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One hand and shield weapon changes are ridiculous
Ivan04
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One Hand and Shield
Low Slash: Reduced the damage dealt from this ability and the Heroic Slash morph by approximately 31%. These two abilities will also no longer snare targets.
Heroic Slash (morph): The Minor Heroism granted from this morph will now last 12 seconds, up from 9 seconds, to better match the duration of the other bonuses.
Deep Slash (morph):
This ability now hits all targets in a 6 meter radius of your target, instead of only 2 targets in a 5 meter radius.
This morph now deals the same damage to all targets hit, and deals our AoE damage standard.
This morph also retains the 30% snare.
Power Bash: This ability is now considered a “spammable” attack, and adjustments have been made to properly place it in that category.
This ability no longer stuns at base.
Increased the damage dealt by all versions of this ability by approximately 94%.
Reduced the cost to 2700 from 3780.
Reverberating Bash (morph):
This morph retains the stun, with a max duration of 3 seconds, but it no longer applies Major Defile to the target.
The initial hit damage is now halved, and it will deal the other half of the damage when the stun ends. If the target is CC immune, it will not gain the other half of the damage.
Power Slam (morph): Reworked the passive this ability grants.
The Passive granted is now called Resentment, because you’re an angry person when you get hit.
Resentment activates after blocking any attack, and grants you 5% additional damage on your next Power Slam attack. This bonus stacks up to 10 times lasts 5 seconds, but you can only gain 1 stack every 250ms, to match the cooldown of block’s cost cadence.
Puncture:
Reduced the damage dealt by this ability and its morphs by approximately 37%, but reduced the cost to 1350 from 1701.
Increased the duration of the Major Fracture to 15 seconds from 12 seconds to match the taunt duration.
Ransack (morph): This morph no longer grants Minor Ward and Resolve. Instead, it grants Minor Protection for 15 seconds.
Pierce Armor (morph): The Major Breach from this morph now also lasts 15 seconds.
Now for the criticism.
What sense does this make to completely gut a legitimate playstyle? SnB weaving even requires some skill, as opposed to being a ranged caster. What sense does it make logically that I have to mash my opponents with a shield? Wouldn't it be more effective for me to dual wield shields now? Shield is a defensive weapon. Imagine a roman legionary coming up to his opponent and waiting for him to hit his shield before bashing him with his flat shield, while trying to poke him with his crippled dry arm with a literal pencil in it.
We don't want to use power slam as a pvp spammable. It's completely nonsensical. For all I care, even if it would hit for 10k in pvp I wouldn't like it, because it's unrealistic, and there would not be any more snb weaving.
Comment down under if you agree, create your threads to prove your point. This stuff is basically bigger than what we had in DB and Morrowind patches. it's time for ZOS to listen to players, not just to class representatives that enjoy leaking notes.
Edited by Ivan04 on July 7, 2019 4:02AM Low Slash: Reduced the damage dealt from this ability and the Heroic Slash morph by approximately 31%. These two abilities will also no longer snare targets.
Heroic Slash (morph): The Minor Heroism granted from this morph will now last 12 seconds, up from 9 seconds, to better match the duration of the other bonuses.
Deep Slash (morph):
This ability now hits all targets in a 6 meter radius of your target, instead of only 2 targets in a 5 meter radius.
This morph now deals the same damage to all targets hit, and deals our AoE damage standard.
This morph also retains the 30% snare.
Power Bash: This ability is now considered a “spammable” attack, and adjustments have been made to properly place it in that category.
This ability no longer stuns at base.
Increased the damage dealt by all versions of this ability by approximately 94%.
Reduced the cost to 2700 from 3780.
Reverberating Bash (morph):
This morph retains the stun, with a max duration of 3 seconds, but it no longer applies Major Defile to the target.
The initial hit damage is now halved, and it will deal the other half of the damage when the stun ends. If the target is CC immune, it will not gain the other half of the damage.
Power Slam (morph): Reworked the passive this ability grants.
The Passive granted is now called Resentment, because you’re an angry person when you get hit.
