to be sure to have a "real" tank, just make your own group.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Go in other games. Fake role there. Come back and share your expirience. Not to me. I know what gona happen.

Hello; this is ESO, not "other games".
Feel free to play "other games" if you're not happy with ESO.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And btw making premade is seting expectations to other ppl.

No, it's making the effort to do what needs to be done in order to meet your own expectations.

1/ Then " I set nothing girl."
2/ I like how lfg works, I dont like ppl abusing roles.
3/ ....

Guess you never made it to vet or trials. Prety sure you never will. Unless some fanboy decide to "brng you around"
Guess its your first mmo too. If not, you should know why there are diferent icons in lfg.
You have no reason to fight me. Wana fake roles? Do. Its up to you.
Its up to me and ppl like me to flame you and put you on ignore, so you can play with ppl like yourself.
Fake, dps, fake healers, fake tanks. With one word " FAKE"
So you see. Yout stick with your kind, i stick with mine. Both sides hapy.
Whining? I dont think so. Or you just to use this word?:)

And btw i didnt tell you to leave EsO. Just to see how is in other games, because lik you have zero expirience, and EsO tolerance make you and ppl like you damn spoiled. This not mean rest of us will spoil you too. Only because you are kids, girls, new players or whatever.
We dont speak about elitism. We dont speak about "stick to the plan, stay behind tank, dont pull, dont move ..... etc... etc.. " fun killers. But you should know that when que for dungeon, your SOLO play become team play. Respect the rulz, respect your party members and you will get the same. Dont ruin ppl fun, only because you can.
Capish ?

Bye and tc .

ThirdHorseman

Tank here;

Also the problem is some bosses cannot be taunted or have charge attacks that temporarily lose agro on the tank. Players then assume it was something the tank did. I literally spent a chunk of time being knocked around by the wyrd sister with no heals except my own and waiting for them to dps the healer. She also charges. Group asking me to tank better.

What we should be complaining about is fake healers. So many times I have had to heal my group or self while tanking or I would have died. Or fake DPS who cannot pickup the trash/secondary mobs while I tank the boss. With the healer producing more DPS than the DPS.

At which point my shield looks like Swiss cheese and I have been knocked around more then a beach ball at a pool party.

anitajoneb17_ESO

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Guess you never made it to vet or trials.

LoL.
Of course I have, even in hard modes.

As to the rest : ESO does not HAVE TO work like other MMOs. I'm glad it doesn't work like other MMOs, I'm glad people can play however they want and I'm glad the system doesn't force stupid rules onto them.
Want rules ? Set up your own rules and get your own group together, don't force them onto everyone.

I know this discussion, it has been ongoing like, forever, in countless threads, and I know what ot comes down to : people are too lazy to socialize and get their own group together.

VaranisArano

ThirdHorseman wrote: »

Tank here;

Also the problem is some bosses cannot be taunted or have charge attacks that temporarily lose agro on the tank. Players then assume it was something the tank did. I literally spent a chunk of time being knocked around by the wyrd sister with no heals except my own and waiting for them to dps the healer. She also charges. Group asking me to tank better.

What we should be complaining about is fake healers. So many times I have had to heal my group or self while tanking or I would have died. Or fake DPS who cannot pickup the trash/secondary mobs while I tank the boss. With the healer producing more DPS than the DPS.

At which point my shield looks like Swiss cheese and I have been knocked around more then a beach ball at a pool party.

Those bosses suck.

Multiple times I've watched a red phase Centurion target a DD and had them yell "TANK?!!!"

There's nothing I can do but say "The red ones can't be taunted, guys."

Believe me, I'd pull it off you if I could.

