Maintenance for the week of April 6:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available.
[ESO+ Trial] If you were subbed during the period, what compensation would you prefer
-
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nothing at all thanks, the knowledge that ZOS are actively promoting the game and encouraging people to subscribe is fine in itself, why on earth would I want - let alone feel entitled to - "compensation"?4 -
madeeh91rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Days added to subscription based on the overlapWhat trial?
When was this trial?3 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something elseBouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
Exactly.3 -
dpr999✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
So you would REFUSE compensation were it offered or are you just saying this to sound noble without actual sacrifice.
That's not what he said. If all you want to do now is pick a fight, I suggest you find a different forum.6 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Varaug_Gaming wrote: »well you can always unsub and see how you like the game with 7 days of eso+ a year (minus the furniture statue and the crowns of course)
I'd notice the crafting bag gone rather quickly. Other stuff though....Just in case I ever had to drop my sub I bought all the dlc with the crowns from my sub....so I'd still be able to go everywhere I can go with eso+......0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭1st of all... WHAT THE F....
2nd of all... WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F...
3rd... You can't be serious..... Get a life. And work on your toxic entitlement.Edited by Nyladreas on July 21, 2019 4:15PM11 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Try to follow my logic here:
The purpose of an ESO+ Trial is to encourage new players or non-subscribers to subscribe ...
Correct and this is a big benefit for all that play this game. It seems to be a dose of entitlement that Zos should actually give us something because they promote the game using standard and common means for this industry.
Further, OP rendered the poll invalid by asking two separate questions due to not thinking through the creation of the OP and poll.Edited by idk on July 21, 2019 4:26PM2 -
Delpi✭✭✭✭✭In the begging ZOS give you free crates if you had ESO+ activated. Now, they give you nothing....
"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee..."4 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something elseI prefer that ESO+ subscribers who feel entitled to compensation because of a free trial should, in fact, be banned during the free trial period.
6 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Days added to subscription based on the overlapFree crates for subscribers were major reason for me to subscribe for more than 1 month at a time...
If we got free crate every day for being actual subscribers during free trials, I would be ok with trials lasting forever
But simply adding those days to our exisiting subscriptions would be much easier and fair.
I don't have any use for free tiny statuettes,, and discounts on some of cosmetics in store is too small to be of interest to me. Make it 1 free item from store of choice every month, and at least 50% discount on useful items for subscribers - and I would forget about free crates which we used to get, and get 12-months plan next month
Edited by Fischblut on July 21, 2019 6:49PM3 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something else
Yes, miss the free crates but understand why ZOS stopped with it, people got to much crown gems that only the ones wanted apex mounts contined to buy, majority did not buy crates. Bought crates the two first times, afterwards I have been floating on gems, still has 160 left.quadraxis666 wrote: »It may be true that they USED to do free crates, but I'm pretty sure it's right there in the TOS that everyone accepted without reading that zeni reserves the right to change, remove etc without notice and without substitution or recompense.
And from that the entitlement spawns.
be the changes as they may, OP was never entitled to ***, they were tokens of appreciation that are subject to change. #dealwithit
Still the compensation suck. I say free time would be an simple solution costing little. Kind of pointless but you are compensated, that I want is another story and I can give an list if idiotic stuff Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Free item (e.g., a furnishing) for actual ESO+ subscribers
That just shows that you're unwilling or unable to apply critical thinking to the topic. ZOS remove all weapon skill lines and replace them with Frying Pans and Rolling Pins? 'TOS says they can change anything, deal with it.' ZOS change player death in a way that dying removes a level from your character and other players can loot your corpse and take all your gold? 'TOS says they can change anything, deal with it.' ZOS introduces a purchasable one-shot-all-bosses skill to the Crown Store? 'TOS says they can change anything, deal with it'quadraxis666 wrote: »
Lol entitlement much? Referring to the TOS is the be all end all argument if you really have to go there. Yes, deal with it. They can do whatever they want. You might prefer they didn't do that, but that's what's known as tough ***.
So... asking people what they would prefer is now entitlement?quadraxis666 wrote: »It may be true that they USED to do free crates, but I'm pretty sure it's right there in the TOS that everyone accepted without reading that zeni reserves the right to change, remove etc without notice and without substitution or recompense.
And from that the entitlement spawns.
be the changes as they may, OP was never entitled to ***, they were tokens of appreciation that are subject to change. #dealwithit And I can't believe you really referred to the TOS regarding the topic of removed rewards that were established previously... 'it's in the TOS they can do what they want deal with it' doesn't work as an argument at all. ZOS could delete everyone's characters and change them to a level 1 mudcrab. And if somebody asked on the forums whether people would prefer ZOS to return to the previous system, it would be entitlement because it's in the TOS and they need to deal with it? 
Don't be absurd. 'It's in the TOS' is not a relevant argument. And making forum posts about whether people prefer to go back to an earlier system is not entitlement.