Resentment activates after blocking any attack, and grants you 5% additional damage on your next Power Slam attack. This bonus stacks up to 10 times lasts 5 seconds, but you can only gain 1 stack every 250ms, to match the cooldown of block’s cost cadence.
Puncture:
Reduced the damage dealt by this ability and its morphs by approximately 37%, but reduced the cost to 1350 from 1701.
Increased the duration of the Major Fracture to 15 seconds from 12 seconds to match the taunt duration.
Ransack (morph): This morph no longer grants Minor Ward and Resolve. Instead, it grants Minor Protection for 15 seconds.
Pierce Armor (morph): The Major Breach from this morph now also lasts 15 seconds.
Now for the criticism.
What sense does this make to completely gut a legitimate playstyle? SnB weaving even requires some skill, as opposed to being a ranged caster. What sense does it make logically that I have to mash my opponents with a shield? Wouldn't it be more effective for me to dual wield shields now? Shield is a defensive weapon. Imagine a roman legionary coming up to his opponent and waiting for him to hit his shield before bashing him with his flat shield, while trying to poke him with his crippled dry arm with a literal pencil in it.
We don't want to use power slam as a pvp spammable. It's completely nonsensical. For all I care, even if it would hit for 10k in pvp I wouldn't like it, because it's unrealistic, and there would not be any more snb weaving.
Comment down under if you agree, create your threads to prove your point. This stuff is basically bigger than what we had in DB and Morrowind patches. it's time for ZOS to listen to players, not just to class representatives that enjoy leaking notes.
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frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Edited by frostz417 on July 7, 2019 4:58AM45 -
Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.18 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
Your empty assumptions are very silly.
I heavily denounce the snipe buff because that skill is another cancer.. but since it received a 25% damage nerf I was absolutely delighted.
Btw I play magden,magplar,magblade, stamsorc, stamden, magnecro, and stamblade for your information, since you’re going to make pathetic empty assumptions in thinking I’m a snipe spammer.
Regardless, don’t be upset your SnB crutch is being nerfed.Edited by frostz417 on July 7, 2019 5:15AM11 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭I gotta say, homogenizing the game and turning SnB into a pure debuff skill line with extremely conditional (and still tiny) damage is wrong.Edited by Ivan04 on July 7, 2019 5:13AM13
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Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
Your empty assumptions are very silly.
I heavily denounce the snipe buff because that skill is another cancer.. but since it received a 25% damage buff I was absolutely delighted.
Btw I play magden,magplar,magblade, stamsorc, stamden, magnecro, and stamblade for your information, since you’re going to make pathetic empty assumptions in thinking I’m a snipe spammer.
Regardless, don’t be upset your SnB crutch is being nerfed.
why do you play magden,magplar,magblade and magnecro with a bow?9 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
Your empty assumptions are very silly.
I heavily denounce the snipe buff because that skill is another cancer.. but since it received a 25% damage buff I was absolutely delighted.
Btw I play magden,magplar,magblade, stamsorc, stamden, magnecro, and stamblade for your information, since you’re going to make pathetic empty assumptions in thinking I’m a snipe spammer.
Regardless, don’t be upset your SnB crutch is being nerfed.
why do you play magden,magplar,magblade and magnecro with a bow?
Why do you resort to childish replies? You lack any maturity and can’t even provide a logical counter argument to my main point. You literally have nothing to contribute to this thread, just leave.10 -
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✭I had a feeling SnB would be gutted. So many nerf threads about it in the Forum spelled doom for PVP players using SnB setup.
Now SnB is pretty much only good for Tanking in PVE.
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soynegroyque✭✭✭midnightwanderer wrote: »Is it wrong to ask what exactly SnB stands for in this thread?
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Baphomet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Borh good and bad changes!
The 37% reduction on puncture is absurdly wrong. As long as it is a single-target ability, there should be NO nerf to damage! It alteady hits like *** because it has a debuff to it.
I like the changes to low slash where it is now an AoE. As thus, the damage change is warranted.
