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[ESO+ Trial] If you were subbed during the period, what compensation would you prefer
Dusk_Coven
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And would you be upset if someone subbed on the very last day to get the same compensation.
[ESO+ Trial] If you were subbed during the period, what compensation would you prefer 130 votes
Days added to subscription based on the overlap
40%
52 votes
Free item (e.g., a furnishing) for actual ESO+ subscribers
25%
33 votes
Something else
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45 votes
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Try to follow my logic here:
The purpose of an ESO+ Trial is to encourage new players or non-subscribers to subscribe ...43 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something elseI don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.41 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
So you would REFUSE compensation were it offered or are you just saying this to sound noble without actual sacrifice.5 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something elseI'm saying that it is unwarranted and unneeded.
I sub because I enjoy the game and ZoS bringing more people to the table is a good thing. I need nothing nor do I deserve anything for their actions.
Compensation implies that I am being being given something in return for something I lost. That is not the case.
It has nothing to do with being noble, it's about the fact I don't feel entitled to anything. YOU put the poll out there - did you just expect everyone to blindly agree with you? Sorry to disappoint.
Edited by Bouldercleave on July 21, 2019 12:57AM27 -
bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Free item (e.g., a furnishing) for actual ESO+ subscribers
Actually it was common practice that ZOS gave subscribers free crown crates during ESO+ Trials.Entitled, much?
Bringing in new players is just as important as showing appreciation for a loyal paying customer base.
While I'm sad that they removed the sub rewards from the trial (nothing to do with entitlement simply confusion over why a previous perk was removed for seemingly no reason) I do believe that they added the ESO+ items and deals as a substitute. We do get the free statuette (which is nice, not as nice as the free crates but it's something) and we get that every month independently from ESO+ trials.20 -
lillybit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We already get compensation in the form of crown store freebies and discounts. They even said as much here on the forum tho I'd struggle to find it now - they wanted to move away from extras based on events like ESO+ trials to a more consistent give away scheme. We used to get free crates, now we get a dinky statue once a month!PS4 EU2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't need any additional compensation.
It might be nice if they offered up something, but I'm not worried at all if they don't.6 -
bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Free item (e.g., a furnishing) for actual ESO+ subscribers
But the actual ESO+ compensation during ESO+ trials has a precedent, OP didn't come up with that demand by himself. ZOS set that precedent. While they allowed players to try ESO+ for free, they usually gave free crates to people who were already subs because, I quote: 'To show our appreciation for existing ESO Plus members'. So it was rather jarring when they removed that appreciation for future ESO+ trials.quadraxis666 wrote: »OP is everything that's wrong with modern times and such...
It's not a matter of entitlement, just shady. ZOS removed the free crown crates for the same reason they removed the free crown crates from the start-of-a-new-season event where everybody could earn 3 free crates, and just like they removed the free crown crates from the login rewards. Now, I do believe that ZOS added the ESO+ statuettes and the deals as an alternative reward for subs, which is why I don't think the sub-rewards-during-ESO+-trials needs to be a thing anymore, but can everybody please recall that this sub reward was actually a thing, before they accuse OP of being an entitled idiot or whatever.15 -
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✭It may be true that they USED to do free crates, but I'm pretty sure it's right there in the TOS that everyone accepted without reading that zeni reserves the right to change, remove etc without notice and without substitution or recompense.
And from that the entitlement spawns.
be the changes as they may, OP was never entitled to ***, they were tokens of appreciation that are subject to change. #dealwithit7 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something elseI'll take any freebie they throw at me, but I don't expect anything for that. I'd be happy with new players joining the game and keeping it healthy.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Free item (e.g., a furnishing) for actual ESO+ subscribers
So... asking people what they would prefer is now entitlement?quadraxis666 wrote: »It may be true that they USED to do free crates, but I'm pretty sure it's right there in the TOS that everyone accepted without reading that zeni reserves the right to change, remove etc without notice and without substitution or recompense.
And from that the entitlement spawns.
be the changes as they may, OP was never entitled to ***, they were tokens of appreciation that are subject to change. #dealwithit
And I can't believe you really referred to the TOS regarding the topic of removed rewards that were established previously... 'it's in the TOS they can do what they want deal with it' doesn't work as an argument at all. ZOS could delete everyone's characters and change them to a level 1 mudcrab. And if somebody asked on the forums whether people would prefer ZOS to return to the previous system, it would be entitlement because it's in the TOS and they need to deal with it? 
Edited by bluebird on July 21, 2019 1:34AM6 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bringing in new players is just as important as showing appreciation for a loyal paying customer base.
More than this -- which in itself is good business sense -- but people can actually get by without the Crafting Bag with various not-bannable-exploits like inventory mules and fake storage guilds, and just shove everything into the Crafting Bag during free trials.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5d5vt7/how_do_you_play_without_crafting_bag/
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/7o4scu/you_dont_really_need_the_crafting_bag_i_used_to/
With the ability to gift DLCs there's less and less reason to actually subscribe. Even if you don't unlock DLCs, you can milk the free period for all sorts of stuff https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/9xiyym/10_easy_things_you_can_do_during_the_free_eso/
Not so much a matter of entitlement but a feeling that what you bought just got devalued during ESO+ Trial.
Or at the very least, could a sub just get what everyone else is getting? 7 days of ESO+ for free?Edited by Dusk_Coven on July 21, 2019 4:54AM6 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Something elseWhy? They give eso+ free to a bunch of stranger, how does it even affect me?
Sure i do pay for eso+ but not because im forced to or anything, i pay because i want to.
