Shouldn't be able to kick people in dungeon finder pugs.

Cously · August 2019

You're paying ZOS the subscription. I didn't get paid *** from you so I won't carry.

thorwyn · August 2019

First off, removing the option to kick someone from the group is just an open invitation for griefers who want to spoil other people's fun by acting like jerks for "the lulz".

I assume it was because the power tripping friends didn't like the fact that I didn't respond to their chat.
But I don't play this game to chat. And I shouldn't have to pay respect to them.

So you refuse to even communicate with your team members by saying hi, please, thanks, bye and expect people to carry you because "you pay for the game"? I'm also paying for the game and I think I missed the part in the EULA that says I'm bound to group with sociopaths.

I will now flee from the forums and probably never return as the culture here is just as bad as everywhere else.

And not even here are you able to communicate and defend your position. You just run away because it's the oh so evil internet with all those oh so evil people, while it's actually YOU who doesn't show even a glimpse of social culture and manners. Well played, Sir... well played.

BigBragg · August 2019

Can we vote kick OPs thread? Clearly not like he could be bothered to read anyways.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · August 2019

commodore64 wrote: »

So we should carry another stamcro fake tank with 16k health and no taunt because you got kicked from a PUG?

No thanks. The kick option is there for a reason beyond your sensitive feelings.

Look there are DDs in medium/light armour that are fake tanks, and there are tanks with low health but high dmg mitigation doing some damage also.

There is a big misconception here I am afraid. I have 5 tanks. Three are normal proper tanks. (Templar, DK, Sorc).

The other 2 are not tanks I take in vet Trial or HM vet DLC dungeon, but can do everything else including vet dungeons (HM non DLC ones), and normal difficulty trials. And be successful without dying.
Both have around 20K hp, and both using heavy armour. One is using damage mitigation & damage sets (Templar with S&B + Bow) the other using shields (Ice Warden with dual Ice Staff).

It is annoying when people like you are crying based on the health only, and not of the ability to TANK. Some hadn't stopped crying even after finishing vMHK (no HM) successfully, without me dying, nor anyone else. Others have a sheer predisposition to new and unknown things, however you should give a chance to others.

Again what I am saying is that fake tanks, which are masked DDs who cannot soak damage nor taunt are bad.
But you cannot brand fake tanks those who can taunt, can soak damage without dying just because their HP isn't 40K.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Just for the record, this “all mighty chat” people keep moaning about takes up most of the bloody screen for console users. Just saying.

Edit: spelling

Sharee · August 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

Sorry but this is BS.
Direfrost Keep you cant solo even on normal.

Sure, but i don't see how that fact makes what i said "BS".
Just don't PUG it then? Its a pain anyway, because you always get that one guy who does not know how to break free.

Sarannah · August 2019

Though I do understand your position OP, the kick function is needed due to afk-ers and such.

When I enter a dungeon I always say hi, always try to wait for players or try to tell them the mechanics. I also try to always vote "no" when a kick is initiated unless there is a really clear reason, not low dps. I do not mind low dps, or dying a few times.
This week I have voted yes on kicking three people. One was an accident, as someone started the dungeon quest and when I wanted to press yes, it switched to the vote to kick, which someone had for no reason initiated. As the dungeon did not start yet. Feel really bad about this one still. The other two times were one afk-er, and one a tank who couldn't tank a boss's hits.

When players queue as tank or healer when they are not, this annoys me the most. But still I do not kick them, or initiate a vote.
Have noticed that it is mostly the players who think they are good, that actually aren't... same in pvp. These are also usually the players who will start cursing at you or initiate a vote to kick most of the time. Some players just think they are the world, and own the world.

Bad runs happen, just keep going into the next one! A few bad runs should not ruin your enjoyment of the game.

PS: I always share the dungeon quest when I have it and when a new players joins the group, and always wait at the end for the quest to finish. As I know how stupid it is when you are on the quest and players leave before you can hand it in. This has costed me a few skillpoints in the past.
PPS: For low level players doing good dps is harder, due to less skillpoints and not finding upgrades. I've had characters where I haven't been able to find a new weapon for 10+ levels, seriously cutting down my dps into crap numbers.

buttaface · August 2019

9/10 troll. Bravo.

RexyCat · August 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

I stopped reading once you said you turn off chat in pugs. It is your fault, you should be kicked from group.

Houshiki wrote: »

Turned off chat... in a pug dungeon... Please someone tell me I'm not the only one who sees a flaw in this.

I guess they use emotes to communicate instead?

Before all people here on forum will rant about how bad PUGs can be, let us remember how many groups that are actually helpful, that are waiting for you when you enter dungeon on a later stage, rez you when you are unlucky to get killed and even wait when dungeon are finished to get that loot from last boss (can be on boss corpse or a chest that is 5 miles away from where group killed boss). Not all PUGs are bad and can really be fun even when there is limited communication.

//RexyCat

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · August 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

Sorry but this is BS.
Direfrost Keep you cant solo even on normal.
All of my speed/no death runs i did with pugs - without voice even/ back in time. When ppl try hard. Lets say it, today players are spoiled bunch. Most of them, if not all.

