Vapirko wrote: »

My money is on very little to no improvement with a side bet on everything gets worse in a couple months after theyre done.

Yes, it's also possible, as always.

todokete wrote: »

If there's no new content I might just unsub from eso plus

They have not said, so the base assumption is that there will be no change to the DLC and Chapter schedules.

Remember that some of this stuff has probably been in the works for more than a year, perhaps two, at this point. This list has some old news that they are finally telling us when we can expect it to be released.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Still zero mention of even remotely adding cheat detection to the game.

No, and I would not expect this, given the magnitude of the performance work.

I really hope this is true, but us console players have been burned too many times in the past over “performance improvements” to get our hopes up too high. If they can actually pull it off, though, kudos to ZOS. Game performance is at dumpster fire level, so they’ve got quite the uphill battle.

so after 5 years and nerfmire 2.0 they finally want to fix there game lol wtf better late than never I guess

max_only wrote: »

So this is why they don’t talk to us. When they actually say something it’s all “yeah right I’ll believe it when I see it”
Or “did you pay people to be there”

This is why reasonable requests can’t get in, because of all the negativity. Have they earned your disbelief? Maybe they have. Things change, companies change. How about trying to be optimistic as a radical idea. Until they start dodging responsibility on collapsing sweat shops maybe we could vilify zos less?

If I get accused of whiteknighting with my record of complaints I swear to Azura....

There's a Swedish saying which roughly goes like this in English: "The way you make your bed is the way you sleep in it"... I think the proper comparable English saying is "You reap what you sow".

I find both sayings rather valid here, I'm sad to say.

So the timeline for consoles for that is 2021/2022 right?

Exciting.

Facefister wrote: »

When other studios announce a new game for 2020, ZoS announces performances patches.

ZOS announced a new game at E3...

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Hindsight is definitely 20/20.

Frankly, I hope they resolve performance problems once and for all in 2020.

It's great that the customer always wins. Now we have damage control by "maybe" doing performance improvements that should have been done while the game was in Beta. And literally promised always since then with 99% of things not happening. Your getting famous in the tech world ZoS for class leading things that no gaming company wished they were known for. Most expensive game around. Worst CPU bound game out of any. If not the most buggiest game around it is definitely a massive contender. And so many other awards that should be given out. At least Rich admitted if they were to start making the game a few years back on ESO live they would have chosen a different engine. ESO had no real better options of engines at the time when making of this game began. Todd made himself look sooooo stupid when he announced other games including ones claimed to not be started yet will be using the same engine. That was before Fallout76 was released and many people expecting the broken mess it was. I bring most of this up because the next Elder Scrolls game will also use the same engine that is now many decades old. Even Skyrim was and is still known for being so buggy. If like these last 2 TES games which took around 7 years of production with 700 full time staff prior to the game even being available on Beta. It kinda seems obvious how sad it will be for the next TES game using the same overly outdated engine. And i don't see that kind of dedication coming from triple A companies in this era. Most are to afraid to even make a new game. Hardly anything announced is not some re-make or sequel. Only 1 game i can think of will be new in the next year from triple A game companies. AI enemies coming from the leading triple A gaming companies, oh no. That is way to risky. Shareholders don't like risk and they matter most. Now we are getting the most advanced AI players from non triple A companies. Now the single death animation looks like such a joke. Even more so when our corpses float around the games using this engine in all its modified versions. This engine will get buggier the more it has to do. An example being basically every patch when something is touched will break and stay broken for months, years or still never fixed.

Do i need to buy a new PC to not drop FPS in the 30's...when standing still in any city!? Can i get an increase in FPS when using a graphics card form a really old 290x/970 upwards or anything up to the most powerful 2080ti?!. I'd say that was only at 1080p but even on triple screen my FPS did not change at all in eso only, when replacing my 290x with a $700 Vega64 Strix OC edition. (about double the FPS in every other game) I'm literally not playing this game since any combat is aggravating along with a list of issues that seems hard to even get all done now things have been left so long. And the reason i demoted myself from being a GM, for the 2nd time. Just things like simple weapon swaps take longer then the time i can hit the button and move my arms to over a 1 metre distance before any visual weapon swapping starts. Or shall i just keep the PC i have and play max settings in all other games on triple screens and never drop below 60 FPS with online latency so good no one can tell what server they are placed on. Even when in game speeds are over 300kph. 1cm accuracy no problem.

Giving us much more info on these optimisations or rather the attempts of improving them will go a massive way. Will CPU load be reduced in some way, more multi-core enhancements perhaps?! or does it mean other things that won't help that issue and would i still need to replace my PC to only improve ESO?! AND more importantly. How much will these improvements help. Even roughly. Is it looking like being 1% to 2%. Or maybe 50% to 150% bringing ESO up to what the average is for other games. Promise of improving that since multi core support was enabled years back has still not had any improvement at all. We really need more information on these apparent improvements since us players that have been around for years have heard this stuff constantly and can't really remember not being let down.

Also for the players going on PTS to help fix the game. Microsoft and Sony have already approved patches prior to us getting them on PTS and announced to us. They only allow for game breaking changes to what gaming companies submit. The process just from those companies to be on console is a good 3 weeks in itself. I speculate they now have to adhere to Stadia requirements from Google. I did the rough math and currently ESO on Stadia will be a total disaster. The CPU power is so low for what this game needs and won't be able to utilise the great graphics power of Stadia. Then add in even more lag to what we get. Telling ZoS we don't like a change they made with out us players after it is announced and on PTS is already past the point of change. Actual game breaking changes are about all that will be altered if at all.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

I'll believe it when I see it. They've been saying that they're "working on it" for years.

You realize they formed zos since before fallout 3 was released? So they were working on the entire game before then. Performance improvements dont happen over night. So yeah, most likely have been working on it for years.

ATomiX69 wrote: »

Well, cya next year I guess lol.
Performance has been bad since morrowind which was 2 years ago and ! now ! they decided to think about performance improvements (that memory management one doesnt count) which will roll out 2020 Q1, yeah sorry but thats a bit too late for my liking.

I think its fair to acknowledge that when it comes to a game this large and this complex. They cant go around hacking and sawing off pieces of the game to improve performance with no regard to the overall games stability. As Matt said, the games been a thing since 2012. Thats mountains of code that could easily trip up the whole game with some minor mistakes.

Regardless of where you stand on the topic of performance. ZOS communicating their intentions, their timeline is a good thing. And they should be encouraged to continue with this sort of behavior in the future. All too often companies keep mum about anything they have in the works and wont openly acknowledge their internal timeline. Because players get it in their heads that those timelines are set in stone and give developers hell if those deadlines arent met or things need to be shaved off.

Too often Ive seen Studios attempt to be open with the community about its plans only to have angry players shout them down and they retreat back to staying silent. I really hope that that toxicity that the ESO community can be capable of doesnt rear its ugly head in this instance. And just maybe the community and ZOS can have an honest discussion about their plans without it devolving into name calling and hatefulness.

I don't really have performance issues with ESO (strange, I know), but if it takes up less space on my SSD, that'll be a good thing!

Also looking forward to the reworked group finder.