Saril_Durzam wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I killed a streaking pet sorc on a magden last night, ON LIVE!. Nerf magden apparently.

Streak, contrary to dodge, doesnt give you 100% damage protection. Ive killed many sorcs while streaking.

My comment was more sarcastic than serious. With players saying streak is op because they cannot catch sorcs who use it, rather than just ignoring a player that is running away.

MincVinyl wrote: »

@CambionDaemon what do you mean by omni directional? As in it will go in whatever direction you are holding (wasd)?

Yes, so it works exactly like dodge roll, but the Sorc streaks out of harm's way. It would remove the need for shields.

Making Shields like the original wards from the single player games would be much better as well.

Daus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I mean, on live you're right. I don't recommend any further nerfs until we see how they perform after these balance changes though. I am concerned about the changes to healing ward though.

That daus is saying they shouldn´t nerf the class further pretty much means it´s absolutely rekt on pts

I want every class to be competitive. Magsorcs have been overperforming for quite some time so yes I'm for the nerfs they received, but I don't want them to be weak. I don't like streak being unblockable though. Curse, Fury, meteor, streak seems like a pretty unfair combo.

Well they are weak currently on pts due to the nerfs they received ^^

In summerset it was undodgeable fury curse meteor cage frag. Which didn´t reliably kill tanky opponents but alas was op.
Now we have dodgeable fury curse meteor streak. The biggest hitter is no longer guaranteed to hit and the combo can be disrupted.

Idk if i´d call that op. Is breath embers meteor petrify foo whip op?

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

That shield stacking arguement is getting so old. People keep repeating it over and over again, apparently believing repeating it often enough will make it correct and themselves look smart.

Pretty much everything that has to be said regarding how flawed and clueless your reasoning is has been said. The only thing you got right is the problem of the ZOO absorbing many attacks - especially from ranged builds. As for the rest, time to read up on mechanics - for the beginning I'd recommend the earth-shattering paper called "Holy S***, shields are not the only thing that can be stacked" that has been released after over 5 years of research on ESO combat mechanics.

Players whisper and accuse me of "shield stacking" even when I only use ONE shield. People just say it now without having any idea what they are talking about.

One shield and you're shield stacking. One pet and you're a zoo. One Spell Wall and you're a perma-blocker. I've heard lots of whining, and nothing you do will be "fair" because they lose anyway.

It's five years that players cry about PvP magsorcs.

It's five years that ZOS nerfs PvE magsorcs, leaving shield stacking etc. intact.

See the "tiny" connection? They keep violating my class in PvE while doing nothing about it in PvP.

Sorcs play snb, OP, please nerf. Zos nerf SnB
Sorcs play range caster without pet, OP, please nerft. Zos nerf shields
Sorcs, melee aoe, OP, please nerf. Zos remove implusion.
Sorcs play with pet, OP, please nerf. Zos nerf pets.
Sorcs play with destro skill spak, OP, please nerf. Zos change the skill to dot instewd of direct dmg.
Sorcs play fast and moblie, OP, please nerf. Zos snares, immoblizes sorcs and make other classes faster than sorc.
Sorc streak, OP, please nerf. Zos decrease streak range, but penalty on use, and buffs gap closers.

Literaly no matter how sorcs play, there is alway a way for someone to call for nerf. No matter how many times the class gets nerfed, it adapt, hopefully those cry babies adapot as well.

For everyone who asked for sorc nerf, i hope you don't run into one of them next patch, becease they got a big dmg increase and a better combos than before. Brace for unblockable metear, with new streak buff.

jaws343 wrote: »

1) If a sorc is shield stacking constantly while under attack, they are not doing any damage. It takes 3 seconds to apply 3 shields and by the time you apply the last shield, your first two shields are gone while under pressure. And if you cannot do enough damage to a sorc to remove their shields, you aren't do enough damage to kill anyone in PVP.

2) I do not understand the mindset that some people have where they think they are entitled to catch an opponent who is fleeing from them. If a sorc is streaking away, maybe don't follow them? If any player is running away from you and you can't catch them, maybe stop following them. If you can't 1v1 the player you are foolishly chasing, maybe stop following them.