Sorry but you can solo Direfrost in normal even with a Stamplar DD.
And except version 2 of the dungeons (eg BC2, COH2, FG2, COA2, DC2, Wayrest2 etc) all non DLC dungeons can be done solo with a good DD in normal. Crucible might be a bit of a bigger challenge tbh.

Undead packed non DLC dungeons (COH1, BC1 etc) can be done solo in Vet also, assuming you have a hybrid DD/Tank in heavy armour.
Vet Direfrost, the last boss also is very challenging solo.

zvavi · August 2019

Honestly? If you can't get along with people, it is usually on you, i mean, i pug vDLC a whole lot. And was yet to be bullied by 3 premades. Ever. I mean, usually i do the bullying. Being all like "guys do mechanics". "Guys slow down dps you cant skip it with yours do mechanics". "Guys come closer to boss". "Please focus adds". Etc. See. zvavi the premade bully.

bmnoble · August 2019

Without the dungeon cool down timer, those playing the support roles will still have to wait some time or risk ending up back with the group they just left.

Doubt removing it would benefit damage dealers either, they would just end up at the back of the queue once again or mashing the join queue button till it lets them in again.

almightyalfo · August 2019

With that arrogant attitude no wonder they kicked you out.

Sarannah · August 2019

zvavi wrote: »

Honestly? If you can't get along with people, it is usually on you, i mean, i pug vDLC a whole lot. And was yet to be bullied by 3 premades. Ever. I mean, usually i do the bullying. Being all like "guys do mechanics". "Guys slow down dps you cant skip it with yours do mechanics". "Guys come closer to boss". "Please focus adds". Etc. See. zvavi the premade bully.

This is not bullying, this is in my opinion just telling players what they should be doing. Giving them advice on how something works(even if it may be bad advice). If you curse at or insult players, that would be bullying.

Runkorko · August 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

Sorry but this is BS.
Direfrost Keep you cant solo even on normal.
All of my speed/no death runs i did with pugs - without voice even/ back in time. When ppl try hard. Lets say it, today players are spoiled bunch. Most of them, if not all.

Sorry but you can solo Direfrost in normal even with a Stamplar DD.
And except version 2 of the dungeons (eg BC2, COH2, FG2, COA2, DC2, Wayrest2 etc) all non DLC dungeons can be done solo with a good DD in normal. Crucible might be a bit of a bigger challenge tbh.

Undead packed non DLC dungeons (COH1, BC1 etc) can be done solo in Vet also, assuming you have a hybrid DD/Tank in heavy armour.
Vet Direfrost, the last boss also is very challenging solo.

No you cant/ not without exploit. You cant activate pressure plates alone.

Jayman1000 · August 2019

I disagree. How many times have I been in a pug and one of the players is not responsive from the very start. Or suddenly the healer goes unresponsive mid dungeon....And then you have awful fake tanks... How are you going to deal with that if you cant kick? Please come up with solution for these scenarios if you want get rid of kick. Hint: you cannot fix that without the kick. It's the only solution when people go afk.

OrphanHelgen · August 2019

I dont' agree with you. You should be prepared for doing a veteran dungeon. If you are prepared, you won't get kicked either.
I have never in my life been kicked from a vet dungeon, and I have group tooled for years, simply because people don't kick for no reason. The dps is kind of there, you have logs and addons to see group dps. If you are familiar with dungeon and yourself, you notice on the first mob pack if the group is good or not. If you want to LEARN a dungeon, you should as a minimum say you are first time here at the start of the dungeon, but preferable you should go with guild mates. Also go with someone on your own level (both ingame level and personal level) so you can see if you are carrying others or getting carried yourself.
I did a dungeon where I was 90% group dps, and I have done that dungeon 2000 times, and at the end the other dd was like: Oh this was easy, I heard this one was hard.
I don't mind that, I just hope he queue for the dungeon again with other randoms

Snaekd · August 2019

/spit

commodore64 · August 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

commodore64 wrote: »

So we should carry another stamcro fake tank with 16k health and no taunt because you got kicked from a PUG?

No thanks. The kick option is there for a reason beyond your sensitive feelings.

Look there are DDs in medium/light armour that are fake tanks, and there are tanks with low health but high dmg mitigation doing some damage also.

There is a big misconception here I am afraid. I have 5 tanks. Three are normal proper tanks. (Templar, DK, Sorc).

The other 2 are not tanks I take in vet Trial or HM vet DLC dungeon, but can do everything else including vet dungeons (HM non DLC ones), and normal difficulty trials. And be successful without dying.
Both have around 20K hp, and both using heavy armour. One is using damage mitigation & damage sets (Templar with S&B + Bow) the other using shields (Ice Warden with dual Ice Staff).

It is annoying when people like you are crying based on the health only, and not of the ability to TANK. Some hadn't stopped crying even after finishing vMHK (no HM) successfully, without me dying, nor anyone else. Others have a sheer predisposition to new and unknown things, however you should give a chance to others.

