Farewell, White Wolf. [Werewolf Safe-Haven]

Tommy_The_Gun · August 2019

Farewell, White Wolf.

You did good wolf, you did good. You were the best. You kept me safe, no matter the danger I was facing. I was weak without you. But as soon as your spirit appeared within me, I was able to survive, whatever it was.
Now, you are the one that needs help. The “F-warriors” are after you. This time, we won't win. The angry mob follows them. There is too many of them. We need to split. You should go and hide, to the best of your abilities. Those people wont rest, till they will be sure that you are dead. I am risking a lot. Without you, I am weak… so weak… I am afraid that I wont make it. However, hopefully, they wont suspect the old Shadow-scale. After all, They already harmed me in the past. I will never walk & run how I used to. My leg is permanently damaged and I lost one eye to them already. So be careful wolf, the “F-warriors” are relentless. If they will find you, they will do even more horrible things to you. Run. Run and hide. This is the only thing you can do.
Right now, I am going to pray to your father, Hircine. Maybe he will be able to help us both. I will also try to seek out your brother, Black Wolf.

Farewell, White Wolf. I hope that some day, when the things will quiet down, we will (hopefully) meet again and take revenge on those “F-warriors”. They are very predictable, so we can use this to our advantage.

Best regards, Your old Shadow-scale friend.

^ This is not a quitting thread by any means. Just a “RP” comment on Pack Leader changes. ^

I would like this thread to be a kind of a “Safe-haven” or just a safe place, where all Pack Leaders & Werewolves could go. So if you don’t know what to do, or you just want to share your thoughts, or you are just sad about the changes, then go ahead and talk. It helps.

Here are some links to the other Werewolf threads.
- Official [Class Rep] Werewolf Feedback Thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416461/class-rep-werewolf-feedback-thread/p1
- Werewolf Theorycrafting (PvP)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/393796/werewolf-theorycrafting-pvp/p1
- [Werewolf Scalebreaker feedback] – a PTS thread, where we posted our feedback and pretty much 100% got ignored….

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/484345/werewolf-scalebreaker-feedback-why-most-of-the-changes-are-unjustified-and-needs-tweaking/p1

Note: Please keeps things “civil” and ignore “WW were broken, OP, They deserved nerf, they were brain-dead, they did not deserved DPS” trolls. Those people usually know nothing about WW and were, and will continue to harass us. So please ignore them, we want this thread not to be locked.

ccfeeling · August 2019

Nerf everything until they win

Fischblut · August 2019

For me, my beautiful ghost wolf died with Dark Brotherhood update :'(
I hate those pets, and I still miss +2 seconds to my timer after each heavy attack. And it also counted for partially charged heavies - meaning, if I gathered few mobs around me and heavy attacked them, each mob gave + 2 seconds to my timer

During solo boss fight with no adds, I didn't have to run away and use Ferociouls Leap and worry that my timer will run out. I was so used to it and so in love with it, that even after years, I still do heavy attacks in attempt to fill my timer

I remember how I went to IC and met lonely roaming boss on my werewolf. My timer run out during the fight...

I remorphed all my wolves to Berserkers after Dark Bortherhood update, and I don't transform as often as I used to. But just few months ago, I morphed one wolf to Pack Leader specially for his annoying pets and Battlegrounds...

I experienced one of the most fun matches ever with him, when I got into already going game and saw that two of my team members were transformed. It was madness

Now this another update will not only kill my last white wolf, but I'm also thinking about curing all my wolves

So yes, farewell to white wolves

Ectheliontnacil · August 2019

There is only one white wolf!

TankinatorFR · August 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

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It's really well written. An awesome is not enough for your post. Sadly, that's all I can give.

I only have one werewolf. White, of course.
I think I can now respec her ? I am not even sure I should keep lycanthropy.
Respec as a tank of course, because this reroll's class will be nerfed too, and tank will be the only role where it will not under-perform...

The fun is leaving. With each updates, more of my characters move from "suitable for all contents" to the realm of "still good for RP and easy open-world questing".
That's where my little wolf will now reside it seems...
And she will not be alone ; as of this update, 5 of my characters will have been nerfed into oblivion since the beginning of the year.