I also like the changes to shield bash. I expect it to play out powerfully. I also like the change because shields can indeed be used offensively in warfare.- The Psijic Order
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skill or not, there was no reason for SnB to outperform 2h or DW. If you try to tell me it didn't, you're only lying to yourself, and me.
Personally I'm glad it will hopefully just be used as a utility weapon, and is still viable for tanks. It was obviously never intended to be used for DPS.
This is coming from someone who used SnB in PvP as their offensive weapon.15 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Bash weaving isn't a huge skill level above normal LA weaving. You should bash weave with all weapons (at times) anyways. SnB certainly will still be seen in Cyrodiil. Get your last Reverbs in before the bar closes I supposes.2 -
JAwtunes✭✭✭✭Skill or not, there was no reason for SnB to outperform 2h or DW. If you try to tell me it didn't, you're only lying to yourself, and me.
Personally I'm glad it will hopefully just be used as a utility weapon, and is still viable for tanks. It was obviously never intended to be used for DPS.
This is coming from someone who used SnB in PvP as their offensive weapon.
^^ this.7 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Bash weaving isn't a huge skill level above normal LA weaving. You should bash weave with all weapons (at times) anyways. SnB certainly will still be seen in Cyrodiil. Get your last Reverbs in before the bar closes I supposes.
Tbh I dont get where the skill is when bash weaving. Its 3 repetitive clicks u will get used to very fast. Its not like u u got a huge variety of clicks there. Its like people telling me they got over 300 APM in eso... . I'd be impressed if they had 300 APM in a strategy game like starcraft or warcraft 3 where u got like 10times as many hotkeys and click them situationally and need to pull back hurt units while producing and use abilities on 20+ units which are all hotkeyed and u are fighting at multiple locations at the same time...4 -
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✭The S&B nerfs are some of the greatest changes I've ever seen in ESO. Heroic Slash and Reverberating Bash are both ridiculous on live, especially when accounting for the extra defenses, and the damage on bash weaving (even moreso prior to last patch). That skill line no more deserves to be viable for a primary damage source than Resto Staff does.6 -
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What sense does this make to completely gut a legitimate playstyle? SnB weaving even requires some skill, as opposed to being a ranged caster.
All it really requires is an AHK macro that inserts a light attack before every heroic slash, and a bash after. And please dont tell me "you can do this manually". Of course you can. Like you can manually get headshots in call of duty. Doesn't mean there's no aimbots.10 -
JAwtunes✭✭✭✭
What sense does this make to completely gut a legitimate playstyle? SnB weaving even requires some skill, as opposed to being a ranged caster.
All it really requires is an AHK macro that inserts a light attack before every heroic slash, and a bash after. And please dont tell me "you can do this manually". Of course you can. Like you can manually get headshots in call of duty. Doesn't mean there's no aimbots.
Wait, what!? So the streamers LA weaving before every action, even when buffing in their own keep while reading chat, might be cheating??? no way...3 -
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✭@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
You literally know nothing about this player. I don't like them on most posts, but I have never seen them use a bow in game.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..5 -
Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »@frostz417 they weren't
Really? A spammable that did absurd damage, 60% snare, constant minor maim was totally balanced? Or a cc that has on command major defile which both are easily animation cancelled with powerful bash weaves.
And with passives that grant 5% extra weapon damage with extra damage to bashing. Totally balanced... my ass
SnB was the backbone of the tank meta and those who don’t believe that crutched on its absurd Playstyle.
Spoken like true back zerg snipe spammer.
You literally know nothing about this player. I don't like them on most posts, but I have never seen them use a bow in game.
In its long list of classes it play there are stamsorc, stamden and stamblade as well.
By you words it does not use bow.
By its own words S&B is so disgusting it most likely does not use it as well.
What is left is DW + 2h on these.
And I call it a bs.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, homogenizing the game and turning SnB into a pure debuff skill line with extremely conditional (and still tiny) damage is wrong.
You did not see them give resto spammable skills that deal damage, becease it was not intended to be like that; same thing with snb. I think it's about time they provide more weapo skill lines and keep snb as pure defense and resto as pure heal.4
