Shouldn't be able to kick people in dungeon finder pugs.

Sharee

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

There are players so bad who join those queues that they deserve to be kicked. I’ve stopped using the group finder thing because at times it’s just an exercise in frustration.

Never do a PUG queue for a dungeon you can't solo

I do many of the dungeons solo but some of them aren’t possible to solo like direfrost or ones which have stun mechanics which require other people to free you.

I did not say you should solo them. I said you shouldn't PUG them if you can't solo them. Different, yes?

Mettaricana

You paid for it yes you have a right to play yes, you don't have the right to hold everyone else back because you take on content you're not ready for... you dont have the right to suck so bad the rest of the team needs to requeue to escape the terror that is that light armor spamming bow sword and board jack of no trades. I definitely say keep the kick option

kaisernick

Sarannah wrote: »

Though I do understand your position OP, the kick function is needed due to afk-ers and such.

When I enter a dungeon I always say hi, always try to wait for players or try to tell them the mechanics. I also try to always vote "no" when a kick is initiated unless there is a really clear reason, not low dps. I do not mind low dps, or dying a few times.
This week I have voted yes on kicking three people. One was an accident, as someone started the dungeon quest and when I wanted to press yes, it switched to the vote to kick, which someone had for no reason initiated. As the dungeon did not start yet. Feel really bad about this one still. The other two times were one afk-er, and one a tank who couldn't tank a boss's hits.

When players queue as tank or healer when they are not, this annoys me the most. But still I do not kick them, or initiate a vote.
Have noticed that it is mostly the players who think they are good, that actually aren't... same in pvp. These are also usually the players who will start cursing at you or initiate a vote to kick most of the time. Some players just think they are the world, and own the world.

Bad runs happen, just keep going into the next one! A few bad runs should not ruin your enjoyment of the game.

PS: I always share the dungeon quest when I have it and when a new players joins the group, and always wait at the end for the quest to finish. As I know how stupid it is when you are on the quest and players leave before you can hand it in. This has costed me a few skillpoints in the past.
PPS: For low level players doing good dps is harder, due to less skillpoints and not finding upgrades. I've had characters where I haven't been able to find a new weapon for 10+ levels, seriously cutting down my dps into crap numbers.

Although i dont tank (yet as my tank is only lvl 15) i often do the same thing on my healer as i have been on the recevining end of a kick on my dps and i had enough of eleiteism from wow that i wont tolerate it anymore.
I had a tank who was kind and offerd me some pointers for my scorc that really helped and i will often ask him/her if they want to run a dungon so i do love it when ppl are not *** about it, but one thing i do, if i get someone being a *** to a dps when im on my healer i will often use the fact that healers are a long wait to put that eleiteist in their place either by treating to quit or kick them as i had enougth of that smug attitude in wow.

Veinblood1965

Ackwalan wrote: »

I stopped reading once you said you turn off chat in pugs. It is your fault, you should be kicked from group.

Agreed. You're just asking to be booted and then complain? Really?

BruceChillis

I kick low lvl ppl on the regular, I just can't deal with how crap the group finder is, why group me, iv 1k cp points, with a 329cp and a 566cp? In a f'kn dlc dungeon?? It's a fail right from the start, I'm not finishing that dungeon with this group, I'm not saying that every 810 knows what their at cos believe me, they don't, but still, at least they have "some" extra experience in the game to just maybe understand mechanics, I'm all down for helping ppl, but when I log in to get my dailies done, I don't want to be doing them all f'kn day, I just want to get em done and move on

Dusk_Coven

Maybe premade groups should only count as 1 vote. So a team of 3 friends can't grief someone.
And if a vote becomes 1-1, everyone gets kicked or no one gets kicked.

But there has to be a kick option. Like for fake tanks that can't tank in a dungeon where the team needs a tank. Same for fake heals.

gatekeeper13

redmaxblower wrote: »

Stop letting people in dungeon finder kick other players. We all paid for the game we all have a right to be there.

Indeed, we all paid for the game. Not only the guys who get kicked but also people who have 1-2 free hours per day to enjoy the game and instead of enjoying it, they spend 1 annoying hour to complete a vet dungeon that should be done in 20 minutes, because some DD does 5k dps. Or the group gets wiped because a fake dd poses as a healer. Or because there is a glass tank who wont use taunt or a DD who leaves the group and sprints in the whole dungeon. Or a 100cp lvl tries to complete a dungeon that is damn hard to complete and gets wiped all the time or wont do dmg.