The worst thing is that there will be an other "balancing patch" this years. Nowadays, each time I connect, I look at my character list and think "Who's next ?". Not as if there was a lot of them left.

The change they are doing aren't even remotely logical... As if they were balancing things one by one, without considering them as a whole. Without even testing them. In fact we already know they don't test their changes and don't care about them working. We got proofs months ago.

Werewolf will not be the same anymore. Not until they change their mind. If they do.

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

There is only one white wolf!

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Dat white wolf already finished his path and chances for W4 is as low as chances for decent TES6. Also don't be too limited, Geralt is great character, but still white wolves existed before him and will continue to exist long after Witcher will be remembered only by old gamers.

bakthi · August 2019

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

There is only one white wolf!

There was another White Wolf. They vanished shortly after making a cult classic, but from the ashes:

https://www.bloodlines2.com/

Ashryn · August 2019

My thoughts as well as I set my wolf free. I know a great sadness and I'll now be restricted to only easy play and I've finished it all. Loved my wolf. :'( I was counting on doing harder dungeons, as a solo player, but now there isn't much of a continued future for me. I'll limp along for a while yet, but its becoming pointless to continue.

bakthi · August 2019

So as to not be completely off-topic...

I had only just recently made my werewolf character (stamsorc) when the PTS patch notes first hit. Not pleased, but went ahead with it anyway. It was fun while it lasted. Might try the other morph; might just leave the ulti slotted for passives until getting Dawnbreaker. I hadn't gotten far (only to 30), so I'm sure these changes aren't hitting me as hard as some.

Coincidentally, at around the same time, I had made my zoo sorc character. So yeah, 2/8 got hit pretty hard, and my healer has some relearning to do. But my tanks are doing great...

Qbiken · August 2019

Everyone gets overperforming self-heals (Vigor, Rapid Regen, Healing ward etch.......).............except werewolf.

And on top of that, you can get better single target pressure as a non-werewolf compared to an actual werewolf. So werewolf is subpar in both damage and survivability compared to a non-werewolf.....

At least werewolf can be used in dueltournaments again, since they´re no longer unbalanced in 1v1

GG ZOS

Taloros · August 2019

I only recently discovered the White Wolf morph - only ever tried the black wolf for some reason. But then, I loved it.

Terrorizing the enemy by transforming into one wolf: fun.
Terrorizing the enemy by transforming into THREE wolves: TRIPLE fun!

So sad that morph is useless now.

I hadn't noticed if it was actually more powerful than the black wolf morph - I just liked the optic. But even if it was, a slightly less heavy-handed approach would certainly have been enough to fix any problems.

Katahdin · August 2019

I sympathize with your sadness over the pack leader morph, and I do believe they should not have removed all the damage or at least given it more group utility.

I love werewolves and have my own wolves that are all the black morph.

The pack leader morph should not have been doing more damage than the berserker morph, which is a big reason why it was nerfed.

Ratzkifal · August 2019

I'm pretty sure it will be closed as a quitting thread anyway though. There has been a thread about some PvP montage with "goodbye" in the title for no apparent reason and it was locked because of it. It's honestly ridiculous.

SosRuvaak · August 2019

patch notes spew nonesense.
they reduced the ww basic attacks damage by 17%

then claim they are trying to make werewolf more powerful but also more costly.
????
more costly=less useful. worst patch notes i ever read.

can we go back to when vvardenfel dropped and the ult didnt even work 60% of the time?? that was better in comparison to this.

Heatnix90 · August 2019

Good riddance

todokete · August 2019

Can I have ur stuff

Tommy_The_Gun · August 2019

I already swapped to WW berserker & levelling it up.

(I mean, what other choice of morph do I have lol ).

What is the saddest part though, is in those 2 tiny areas in game where WW was used (low level BGs & IC), you know, the main places where ppl complained about... basically nothing will change. Pre-mades will just swap to WW Berserker & keep killing ppl. Thus I can tell you, the complains will simply "switch" from white wolf to black wolf...