Honestly it's getting a bit much, like right now my builds are incredibly survival heavy and I had a team of players who were up to 90% of the score to win vs the other two teams with a huge lead and they threw the match to follow me around trying to slam me (unsuccessfully).

Like I want to play other builds but I have to deal with these people who become obsessed and go crazy and don't let off because they have some kind of grudge, to such a point where they don't even care about the outcome of the bg.

Cathexis wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

1) If a sorc is shield stacking constantly while under attack, they are not doing any damage. It takes 3 seconds to apply 3 shields and by the time you apply the last shield, your first two shields are gone while under pressure. And if you cannot do enough damage to a sorc to remove their shields, you aren't do enough damage to kill anyone in PVP.

2) I do not understand the mindset that some people have where they think they are entitled to catch an opponent who is fleeing from them. If a sorc is streaking away, maybe don't follow them? If any player is running away from you and you can't catch them, maybe stop following them. If you can't 1v1 the player you are foolishly chasing, maybe stop following them.

Honestly it's getting a bit much, like right now my builds are incredibly survival heavy and I had a team of players who were up to 90% of the score to win vs the other two teams with a huge lead and they threw the match to follow me around trying to slam me (unsuccessfully).

Like I want to play other builds but I have to deal with these people who become obsessed and go crazy and don't let off because they have some kind of grudge, to such a point where they don't even care about the outcome of the bg.

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Stam sorc on bdg is free kill on live. As of mag sorc, every nerf is backward buff. Next patch they will be more offenise than before espically with change to shields and streak.

Witar wrote: »

No matter how hard sorcs get nerfed there's always some less evolved that wants even more nerfs. Guess some people got so traumatized by experience of going against it they just can't stop. Go figure.

I’m not part of the nerf sorc campaign, but just had to say something because it drives me nuts when I see posts like this.

There’s a difference between nerfs and changes. Sorcs are changed a lot, but never nerfed from what I can see. It’s never been like what happened to magblades where things were removed and nothing added in compensation.

Careful what you wish for princess. NB for example, is dying because everyone hated it and complained about it constantly.

If they start chipping away at Sorc they won’t stop with one or two fixes and u know they will not just do it just for PvP. You’re out for blood and want Sorc reduced to dust just like the NB.

If ZOS keeps giving in to these silly ppl who hate everything that provides a challenge then we might as well not have a game.

Might be a l2p issue.

Try a different build, read the latest forums, you know do some research on your own, try something new, hell could even ask your guild for help.

It's like DK Wings ~ We had to nerf that cause playstyle was 'unhealthy' ~ I cannot tell you how many DKs I put down who thought wings would save them. Maybe 2x DKs I went up against couldn't be defeated because they used wings w/ DK melee stuff and it wasn't OP - Everything just worked together for them, like it was supposed to. There was never a need to nerf DK wings. I used to joke about it and tell ppl to just 'rip them off' hah ppl asked me how I liked DK wings and I would answer, "With ketchup and mustard sauce".

Pirate Skeleton ~ Have killed tons of ppl thinking this would save them. Same w/ Templar healers, just let them heal or proc until they die. Pirate Skeleton in fact for many players proved their undoing because they couldn't heal. See what I mean?

Sorc is one of the last really useful parts of this game. And you had better hope Sorc Class lives a nice long time, for when it is gone, the game will go with it.

Daus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I mean, on live you're right. I don't recommend any further nerfs until we see how they perform after these balance changes though. I am concerned about the changes to healing ward though.

That daus is saying they shouldn´t nerf the class further pretty much means it´s absolutely rekt on pts

I want every class to be competitive. Magsorcs have been overperforming for quite some time so yes I'm for the nerfs they received, but I don't want them to be weak. I don't like streak being unblockable though. Curse, Fury, meteor, streak seems like a pretty unfair combo.

That's pretty much the lie of the century.

The fact that you refuse to use cloak as a NB and use your own performance as a benchmark for OPness of a class, combined with the fact that you aggressively ask for sorc nerfs even when NBs clearly outperformed sorcs in both PvE and PvP destroys every last bit of your credibility.