LadyNalcarya

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

Called out a fank tank in lair of maarselok or whatever it's called. As a healer i am not prepared for tanking a dlc dungeon. Esp one i am just now doing for the first time. I wont do most dlc dungeons before raching cp300 even as a healer. Anyway, everyone died as i am trying to keep myself alive and the fake tank started calling me a fake healer... blows my mind. They all kicked him and then later in another dungeon, same person called me out as a fake healer and refused to not stand in the red. Crazy. 3 times i requed. on time after 20 minutes and still got some of the people from that first dungeon who were like so you're a fake healer huh? get out. i refused. They decided to play and we cleared the dungeon quick. Fake tanks can cause a lot of trouble.

Uhm, I have news for you but if you plan on doing raids, you're going to have to tank in the event the tank dies.

My healer can tank quite well. If you're not able to hold aggro and keep yourself alive, you're not a good healer at all.

What? Trial bosses will kill a healer easily. If the tank dies, then off-tank takes over and the group tries to recover.

phileunderx2

In my pugging experience the majority of fake tanks are also terrible at DPS. So vote kick. If it falls I just leave.

Thlepse

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

You're assuming far more things than you should. I wouldn't do that if I were you. Also I wouldn't point the finger at anyone. If someone wants to have their run by talking to NPC's, choosing the quest decisions wisely, take a look at the architecture and stuff, all he/she has to do is type in group chat. If he's ignored by the group then you should complain and point the finger. Majority of players can't even reply to chat when you ask them if they have the quest. So no, I won't wait for those ppl who fail to communicate. My time is far more precious. At the end, blame ZOS because we aren't given the opportunity to solo our random normal.

idk

azjuwelz wrote: »

Sorry, some of us play at times where there may not be any guildies willing to run a dungeon, so it's not always possible to form a pre-made group.

I really don't think it's too much to ask for players to PLAY the ROLE that they select for. .

It doesn’t require a guild to form your own group though it does help. You can form it from Zone just as easily. Even at off hours there are people in Zone liking for a group. I also suggest friending the tanks you find along the way.

When the game launched the GF seemed to be a HS interns failed project. If you wanted to do a dungeon you formed the group or got into a group someone formed for you.

It worked great.

So take control or give it up to GF. Your choice. But if you think a thread like this will make a difference your wrong. The fake tanks could care less they hurt your feelings

BTW. Kick the fake tank. If you didn’t even try your an equal part of the problem.

Runkorko

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Guess you never made it to vet or trials.

LoL.
Of course I have, even in hard modes.

As to the rest : ESO does not HAVE TO work like other MMOs. I'm glad it doesn't work like other MMOs, I'm glad people can play however they want and I'm glad the system doesn't force stupid rules onto them.
Want rules ? Set up your own rules and get your own group together, don't force them onto everyone.

I know this discussion, it has been ongoing like, forever, in countless threads, and I know what ot comes down to : people are too lazy to socialize and get their own group together.

You see only what you want eh ...
Typical.

Runkorko

Thlepse wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

You're assuming far more things than you should. I wouldn't do that if I were you. Also I wouldn't point the finger at anyone. If someone wants to have their run by talking to NPC's, choosing the quest decisions wisely, take a look at the architecture and stuff, all he/she has to do is type in group chat. If he's ignored by the group then you should complain and point the finger. Majority of players can't even reply to chat when you ask them if they have the quest. So no, I won't wait for those ppl who fail to communicate. My time is far more precious. At the end, blame ZOS because we aren't given the opportunity to solo our random normal.

YOUR time ?
Dude the word "YOUR" or "MINE" become "OUR" at the moment you join 3 or X more ppl.
Dont wana expirience grp play ? Play solo then!!!
Then YOUR time will be YOURS.
Lord from where all this selfish b...rds came from.

ShellaSunshine

Just had a fake take in vBlessed Crucible...

He had no taunt and only 12k hp and said in chat he had no food.

He was kicked.

If you're not going to be responsible for the role you choose then do not queue as that role. Especially if you only have 12k hp and no food and queue up as a tank...