Sure if they give something ill be happy but i wont ask them to6 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Something elseNot worth geting mad that someone else is getting something you have for free for less than a week.8 -
O_LYKOS✭✭✭✭✭
✭wait, so if you have paid eso plus then they give a free eso plus trial to entice players to sub, you feel you're entitled to some sort of compensation?
God dam millennials.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll17 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭wait, so if you have paid eso plus then they give a free eso plus trial to entice players to sub, you feel you're entitled to some sort of compensation?
Only if you frame it that way with the E-word.
I figured some people might just want what everyone else is getting -- 7 days for free.
Next time they offer you something, decline it if you don't want to feel entitled I guess. You can start by disconnecting your Twitch and Bethesda accounts. Why should you be entitled to crate drops for watching their channel?Edited by Dusk_Coven on July 21, 2019 7:39AM2 -
dengodadegen✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
This made me smile, you put it so delicately and precise i can only agree !
For me, this is the best game i've found that can make me leave reality after work.
have a great day- If it don't fit don't force it -
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BrooksP✭✭✭wait, so if you have paid eso plus then they give a free eso plus trial to entice players to sub, you feel you're entitled to some sort of compensation?
God dam millennials.
Offering promotions to new and existing customers isn't a new concept, it is beneficial from a business standpoint as it entices new subs and solidifies existing... It is also a precedent they already started. Also reading the OP, they aren't DEMANDING compensation, they are simply asking what is preferred, which is considered feedback given past events.
But nah just some dam entitled millennials.Edited by BrooksP on July 21, 2019 7:56AM4 -
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✭I don't know how players cope without the eso plus perks. I feel sad for players that cannot sub for reasons I don't know about. Perhaps they are kids that dont have credit to pay for the sub or adults that can't afford it idk but I feel empathy for those players because it's rough trying to fit all those mats in your bag and if you dont have the merchant and banker well it even makes it harder especially when you do dungeons etc and you get a lot of loot.
If anything I feel very😢😢😢sad knowing that some players get to trial eso plus only to lose it again when the trial is finished...they get to experience how amazing eso plus is then boom...it's gone. I definately dont feel hard done by when others get to trial eso plus. If more players subbed then the game would generate more money which would mean more money going back into eso too.Edited by wishlist14 on July 21, 2019 8:50AM2 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think at various times I've been in every possible circumstance surrounding this: subbed during a trial with rewards, subbed during a trial without rewards, not subbed during a trial and at least once I bought a sub to get the additional rewards.
I don't miss the additional rewards, but it does mean I don't even think about subscribing as a result of the trial because there's nothing of interest to me.
I buy the DLC I want so all I get from trials when I'm not subscribed is a chance to tweak the dyes on costumes and dump materials into the crafting bag - so about 20 minutes of mostly loading screens as I switch characters and I'm back to playing normally. And of course if I have a sub during the trial then it's completely irrelevant. But I understand it's not aimed at me.
I suspect that, just like they trial the sub hoping some people will discover they like it and pay for it, they also used to give out crown crates hoping some subscribers would discover all the amazing things they "could" get from them and buy more. I also suspect that (given crates mostly drop trash) that didn't happen and that's why they gave up on the idea.
But it does mean they're missing out on people like me buying a sub I don't otherwise want for the rewards.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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He's saying he's not ENTITLED .. what don't you understand about that?Dusk_Coven wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't feel entitled to compensation of any kind for subbing during a time that ZoS is trying to bring more people on board.
I don't need to be bribed to play a game that I really like.
So you would REFUSE compensation were it offered or are you just saying this to sound noble without actual sacrifice.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The entitled word is a trigger for a lot of people now. It's thrown around on the internet as the first line of defense against a person's idea. AD hominem really is a bad thing and attacking the person instead of discussing the idea isnt productive.
As far as compensation, I feel that I am in a relationship where I give a company money and they provide me a service. If they want to enter into a similar relationship with someone else where they provide the same service for free to explain the service, I don't feel I deserve anything extra above what i am already paying for.
I understand comparing ourselves to other people and seeing them getting something we already have bought for "free" can feel like we are devalued. The point is though this system is designed to put hooks into players that do not have the service you enjoy. The more they give away trials of eso+ the higher the pool of people becomes who may subscribe.
In a perfect world the more people subscribing the better the content and systems design. So in actuality they are giving their current eso+ subscribers influx of newer subscribers and also potentially increasing funds spent on tgings that ESO+ user have designated ad pain points.
In the end none of us deserve to be treated special because we purchased eso+. We have a service we Pay for that they provideTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
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So... asking people what they would prefer is now entitlement?quadraxis666 wrote: »It may be true that they USED to do free crates, but I'm pretty sure it's right there in the TOS that everyone accepted without reading that zeni reserves the right to change, remove etc without notice and without substitution or recompense.
And from that the entitlement spawns.
be the changes as they may, OP was never entitled to ***, they were tokens of appreciation that are subject to change. #dealwithit And I can't believe you really referred to the TOS regarding the topic of removed rewards that were established previously... 'it's in the TOS they can do what they want deal with it' doesn't work as an argument at all. ZOS could delete everyone's characters and change them to a level 1 mudcrab. And if somebody asked on the forums whether people would prefer ZOS to return to the previous system, it would be entitlement because it's in the TOS and they need to deal with it?
Lol entitlement much? Referring to the TOS is the be all end all argument if you really have to go there. Yes, deal with it. They can do whatever they want. You might prefer they didn't do that, but that's what's known as tough ***.1 -
Varaug_Gaming✭✭✭well you can always unsub and see how you like the game with 7 days of eso+ a year (minus the furniture statue and the crowns of course)1