Shouldnt all these people be kicked? OFC they should be kicked. Why? Because they dont care if they make other people's lives hard while attempting to complete sth. I am playing as a tank in the game and if there is a vet DLC dungeon I cannot complete because I am yet not skilled enough (veteran MHK for instance some months ago, I failed in the Moon-Caller), I quit the dungeon myself to let the other guys progress.

What SHOULDNT be happening, is what you said about groups of 2 or 3 friends who act aggressively towards lone players. These people are pure toxic trash and should be reported to ZOS for permanent ban. But unfortunately ZOS doesnt give a damn and wont even investigate the report.

Tommy_The_Gun

Tilte ^ :
The vote-kick was originally there to kick people who are trolls and are there to
deliberately destroy your fun and expirence.

Tell me, honestly, have you EVER met such person in group finder ? A troll who has nothing to do and just deliberately spoils the fun...just for his/her own fun ?

I have not.

The only instance I saw (and unfirtunatly experienced) vote-kick is when it was used to get rid of players who were learning, they did not knew the mechanics, they did not had certain skills etc.

What ZOS should do imho is this:
Change the required vote-kick from 2 vots minimum to 3. That way, if some one is troll - he/she will be kicked and it will be harder to abuse vote-kick on people who do not deserve it.

gatekeeper13

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tilte ^ :
The vote-kick was originally there to kick people who are trolls and are there to
deliberately destroy your fun and expirence.

Tell me, honestly, have you EVER met such person in group finder ? A troll who has nothing to do and just deliberately spoils the fun...just for his/her own fun ?

I have not.

The only instance I saw (and unfirtunatly experienced) vote-kick is when it was used to get rid of players who were learning, they did not knew the mechanics, they did not had certain skills etc.

What ZOS should do imho is this:
Change the required vote-kick from 2 vots minimum to 3. That way, if some one is troll - he/she will be kicked and it will be harder to abuse vote-kick on people who do not deserve it.

Its already 3 votes minimum. 2/4 guys in a group cant kick anyone. Its a fact. I tried to kick a DD who was sprinting in vCOA2, even left me, the healer and 1 dd to deal with mobs while he was in the other side of the dungeon, agreed with the healer to kick him but he the vote was rejected because the other DD kept him in game for some reason...

Also, "learning" players should start from normal dungeons, then go to vet. When they cant even stay away from a simple aoe, no reason for them to do hard vet content.

Ysbriel

If you decide not to use the chat during a vet run you are asking for a 600 yard punt. for various reasons: mechanics, achievements and knowing if you are stalling because you are picking up quests or simply AFK.

If you don’t do your job you simply get firerd, not your co workers, YOU, so if someone is really not doing what they are supposed to do in a dungeon it means either 3 people will end having to leave? nope its YOU. its called VETERAN for a reason and there is also a normal mode that people can do till they are actually ready.

you said you don’t need to respect others? well i guess no respect for you and you are OUT.
There are many people already who join to act a fool in a VETERAN run and the least we need is to have everybody else’s experience ruined for such behaviors.

jcm2606

This is actually one of the funniest threads I've seen, and that's a damn achievement considering the forums we're in.

Commancho

We need a vote kick in battlegrounds so we can kick all PVE toons coming only for daily XP and geodes. They are either AFK in the base or play with same result.

Asardes

I disagree. Some of them fully deserve it in some situations because they ruin the experience for everyone else. Even in normal dungeons there are sometimes mechanics where all players need to do certain actions. If I explain mechanics, and they don't do it, and we are stuck there, I will definitely vote to kick. It's like playing soccer with someone who constantly scores own goals or handles the ball, although you've explained the game rules.

sionIV

redmaxblower wrote: »

Been playing MMO's since Everquest. Literally a year played time in WoW.
Said this same thing on their forums years ago before I quit playing.

Stop letting people in dungeon finder kick other players. We all paid for the game we all have a right to be there.

As it is the system is used for griefing. None of the dungeons in this game, normal or vet, are so hard that one bad player can't be carried.
It's usually the opposite... the ones who want to be carried boot the lowest dps or the person who makes a minor mistake.

Two or three "friends" (and I use the term loosely because classless people like this don't know what friendship is)
will typically grab one more player from dungeon finder and use it as an excuse to grief/bully/harass the lone player.

Freetality even did a couple of videos recently on the *** behavior of "friends" in pugs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zzlE0fIt8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_8Pqn5IDk

And yes, I've been booted a couple of time from dungeons for reasons unknown, since I long ago turned off my chat window
in pugs and battelgrounds due to the obscene language and behavior of the players in this game.

I love the game, and enjoy playing in peace. But I'm tired of declining vote kicks and or randomly getting booted from a group for literally no reason.