Thlepse

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

YOUR time ?
Dude the word "YOUR" or "MINE" become "OUR" at the moment you join 3 or X more ppl.
Dont wana expirience grp play ? Play solo then!!!
Then YOUR time will be YOURS.
Lord from where all this selfish b...rds came from.

We've been here since the start, clearing content, focusing on adjusting and improving ourselves without complaining about everything.

You only see what you want. I'll try to speak your language then. "Our" time becomes "my" time when ppl can't interact or communicate or show any signs that they understand what you're trying to say or explain. I would never say no to someone who wants the full dungeon experience. But if you fail to communicate? Boy, prepare for a -super-fast-i-one-shot-everything- run. But don't come afterwards and start complaining about how someone didn't let you complete the quest because they ran the whole dungeon and then disbanded the group (which is a shameful act if you don't ask the rest of the group about).

Runkorko

Thlepse wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

YOUR time ?
Dude the word "YOUR" or "MINE" become "OUR" at the moment you join 3 or X more ppl.
Dont wana expirience grp play ? Play solo then!!!
Then YOUR time will be YOURS.
Lord from where all this selfish b...rds came from.

We've been here since the start, clearing content, focusing on adjusting and improving ourselves without complaining about everything.

You only see what you want. I'll try to speak your language then. "Our" time becomes "my" time when ppl can't interact or communicate or show any signs that they understand what you're trying to say or explain. I would never say no to someone who wants the full dungeon experience. But if you fail to communicate? Boy, prepare for a -super-fast-i-one-shot-everything- run. But don't come afterwards and start complaining about how someone didn't let you complete the quest because they ran the whole dungeon and then disbanded the group (which is a shameful act if you don't ask the rest of the group about).

dude pls
go away with your per-fast-i-one-shot-everything- run :DDD

ZonasArch

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

You're assuming far more things than you should. I wouldn't do that if I were you. Also I wouldn't point the finger at anyone. If someone wants to have their run by talking to NPC's, choosing the quest decisions wisely, take a look at the architecture and stuff, all he/she has to do is type in group chat. If he's ignored by the group then you should complain and point the finger. Majority of players can't even reply to chat when you ask them if they have the quest. So no, I won't wait for those ppl who fail to communicate. My time is far more precious. At the end, blame ZOS because we aren't given the opportunity to solo our random normal.

YOUR time ?
Dude the word "YOUR" or "MINE" become "OUR" at the moment you join 3 or X more ppl.
Dont wana expirience grp play ? Play solo then!!!
Then YOUR time will be YOURS.
Lord from where all this selfish b...rds came from.

My loot is my loot. The only thing you're entitled to if your own. Cut the attitude. You are making yourself look silly.

Runkorko

ZonasArch wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

You're assuming far more things than you should. I wouldn't do that if I were you. Also I wouldn't point the finger at anyone. If someone wants to have their run by talking to NPC's, choosing the quest decisions wisely, take a look at the architecture and stuff, all he/she has to do is type in group chat. If he's ignored by the group then you should complain and point the finger. Majority of players can't even reply to chat when you ask them if they have the quest. So no, I won't wait for those ppl who fail to communicate. My time is far more precious. At the end, blame ZOS because we aren't given the opportunity to solo our random normal.

YOUR time ?
Dude the word "YOUR" or "MINE" become "OUR" at the moment you join 3 or X more ppl.
Dont wana expirience grp play ? Play solo then!!!
Then YOUR time will be YOURS.
Lord from where all this selfish b...rds came from.

You are making yourself look silly.

Cooming from the one with a goat for avatar

idk

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Just had a fake take in vBlessed Crucible...

He had no taunt and only 12k hp and said in chat he had no food.

He was kicked.

If you're not going to be responsible for the role you choose then do not queue as that role. Especially if you only have 12k hp and no food and queue up as a tank...

and as I said on this page if you are not voting to kick a truly fake tank you are just as much part of the problem.