It's fine to hold an opinion that the free crates they had previously given subscribers during ESO+ Trials were unnecessary, and it's fine to think that subs don't need any loyalty perks because the free statuettes and the deals work as a substitute for the free crates. But repeating the appeal that 'it's in the TOS, deal with it' doesn't address the topic at all and just favors confrontational grandstanding by throwing around the 'hurr durr entitlement' buzzword. I'm not saying you can't disagree with OP, but 'the TOS and entitlement' isn't a valid defense against having a discussion.3 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
Edited by Dusk_Coven on July 21, 2019 7:45PM0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
Well thats a false equivalency because you are being compensated for an action outside the relationship that you have established with the company.
That enticement to watch streams is part of their marketing strategy to increase the games popularity off platform the same way having eso+ trials is trying to build it on platform.
Entitlement is thinking you deserve something simply because you want it. The malicious use online is more wanting something more than other people feel you deserve.
The agreement to pay you on platform for actions off platform is not the same as asking for more things on top of what you have already gotten included with your agreement.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.3 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
Entitlement is thinking you deserve something simply because you want it. The malicious use online is more wanting something more than other people feel you deserve.
My point is that people are being hypocritical when there's no fear of loss, and they are using a buzzword to frame themselves as taking the high road when really they would like to be at least treated the same as everyone else -- to get what everyone else is getting.
But if they'd actually lose out by having to make a choice, my bet is they wouldn't refuse.
So supposing they were asked if they wanted to have the same as non-subs, i.e., a number of free eso+ days, would they genuinely tell ZOS what they're saying here? "No, that's fine, I don't need anything just because I'm a sub?"
The responses here aren't about "entitlement" or not. It's about posturing and not being genuine.1 -
RexyCat✭✭✭✭Something elseDusk_Coven wrote: »And would you be upset if someone subbed on the very last day to get the same compensation.
A working version of this mess to patch/Elsweyr would be a step in the right direction.
//RexyCat1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
Entitlement is thinking you deserve something simply because you want it. The malicious use online is more wanting something more than other people feel you deserve.
My point is that people are being hypocritical when there's no fear of loss, and they are using a buzzword to frame themselves as taking the high road when really they would like to be at least treated the same as everyone else -- to get what everyone else is getting.
But if they'd actually lose out by having to make a choice, my bet is they wouldn't refuse.
So supposing they were asked if they wanted to have the same as non-subs, i.e., a number of free eso+ days, would they genuinely tell ZOS what they're saying here? "No, that's fine, I don't need anything just because I'm a sub?"
The responses here aren't about "entitlement" or not. It's about posturing and not being genuine.
I believe this is a false equivalency as well though since no one is getting anything you don't already have. I would understand if the concept were that people who get an ESO+ trial also get a mount or a pet or a stipend of crowns (which they don't get, by the way), but they dont.
For your $15 you get all the perks of eso+ as well as 1600 crowns, while the person who enables the free trial gets 7 days of eso+ benefits with none of the "perks".
Again I understand the feeling that someone is getting something you aren't but if you are a subscriber you are getting exactly what the free trial users are getting, plus more.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Again I understand the feeling that someone is getting something you aren't but if you are a subscriber you are getting exactly what the free trial users are getting, plus more.
Not exactly. They ARE getting something you aren't. A promotion. "We're having a special promotion! But you, our loyal customer base, are excluded. Sorry. Thanks for maintaining your subscription by the way."
It's one thing to have, say, a discount on an item as a promotion. As a loyal customer or not, you can still participate by simply buying the item at a discount.
It's another thing to say, "Hey, we're giving out free samples. But you, our loyal customer, can't have one. Sorry."
If that happened in real life, I'd be people would feel some degree of upset.
But here, people are using a buzzword for posturing.3 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Again I understand the feeling that someone is getting something you aren't but if you are a subscriber you are getting exactly what the free trial users are getting, plus more.
Not exactly. They ARE getting something you aren't. A promotion. "We're having a special promotion! But you, our loyal customer base, are excluded. Sorry. Thanks for maintaining your subscription by the way."
It's one thing to have, say, a discount on an item as a promotion. As a loyal customer or not, you can still participate by simply buying the item at a discount.
It's another thing to say, "Hey, we're giving out free samples. But you, our loyal customer, can't have one. Sorry."
If that happened in real life, I'd be people would feel some degree of upset.
But here, people are using a buzzword for posturing.
You are talking about an item and a service now as if they were the same thing, they are not. The free "sample" is a service, its not a tangible thing.
So what you are saying is that other people who do not pay for the service are getting access to the service for free for 7 days, and because you paid for that service for 30 days you want 37 days of service?
The thing is though, ESO+ has other perks included in that service which are "tangible" items, namely the crown stipend and the small statues each month. These are not included in the free trial.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.3 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something elseDusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
Entitlement is thinking you deserve something simply because you want it. The malicious use online is more wanting something more than other people feel you deserve.
My point is that people are being hypocritical when there's no fear of loss, and they are using a buzzword to frame themselves as taking the high road when really they would like to be at least treated the same as everyone else -- to get what everyone else is getting.
