f047ys3v3n wrote: »

PVE dps:
Massive nerf
-Both pets dps were destroyed and every sorc ran at least 1 with many doing both. I will run neither when I currently run volatile most times with twilight in vCR.
-Best major / minor, the major spell power from power surge is now redundant with a mages ability every single mag toon will run for a DOT.
-Sorcs do not have a single target class DOT that is getting buffed so they have a 0 in that category
-Sorcs good class proc, frags, will be hard to justify on a bar filled with the new DOT's as it sort of takes 2 slots since you spend a lot of casts on both bars in a 12 second rotation. The new meta has weaker abilities than the current but more of them so bar space is crunched.
-Can no longer use short duration lightning morph with better AOE because the new DOT durations set everybody on 12 second rotations.
-I expect overall AOE damage reduction of around 65% (other lightning morph + 37% nerf, blockade nerf, volatile off bar) this was sorcs strength and it will be terrible. It really will do significantly less than half the AOE dps damage. Think about that, all those cleave stats that virtually every trial strat has. Toss them all out, none will work.

PVP:
Well if you ran pets it's a nerf as you lost a significant part of your kit. However, that new streak is very strong, strong enough to be class defining with the unblockable stun and cheaper multi-cast. Don't get used to it though dollars to donuts it's a one patch change and after that rather than reverse the change they will wreck the entire ability in a way you won't be able to use it at all.

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tolino wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

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Have you actually tested what you’re saying regarding survivability with healing ward and rr? Because i have and my experience is 100% the opposite.

Also burst is worth less on pts due to how high healing generally is.
Sorc tries to pressure an opponent into mid health then burst them from there. On pts this is way harder than it is on live due to the increased healing.
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These statements contradict each other.
Wiht the new surg (proc also from critheal) Sorc have a "good" answer against Dots. (Dots and heal are overperforming)

No they don’t. Because sorc does not have synergy with healing compared to other classes nor do they have the barspace to slot rr ward surge and dots alongside their normal mandatory skills.
Generally means in this case on most classes - light armor sorc is an exclusion to that on pts compared to the healing capabilities of any other mag class (magblade being 2nd to last but cloak being massively better at dealing with dots).

Which basically settles my case of - you’re someone talking only theory without practical experience on the pts.

Not even going into the debate of surge in nocp where crit is very limited and as a result the effects of surge aswell.

I don’t have a strong view in this issue in general, but some of this post strikes me as a bit odd. You’re basically saying Magsorcs are in bad shape because, while they have access to newly buffed abilities other magicka classes will use, they have other “mandatory” skills they’ll use instead. All that means is that magsorcs have better class abilities than other mag classes, because apparently those other classes don’t have “mandatory” abilities they’ll run instead.

I guess the point can make sense if it’s just that Magsorcs will be relatively worse off than before because they won’t use some newly buffed abilities. But if they aren’t using newly buffed abilities and other classes are, then they’re still probably more powerful than the other mag classes.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Heymexa wrote: »

PVE
It’s stupid to argue about which mana class is worse.
Mana classes are no longer needed. Thanks for the wonderful balance!
Ground Dots - nerfed
Sheilds - nerfed
Matriarch - nefed

Why invite mana dd to the raid if you can invite 8 stam dd?

True. I don't understand why we have 20 threads about nerfed sorcs and only 1-2 threads for current position of other magclasses (magDK, magden, magblade - all are nerfed in U23, despite they were already severely nerfed in U22). 50% of game population are magsorc mains? Well, then re-balances are long overdue. If 50% run same spec, then it is quite obvious that spec provides best result/effort ratio.

Bird is gone for good. Yesterday we had 4 petsorcs in trial, it came to situation where other dds don't want to stay in group with sorcs cause you won't see anything from 2-3-4 flappers. Separate sub group for matriarch users lol.

Magicka requires resource-wide buffs, not sorc-specific buffs.

Magsorc is the only class that got hit in pvp and pve both. The other mag classes benefit from parts of the patch in atleast in pvp.

But other classes were nerfed in previous patch (U22), while sorcs almost avoided that. Don't tell me that removal of wings and permasnares in U22 didn't make magsorcs life easier. As well as nerfs to stamblade gankers in PVP and magblade in PVE which cleared way for sorc to literally run amok.

Still, I am not advocating nerf of magsorc as a whole, I just agree with ZOS on nerf of matriarch and think that ZOS must give some notable buff to magicka damage output, all classes wide. This is really easy to implement, for example in magic guild passives...

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

They need to give the base morph both majors.