SoLooney

I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it

I understand fake tanks are detriment in most vet dungeons, if you're honestly whining about fake tanks in normals

Then either kick the fake tank, run with friends, or dont run at all

People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg

If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying

Jeremy

azjuwelz wrote: »

Ozby wrote: »

Yes - and also of DPS who run ahead pulling everything when I'm trying to be a good tank and group enemies up for the team

It would be really nice if ZOS had some kind of tutorial or message somewhere that gave players basic dungeon etiquette. Maybe in the group finder, as you sign up?

Tank sets the pace.

Again, very, very simple.

When a DPS does this to me when I'm tanking I simply ignore them and let them run up ahead pulling everything. 9 times out of 10 they just get slaughtered anyway which is quite humorous to watch and makes the dungeon a little more amusing than it would otherwise be - especially when they keep doing it over and over.

Had a Templar DPS doing this in Vet Volenfell the other day in fact. It was just funny watching his stupidity at work - because he would literally keep trying to rush us by running up ahead and dying again and again... and again. It was like watching a comedy.

Jayman1000

svendf wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Normal dungeons - slot taunt

Don´t give bad advise. Dps cp 200+ equip inner firre me cp 810+ sorc result - I will have the boss in my face every 3-5 sec
because he/she cant hold aggro.

You have to be very skilled to play that way and 95% of fake tanks are not good enough.

He said normal dungeon. You dont need to be very skilled to tank normal dungeons. You literally just need to slot taunt and have a minimum of suitability.

Do not give bad advise normal or DLC. When I say say it require skill it´s because I have seen the result many times. We need to be sure new player´s is given tthe best get go for the first few time.

I recon you que as tank yourself and as so support this style of playing I never qd as tank or healer because i´m a dd. No time for queing ? that´s sad and understand the problem ( i´m also queing ).

In my world it´s simply rude to play that way and many agree, which i´m happy about.

Yes I queue as tank everytime for normal because I can facetank everything without problem just by slotting inner fire and having a little bit of survivability. I dont have a tank build, but it doesnt matter. That is how easy normal is.

It is also not my job or responsibility to "give new players the best get go for the first few times", but having said that, fulfilling the tank role is really super easy for normal that it baffles the mind that there are players that fail at it. Additionally if I can see there's a player that dont know mechanics or that is dying I try to help them and generally is patient with them.

Also please consider the fact that because of players like me the queue is much faster for players like you. You're welcome.

LadySinflower

I think this is a legit question then. You don't like fake tanks, healers, or DDs, right? Ok then, what is the inexperienced or low level player supposed to do? They do not know how to do the specific roles of tank or healer, but the game requires you to pick a role. They don't do much in the way of damage but queuing as a support role you don't know how to do is out of the question. So the only option left is DPS. Not everyone starts with high CP, great gear, and a lethal rotation. So would you suggest those people just stay out of dungeons altogether? Then how would anybody learn? And please don't say to get in a guild and make groups. Nobody should have to do that just to be able to play one of the main parts of the game. At CP640 I've done relatively few dungeons and don't know how I would perform as a DPS. But I know I don't qualify to tank or heal. I'm not the only one who has no idea what you expect inexperienced players to do, when you complain about "fakers" in all roles.

svendf

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

People need to appreciate all those "fake" tanks that carried them through random normals and got their daily xp and rewards in 5 minutes. No one is here to waste his/her time tanking for that guy who can't use 5 skills and light attacks in between. L2P and move on.

Oh THANK YOU fake tank, THANK YOU for blasting ahead of the group, not taking at all or waiting for people to do quest stuff. THANK YOU for pulling is all into combat and then leaving the second the final boss is down, not stopping to see if anyone needs to finish the quest or anything. We're all so ETERNALLY grateful for you.

You don't even seem to know what "LTP" means. You're actually taking away people's ability to LTP by pulling this crap- if the only thing that someone knows is blasting through a dungeon ignoring mechanics, they're going to struggle when the mechanics matter. Which is when people like you start to complain and say "LTP"...