Example:
A few days ago I logged into a pug for Vet March of Sacrifices which was in progress, and got booted before I even caught up to the group.
I assume it was because the power tripping friends didn't like the fact that I didn't respond to their chat.
But I don't play this game to chat. And I shouldn't have to pay respect to them.

And yes I can already hear the moans and wailing of those people who need their power trip...

"ZOMG but what if they are holding our group up? I shouldn't have to carry terribles"

No, you shouldn't. You can leave. There should be no penalty for leaving a pug. No 15-20 minute wait. Or at least one free "get out of bad pug" per hour or two.

I know nothing will change because excluding and blacklisting people is hard coded into internet culture, but I had to say my peace.

I will now flee from the forums and probably never return as the culture here is just as bad as everywhere else.

Through my many years playing MMOs and visiting the forums, I have seen many people proclaim that they have no idea why they were removed from the groups that they were in. Some of those people had been removed several times, and yet it was bewildering to them how it could happen, or what the reasons were for it.

In 90% of the cases, it wasn't that shocking, and there were valid reasons for the removal.

Lazarus_Rising

-i dont use chat- ok you don't wanna work with your group members together but they should work with you then?

redgreensunset

Ysbriel wrote: »

If you decide not to use the chat during a vet run you are asking for a 600 yard punt. for various reasons: mechanics, achievements and knowing if you are stalling because you are picking up quests or simply AFK.

If you don’t do your job you simply get firerd, not your co workers, YOU, so if someone is really not doing what they are supposed to do in a dungeon it means either 3 people will end having to leave? nope its YOU. its called VETERAN for a reason and there is also a normal mode that people can do till they are actually ready.

you said you don’t need to respect others? well i guess no respect for you and you are OUT.
There are many people already who join to act a fool in a VETERAN run and the least we need is to have everybody else’s experience ruined for such behaviors.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tilte ^ :
The vote-kick was originally there to kick people who are trolls and are there to
deliberately destroy your fun and expirence.

Tell me, honestly, have you EVER met such person in group finder ? A troll who has nothing to do and just deliberately spoils the fun...just for his/her own fun ?

I have not.

The only instance I saw (and unfirtunatly experienced) vote-kick is when it was used to get rid of players who were learning, they did not knew the mechanics, they did not had certain skills etc.

What ZOS should do imho is this:
Change the required vote-kick from 2 vots minimum to 3. That way, if some one is troll - he/she will be kicked and it will be harder to abuse vote-kick on people who do not deserve it.

I have a sandwich so no one else can be hungry. That's the extend of your argument.

Good for you that you've never run into these people, unfortunately I have. They're the reason I only pug if I have two friend along because the vote is already set to three votes for to kick someone.

Veles

What will you do if group finder add a fake tank or a troll to ur group in dlc dungeon, who will ruin ur game? Ofc ur teammates will kick him. And now u want to delete this function.

This whole topic is talking about nothing. The only sane thing I found here is that it’s time to remove this 15 minute penalty for leaving the group

Agenericname

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tilte ^ :
The vote-kick was originally there to kick people who are trolls and are there to
deliberately destroy your fun and expirence.

Tell me, honestly, have you EVER met such person in group finder ? A troll who has nothing to do and just deliberately spoils the fun...just for his/her own fun ?

I have not.

The only instance I saw (and unfirtunatly experienced) vote-kick is when it was used to get rid of players who were learning, they did not knew the mechanics, they did not had certain skills etc.

What ZOS should do imho is this:
Change the required vote-kick from 2 vots minimum to 3. That way, if some one is troll - he/she will be kicked and it will be harder to abuse vote-kick on people who do not deserve it.

The minimum is 3 votes.

No, that's not the only reason vote-to-kick is there.

SpacemanSpiff1

No thanks. I like having the option to kick people (fake roles, rude).

Maybe turn on your chat and you'll get kicked less.

furiouslog

Ackwalan wrote: »

I stopped reading once you said you turn off chat in pugs. It is your fault, you should be kicked from group.

^^

Cuberth

This makes no sense. We need the ability to kick people to deal with fake tanks/healers and also to deal with the people who go "offline" to avoid the que wait period punishment for leaving early. If anything it needs to be easier to kick the people who go offline. I've been in a dungeon where a guy went offline so the other two left and I was just stuck there unable to do anything. Had to wait for someone else to join before I could even remove the offline guy. Rediculous.

RexyCat

Sharee wrote: »

Last time i was in a dungeon finder PUG we kicked the healer because he simply stayed AFK at the entrance and did absolutely nothing.

It is not as simple as "even bad players have the right to play". They do. Still, the ability to kick is important.

Kicking is also an option that some people ask for as that will reduce their cooldown for using AF again.

//RexyCat