Again what I am saying is that fake tanks, which are masked DDs who cannot soak damage nor taunt are bad.
But you cannot brand fake tanks those who can taunt, can soak damage without dying just because their HP isn't 40K.

I specifically said, if you'd read more than the first few words, fake tank without taunt slotted.

You've completely missed the point of the post and the whole thread it seems. Or you're simply crying to make your own point. Either way, congrats.

VaranisArano · August 2019

Warframe doesn't have a kick function. Normally it works out okay, because the missions are quick and easy enough to carry someone through.

But every once in a while, someone goes completely AFK on a long mission or decides to just sit and mooch, and I think about how nice it would be to have a kick function.

Likewise, in ESO, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to kick players. Going AFK, crashing, etc. Dungeons are not well designed for every random group to carry literally dead weight.

I've crashed out of dungeons and sometimes the group was kind enough to wait for me to log back in, but I never blame any group that doesn't.

zvavi · August 2019

Sarannah wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Honestly? If you can't get along with people, it is usually on you, i mean, i pug vDLC a whole lot. And was yet to be bullied by 3 premades. Ever. I mean, usually i do the bullying. Being all like "guys do mechanics". "Guys slow down dps you cant skip it with yours do mechanics". "Guys come closer to boss". "Please focus adds". Etc. See. zvavi the premade bully.

This is not bullying, this is in my opinion just telling players what they should be doing. Giving them advice on how something works(even if it may be bad advice). If you curse at or insult players, that would be bullying.

Last time i called someone idiot in chat was vSP, i had a dd that didnt know mechanics (even though he was insisting he did) after wipe on ogres, i said " you dont know mechanics

" then he said "so what, you kick me?", and i answered "no idiot, i will explain them"<==see, bully

NeillMcAttack · August 2019

@Dubhliam Welcome back sir, haven’t seen you around here in quite some time.

As to the OP, read the chat at least. It’s not solo content, you will need to learn how many of the instances mechanics work. And you will need to communicate somewhat to learn, and coordinate to complete them. If that’s not your thing, then that content isn’t aimed at you. Sorry.

G1Countdown · August 2019

redmaxblower wrote: »

And I shouldn't have to pay respect to them.

Maybe you should consider the fact that the problem is your attitude and not others. You are playing an MMO with the chat turned off and ignoring others. It sounds like you understand that your behavior is purposely disrespectful with that quote. I don't understand why you are surprised that you were kicked from the dungeon.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · August 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

Sorry but this is BS.
Direfrost Keep you cant solo even on normal.
All of my speed/no death runs i did with pugs - without voice even/ back in time. When ppl try hard. Lets say it, today players are spoiled bunch. Most of them, if not all.

Sorry but you can solo Direfrost in normal even with a Stamplar DD.
And except version 2 of the dungeons (eg BC2, COH2, FG2, COA2, DC2, Wayrest2 etc) all non DLC dungeons can be done solo with a good DD in normal. Crucible might be a bit of a bigger challenge tbh.

Undead packed non DLC dungeons (COH1, BC1 etc) can be done solo in Vet also, assuming you have a hybrid DD/Tank in heavy armour.
Vet Direfrost, the last boss also is very challenging solo.

No you cant/ not without exploit. You cant activate pressure plates alone.

Possibly you are right here. Is one of the dungeons that haven't done solo, as I do not farm items from it.
However if you aren't doing the quest to light up the direfrost, do you need to go down there to kill that boss?

Vlad9425 · August 2019

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

I do many of the dungeons solo but some of them aren’t possible to solo like direfrost or ones which have stun mechanics which require other people to free you.

AbysmalGhul · August 2019

Learn to socialize and quit being an entitled snob

mattaeus01b16_ESO · August 2019

Everything about this is just wrong.

I refuse to waist 2 or 3 hours of my life, dragging someone through a DLC on vet, because they are not ready for it, or refuse to follow direction, ignore mechanics, or Que as something they are not .... But Im not an ass. I talk to them first. If they dont respond, damn strait they are getting booted. Id rather 3 man a vDLC, then put up with someones ignorance.

Sephyr · August 2019

I enjoy my right to kick everyone because I like doing the Can-Can.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2019

redmaxblower wrote: »

randomly getting booted from a group for literally no reason.

Well, you mentioned one very valid reason yourself : you turned off text chat.

redmaxblower wrote: »

And I shouldn't have to pay respect to them.

Care to elaborate ? Where did you get that impression from ? Of course you should be respectful of others, especially if you expect them to respect you..

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

It will solve nothing, now veteran players at least give newbie/casual players a chance and won't kick them if group is good enough to complete dungeon, but if this will be implemented veteran players will simply stop pugging entirely. Or will queue on tank just to see group and exit immediately if they see group dps is low.

So it will be much worse and much more toxic situation then on the live. Tbh, issue is overblown, there was period when I pugged like 10 vet dungeons per day and chance of situation with toxic people was extremely low, like 5% of runs.