In the solo play however, (overland, soloing n dungeons, vMA & nMA and in solo PvP), the places where by on means WW was OP and what was not the "target" of the nerf - WW players suffered the most.

ZOS carpet bombing missed the military target and hit the populated City...

TankinatorFR · August 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I already swapped to WW berserker & levelling it up. (I mean, what other choice of morph do I have lol ).

What is the saddest part though, is in those 2 tiny areas in game where WW was used (low level BGs & IC), you know, the main places where ppl complained about... basically nothing will change. Pre-mades will just swap to WW Berserker & keep killing ppl. Thus I can tell you, the complains will simply "switch" from white wolf to black wolf...

In the solo play however, (overland, soloing n dungeons, vMA & nMA and in solo PvP), the places where by on means WW was OP and what was not the "target" of the nerf - WW players suffered the most.

ZOS carpet bombing missed the military target and hit the populated City...

That's the same story every time saddly.
I don't understand why every balancing attempt need to be a hammer strike hitting the wrong target.

For what it's worth, it could have been worse. At least, we have yet to discover that the stuff WW have is actually detrimental. One of my character is still stuck with a passive that make him easier to kill if I spend skill points in it, without any counterpart, and ZOS call it a balanced feature. ZOS have already done more stupid "balance pass" than this one. Here, we are "just" talking about destroying a "branch" of WW gameplay, while also nerfing the rest of it.
Yes, indeed, it's worth nothing...

Lisutaris · August 2019

SosRuvaak · August 2019

respected my ww yesterday.
went from 20 kills average bg's to 5 kills average in bg's with ww.
bad times. that -17% really hurt, i cant use werewolf.
bad times for us hircine worshipers.

crazywolfpusher · August 2019

SosRuvaak wrote: »

respected my ww yesterday.
went from 20 kills average bg's to 5 kills average in bg's with ww.
bad times. that -17% really hurt, i cant use werewolf.
bad times for us hircine worshipers.

I think what hurt the most besides Pack Leader nerf for both pve and pvp, is the fact the bleed damage doesn't ignore resistances anymore. Now that, plus the -17% light attack nerf...

btw

Katahdin · August 2019

I was still able to clear vMA on my WW.
Only real issue was the cost of the heal on a stam character. 5K magicka is too much.

SGT_Courtney · August 2019

Been playing since launch and started as a werewolf. As I progressed I left my poor pub behind and move on to more meta builds. When Wolfhunter was announced I was so excited to return to Hircine and swore I would never leave but the nerf is too much to bear. I am so sad my wolf is going to be gone soon 😢

Lisutaris · August 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

I was still able to clear vMA on my WW.
Only real issue was the cost of the heal on a stam character. 5K magicka is too much.

Would not call vma an indicator if it's still good for grp content.

I am doing 15-20% more dmg with a stupid/fun build (4 button bow/bow build) than a berserker ww with this patch.
And that's with a big chunk of aoe dmg (on only one target), not only LA spamming ^^
#wwisdead #makeushowlagain #wwhaverights #wearefluffyandproud

ccfeeling · August 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

I was still able to clear vMA on my WW.
Only real issue was the cost of the heal on a stam character. 5K magicka is too much.

VMA is quiet easy to WW , because WW have high both resistances , nothing could hurt them except stage 5 , the mages and archers .
stage 7 the poison archers .

We should focus on a bigger picture , all DLC 4 man HM , all 12 man HM competitiveness .

No doubt all meta builds could beat WW dps easily , WW cannot get any benefits with this patch .
During the WW form , they cannot use Soul Trap , they cannot use VMA DW weapons

, they don't even have single target DOT , it's quiet funny dev Increased the damage of the initial hit of Infectious Claws by 25% Woot , sounds OP , ty !

WW major weapons are LA and bleeding , but dev nerfed them both , increased all skills cost , nerfed the healing , LOL !

Dev , WW are not the meta , they never do , you guys won't see much in trial , 300 ultimates and a timer , damages base on WW uptime .

Unless WW progression guild , 2 tanks 2 healers 8 WW dps , in this case , WW could optimize each other and use the WW passives effectively . How many WW progression guild each platform ? I don't know

I believe the dev won't change their mind , they won't listen