But if they'd actually lose out by having to make a choice, my bet is they wouldn't refuse.
So supposing they were asked if they wanted to have the same as non-subs, i.e., a number of free eso+ days, would they genuinely tell ZOS what they're saying here? "No, that's fine, I don't need anything just because I'm a sub?"
The responses here aren't about "entitlement" or not. It's about posturing and not being genuine.
No one would refuse anything free - and I don't think anyone in their right mind would have possibly made that leap in logic unless they were simply wanting to bait an argument on the matter.
If they gave something free to current subscribers during the trial event, fine. I honestly couldn't care less what that something is.
If they DIDN'T give anything during the trial event, that's fine too. I don't need compensation for subbing while other folks get it free for a week to encourage more players to sub. I simply don't get all butt hurt that someone gets a little something for free that I already paid for. If it helps the game - I'm 100% on board.
Do you understand? Nothing hypocritical, nothing noble, and I don't feel I need to have everything that everyone else gets. I don't watch twitch streams or anything else of that matter and don't care that I don't get the freebies from it - so your point (or lack of a valid point) there is completely lost on me.
5 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You are talking about an item and a service now as if they were the same thing, they are not. The free "sample" is a service, its not a tangible thing.
Service yes. So the "item" is time.The thing is though, ESO+ has other perks included in that service which are "tangible" items, namely the crown stipend and the small statues each month. These are not included in the free trial.
Fair enough.
0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Let me guess. When you stand at McD's and pay for your burger, and you spot a child next to you paying their meal with a promotional voucher, you start screaming?8 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »No one would refuse anything free
Exactly.
But what these people are saying is, if they were offered something for free, they'd say "No I don't want anything."
And my point is, that's hypocritical posturing.
Edited by Dusk_Coven on July 21, 2019 10:58PM2 -
Bexy✭✭✭I don't want a compensation BUT I must admit that I did like the times when we got Crates during free trials, it was fun.2 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
So you would REFUSE compensation were it offered or are you just saying this to sound noble without actual sacrifice.
If the compensation in their view is not warranted why would they accept it other than to leech free stuff?
Like, if someone came to me and offered me compensation for something that doesn't require compensation I would tell them to keep it because its unnecessary whether it be a game, a company or a person.
People live by their own standards/morales you know, people aren't universally entitled to compensation simply because 10 people think so but another 100 disagree. Its like apologising when you've done nothing wrong even though you tell someone they have nothing to be sorry for.Edited by xeNNNNN on July 21, 2019 9:56PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something elseDusk_Coven wrote: »All you people saying it's entitlement to simply want what everyone is getting -- i.e., the first option, to get overlap days...
Have you already unlinked your Twitch and Bethesda Accounts yet so you're not an "entitled millennial" for wanting the free crates everyone else is getting? Just for watching a Twitch stream for the game you love?
I never had them linked. I don't watch people play a game I play myself. Well, I don't watch people play games I DON'T play either - stupid crap.4 -
ZephyrWestwind✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Again I understand the feeling that someone is getting something you aren't but if you are a subscriber you are getting exactly what the free trial users are getting, plus more.
Not exactly. They ARE getting something you aren't. A promotion.
It's another thing to say, "Hey, we're giving out free samples. But you, our loyal customer, can't have one. Sorry."
If that happened in real life, I'd be people would feel some degree of upset.
But here, people are using a buzzword for posturing.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If that happened in the real world people would be up in arms. Just imagine if a cable company offered a free month of a channel like HBO, Max etc and the people that were already paying for them would get nothing. They would be up in arms, revolt, blood in the streets... Wait a minute, that already happens and people don't care. My mistake.
Just one obvious example.
You are correct that no one would turn down some kind of free bonus, but it is wrong to expect or demand it. To think that this type of promo/giveaway/incentive doesn't happen every day in the "real world" to promote new business without the same promotion applying to existing customers is naive.
1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something elseZephyrWestwind wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »Again I understand the feeling that someone is getting something you aren't but if you are a subscriber you are getting exactly what the free trial users are getting, plus more.
Not exactly. They ARE getting something you aren't. A promotion.
It's another thing to say, "Hey, we're giving out free samples. But you, our loyal customer, can't have one. Sorry."
If that happened in real life, I'd be people would feel some degree of upset.
But here, people are using a buzzword for posturing.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If that happened in the real world people would be up in arms. Just imagine if a cable company offered a free month of a channel like HBO, Max etc and the people that were already paying for them would get nothing. They would be up in arms, revolt, blood in the streets... Wait a minute, that already happens and people don't care. My mistake.
Just one obvious example.
You are correct that no one would turn down some kind of free bonus, but it is wrong to expect or demand it. To think that this type of promo/giveaway/incentive doesn't happen every day in the "real world" to promote new business without the same promotion applying to existing customers is naive.
True. We've been subbed to DirecTV since 1994. They have promos all the time. We don't qualify. However, whenever our receiver goes out, they send us a free one as a "great customer" gesture....1
