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One hand and shield weapon changes are ridiculous
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Ivan04✭✭✭✭And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
I'm sorry, but you're just exposing yourself as a bad player when you say stuff like that. Sorry if it might sound mean.Edited by Ivan04 on July 27, 2019 3:38PM1 -
Prutton✭✭✭Those changes are a buff to tanks in pve, and solve the major defile problem in pvp. I don't see why anyone would complain about that, other than being a pvp player that relied on that to duel.1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
I'm sorry, but you're just exposing yourself as a bad player when you say stuff like that. Sorry if it might sound mean.
Just because it can be done manually doesn´t mean everybody does.
Just because it can be macroed doesn´t mean everybody does.
For me this whole things reminds me a bit of when restoration staff lost it´s 10% dmg done passive way back in 2014. It wasn´t meant as a dps weapon of choice then.
It´s the same thing now.<Noricum>
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lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭The shield bash ability is going to be really strong with Stamdens full stacked timed with beetles.
I thinks the s&b play style with still be strong just slower and my timed.
And your thought about shields not being weapons shields where used offensively as well.
And I’m already happy with my Magdk Enjoy my 10k whips to the medium armor buildsEdited by lucky_Sage on July 27, 2019 3:51PMDC PC NA
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Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭Now all of the S&B robots might actually figure out they've been lied to for the past 2 years because they actually aren't good players lmao.
Imagine thinking it was ok for S&B to be the strongest damage in PvP while still being the tankiest hahahahaha
Most of the people using SnB are actually good players. You take away their sword and shield and they will still whoop your a$$. They only used it because it was the most optimal setup, not because they're bad.
No they are not! Super easy play style to right click 80% of them in cyrodiil straight up hold it down. There are some very skilled players that use it, however it's used as a buff and debuff bar in that case.PVP DEADWAIT
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Ivan04✭✭✭✭I strongly doubt anyone at all will use the new Power Slam, the tooltip is basically insignificant and overall dps would be lower than spamming ransack.0
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭SnB hand cancerous dps. It is supposed to be tanking weapon combination. Nicely balanced now.1 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭It is supposed to be tanking weapon combination.
It was never "supposed" to be tanking weapon combination. Because ESO is different from other MMOs and doesn't pigeonhole players and classes into one role. That's why so many different weapon combinations are available to a multitude of different playstyles, throughout PVP and PVE, or at least that's how it used to be. That was the general concept, ESO was supposed to provide more freedom in buildcrafting compared to other games. But I guess the playerbase wants to play 20 year old games, so they're pro homogenization.
Edited by Ivan04 on July 27, 2019 6:14PM4 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭Threads like this are pointless, because these forums are full of clueless and biased players unfortunately... Sad.2 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭At least we'll bring the devs attention to the problem, or we might. I remember when in DB they wanted to remove stun from Reverberating Bash, now they're basically trying to do the same.0
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
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So you have no idea.
Go PTS and test it. The skill is good, doing strong damage.
You can just no longer get best offensive + defensive buffs and debuff in 2 skill coupled with best offense (bash) and defense.2 -
msalvia✭✭✭✭Don't you think it had something to do with the most defensive, tank weapon being used by basically every competitive stam pvper? Numbers don't lie. And if you're basically required to play SnB in pvp or lose, expect a nerf. That always what happens when something is too dominant. Change is hard.2 -
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭One hand and Shield is not just a tank weapon though it’s actually that most popular weapon of all time. Now that’s mostly been a Spear and shield max reach and a shield but this could be the most common melee weapon.
I’m not a fan of the tank builds but that makes the most sense to wear heavy armor with a sword and shield. Your DPS is zero when you’re die.
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Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...Edited by Skoomah on July 28, 2019 2:37AM4 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Shoulda named it Necro weapon skill line.Edited by Lokey0024 on July 28, 2019 12:35PM0 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
If you think an offensive + defensive hybrid skill line with a cheap spammable that deals tons of damage with strong snare, 100% uptime for minor main and minor heroism is not cancer, then you either are superbly bias, or know nothing about this game; not to mention the instant stunt with major defile.