You say "LTP" but are actually contributing to the very thing you complain about by fake tanking. So pat yourself on the back a bit more there buddy, nice work.

This

Runkorko

LadySinflower wrote: »

I think this is a legit question then. You don't like fake tanks, healers, or DDs, right? Ok then, what is the inexperienced or low level player supposed to do? They do not know how to do the specific roles of tank or healer, but the game requires you to pick a role. They don't do much in the way of damage but queuing as a support role you don't know how to do is out of the question. So the only option left is DPS. Not everyone starts with high CP, great gear, and a lethal rotation. So would you suggest those people just stay out of dungeons altogether? Then how would anybody learn? And please don't say to get in a guild and make groups. Nobody should have to do that just to be able to play one of the main parts of the game. At CP640 I've done relatively few dungeons and don't know how I would perform as a DPS. But I know I don't qualify to tank or heal. I'm not the only one who has no idea what you expect inexperienced players to do, when you complain about "fakers" in all roles.

We dont speak about NEW players. Or players who cant play properly their roles. I dont mind such players. I even help them. With advice, or just ingame support. Little push here and there.

We dont mind high CP players, who can solo the entire dungeon and que as a tank/ even hes not/ to cut the 1h que as dps. But once iside, even whitout taunt, he stick with the grp and i dont mean reading notes or watching the lovely interior.
He just do normal run, runing with the rest 3 of the party, killing everything.
Even if he cant hold agro and someone die is np because overal is faster.

All we mind are selfish high CP players who once inside rush to final boss without even say hi. Dont even trying to dps mobs he pass. And let ppl behind to strugle.
We also mind the low levels queing as tanks but runing with no shield or frost staff.
I dont know which are worse, but i hate both of them.
They both show one thing/ very cleary.
https://tenor.com/search/i-dont-give-a-***-gifs
you pick one ...

Dont know how to say i more clear.

SoLooney wrote: »

I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it
People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg
If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying

Whine, crying, salty, beggard? What are you speaking about dude.
As i told you i can solo all soloable ingame content, and low lvl dungeons are not problem at all. as you can see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RxMLwaLj4&feature=youtu.be

with trash items found during questing.
So your sugestion is to not que, only to let such ppl have their fun.
Trust me i dont want see them at all, i que because of xp i get from random dungeon done.
Its not for me to figure a solution. Is for zos.
Call it whatever. Griefing, trolling, IDNGFK. they are all punishable.
And btw why you care so much ? Lets us " whine" as you say.
You scared that ZoS will finaly do something about it ?
Dont. We more likely soon see this:

"Greetings, due to the nonconstructive nature of this thread, we've removed a few comments and decided to close it."

So ya. Feel safe.

Wispsister

SoLooney wrote: »

I just love how salty people get over fake tanks in lfg, it's been happening for years and people still whine about it

I understand fake tanks are detriment in most vet dungeons, if you're honestly whining about fake tanks in normals

Then either kick the fake tank, run with friends, or dont run at all

People still queue solo and expect the group to be perfectly made. Well, it defeats the purpose to hate the lfg and randoms and still queuing lfg

If you hate people and fake tanks, dont queue, simple as that. Beggars cant be choosers, you have options, figure a solution instead of crying

People will 'whine' about it until players actually start choosing the roles they are equipped for instead of ruining their party member's dungeon experiences by being a detriment. It's perfectly justified to complain when it's so common, whether you leave or kick, or whatever. I shouldn't have to be abstain from a whole feature of the game just because people are selfish. It's ridiculous.

Just like expecting everyone to shut up and take it on the chin is ridiculous, especially on the forums lol. Do you see how many complaint posts are on here? People need to let off steam sometimes. You should probably sign off if you don't like reading these.

Hapexamendios

For pretty much any normal non dlc dungeon, I don’t care.

For DLC and vet, gtfo.