I main a stamDK, and even I think S&B build right now is cancer. I had played Fury/7th S&B setup for about 3 months straight, and I can tell you that it felt like I was having some kind of cheat code. I can confidently use any weps, but S&B is by far the most broken wep in PvP right now for certain class setups.1 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...
You are the only one needing to L2P.
S&B is the best offensive weapon because it has the only good Stam spammable and because bash weaving makes S&D dealing more damage than everything else. On live you also have a good stun with major defile.
Competitive Stam players use 2h as a back bar weapon with execute and forward mementum. If you need a bleed then carve is a very strong one.2 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...
Those are for PvE, I think the thread is talking more about PvP though.0 -
RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
Frost knows what he’s talking about...you’re out of place0 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...
You are the only one needing to L2P.
S&B is the best offensive weapon because it has the only good Stam spammable and because bash weaving makes S&D dealing more damage than everything else. On live you also have a good stun with major defile.
Competitive Stam players use 2h as a back bar weapon with execute and forward mementum. If you need a bleed then carve is a very strong one.
L2P if someone is dying to a S&B setup. Way more damage with 2H+Bow or 2H+Dual Wield.3 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...
You are the only one needing to L2P.
S&B is the best offensive weapon because it has the only good Stam spammable and because bash weaving makes S&D dealing more damage than everything else. On live you also have a good stun with major defile.
Competitive Stam players use 2h as a back bar weapon with execute and forward mementum. If you need a bleed then carve is a very strong one.
Only classes that use snb as offensive weapon are stamdk and stamsorc, because they lack good class spammable. They are forced to run snb in fury-7th setup to be competitive, unfortunately forums are full of biased and clueless people like you.Edited by SilverPaws on July 28, 2019 1:46PM1 -
J18696✭✭✭✭✭The sword shield changes are ok the only thing I think got over nerfed was reverb bash I honestly don't know who would complain about it's defile. Defiles are nearly useless as is atm instead it's now a spammable cc that reduces it's own dmg when spammed zos logic0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, what happened was all the PVP nerf threads for SnB. So ZOS listened to PVPers and nerfed the crap out of it.0 -
Cortimi✭✭✭✭✭Lol SnB got buffed. Good players know why.
Because that combined with the ridiculously overbuffed bash glyphs will ensure that bash spam Necroes are legitimately unkillable in any scenario?Xbox NA: Soviet Messiah
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverPaws wrote: »S&B stronger damage than other weapon skill lines? Ahm... L2P issue IMO.
Reverse Slice.
Rending Slashes.
Cleave.
Steel Tornado.
Way more damage.
S&B is for defensive bar. You range or bleed out the tanky types that run S&B.
So much dumbing down of the game because people refuse to gain the experience to reach the top of the learning curve...
You are the only one needing to L2P.
S&B is the best offensive weapon because it has the only good Stam spammable and because bash weaving makes S&D dealing more damage than everything else. On live you also have a good stun with major defile.
Competitive Stam players use 2h as a back bar weapon with execute and forward mementum. If you need a bleed then carve is a very strong one.
Only classes that use snb as offensive weapon are stamdk and stamsorc, because they lack good class spammable. They are forced to run snb in fury-7th setup to be competitive, unfortunately forums are full of biased and clueless people like you.
You also need to L2P.
If you want to kill a decent player, every Stam build (exception for Rollerblade) need 1h&S as offensive weapon, because it's the only spammable that can reliably LAND VS decent players, and also because major defile + buffs and Main is a very good carry.
You don't play at competitive lvl, don't speak about balance.
You only kill potatoes with dizzy or with spin to win
S&B offensive is the best set up for facing every situation in 1vX. It kill noobs and compete at high lvl.
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭The sword shield changes are ok the only thing I think got over nerfed was reverb bash I honestly don't know who would complain about it's defile. Defiles are nearly useless as is atm instead it's now a spammable cc that reduces it's own dmg when spammed zos logic
Power bash is a spammable with 2 morpqs.
One keep it's spammable aspect.
The other become a stun that deal the live damage of reverb + an other live reverb damage when the stun end.
You actually need to choose between best Stam weapon spammable or best damage stun.
If you want the spammable, you got a better Stam fear in warrior skill line.0
