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Dodge roll is broken - video included
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khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I’ve been having this issue for a while now on live. I used to be able to rolldodge/animation cancel certain abilities and idk if that’s what you’re trying to do in your video. But it’s been issue for me since Murkmire. First noticed it with mass hysteria and then with rend. I really hope this is fixed soon. Sometimes I can get lucky and get it to cast when I roll dodge — I thought maybe my timing was off but now I’m starting to think it’s something ZOS has done.0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »Yeah I’ve been having this issue for a while now on live. I used to be able to rolldodge/animation cancel certain abilities and idk if that’s what you’re trying to do in your video. But it’s been issue for me since Murkmire. First noticed it with mass hysteria and then with rend. I really hope this is fixed soon. Sometimes I can get lucky and get it to cast when I roll dodge — I thought maybe my timing was off but now I’m starting to think it’s something ZOS has done.
no at first im just trying to dodge roll, then i was trying to do it with vigor. Its just a delay when you go to dodge roll. You have to block for like half a second, then dodge roll. Doesnt sound like much but its actually awful.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this is a Great start in the right Direction for removing / altering animation canceling that we have been asking for many years.
i hope we see more of this in future patches.2 -
MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭@eso_lags while you're at it you should check to see if this reintroduced the pressing-sprint-and dodgeroll-at-the-same-time-costs-no-stamina bug. It's been a few years, but it wouldn't surprise me.Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.0 -
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Recently we've had to remove a few posts for a bit of flaming, which is against the Forum Rules. For further posts be sure to stay constructive when giving opposing opinions.
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eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭this is a Great start in the right Direction for removing / altering animation canceling that we have been asking for many years.
i hope we see more of this in future patches.
no its not, and neither is adding a stamina cost to jumping. these would be bad changes and would only remove more skill from the game.10 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭this is a Great start in the right Direction for removing / altering animation canceling that we have been asking for many years.
i hope we see more of this in future patches.
"We" more like you but ok.khajiitNPC wrote: »Yeah I’ve been having this issue for a while now on live. I used to be able to rolldodge/animation cancel certain abilities and idk if that’s what you’re trying to do in your video. But it’s been issue for me since Murkmire. First noticed it with mass hysteria and then with rend. I really hope this is fixed soon. Sometimes I can get lucky and get it to cast when I roll dodge — I thought maybe my timing was off but now I’m starting to think it’s something ZOS has done.
Same i was thinking my timing was off but reading here maybe they were doing something with animation before aswell idk.0 -
Nerhesi✭✭✭✭this is a Great start in the right Direction for removing / altering animation canceling that we have been asking for many years.
i hope we see more of this in future patches.
no its not, and neither is adding a stamina cost to jumping. these would be bad changes and would only remove more skill from the game.
No. It would addressing something that was not intended that they've had to live with.
Animation Canceling. Literally, the world itself is indicative of a totally mechanical un-intended effect that has a real functional effect.
It's not reactive skill, or decision making. It's muscle memory and mindless.4 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.4 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
And linking threads from inexperienced players is not a good way to prove your argument. If you dont animation cancel you are not using everything the game has to offer and has had to offer for many years. and if you are not utilizing everything the game has to offer then you are inexperienced. Or I guess you could also say non competitive.
On the competitive side of things, animation canceling is here, has been here, and does a lot for the combat of this game. This is actually beating a dead horse. If you were to remove animation canceling you would kill solo/small scale pvp, not that you would care. You would make combat feel clunky and so incredibly much less enjoyable, like how dawnbreaker and dodge roll are right now. Extremely less enjoyable. You would also cause a mass exodus of competitive players.
Again, as many people have said many times in those threads that you linked, learn to play. Please.11 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
l2p
I imagine if this is intended and goes through, many players will need to do that again.
With the ultimate changes sure, a little bit. Its just bad and pointless. It just makes combat clunky for no reason and if they were going to do this they might as well throw the whole thing out all together and let the chips fall where they fall. It would be an awful choice and ruin many aspects of the game but at least they would commit to it.
Right now it wont be hard to adapt to the ultimate changes but again they are just hurting things like solo pvp where you have to be so precise and calculated. Every thing they do to slow down combat and make it more clunky will hurt us the most. But they dont care.
When it comes to dodge roll, this cannot be intended. Not when the gap between controllers and keyboards is there. I mean I guess it could, but if someone with a keyboard can dodge roll faster, and they can, they have such a massive advantage over a gamepad user. They should just take gamepad mode off pc all together and remove keyboard use from console.
Keyboard already has an advantage but this would be on another level. But even more than that I dont think they can expect people to block for a half second before a dodge roll. Again its just slowing down combat and making things more clunky. Something we would have to get used to, not the same as removing animation canceling all together, and something that will hurt solo pvp more than anyone. Something we are used to.1 -
jhall03✭✭✭✭Sure would be nice if zos would let us know if it's intended or not
Maybe they're being silent because they know people might just up and leave the game without looking back because something like this would be the straw that broke the camel's back. Which might likely be the case for me.
But they're silent about almost everything so I'm not surprised here at all.4 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭@eso_lags This was on keyboard. I used to play on an xbox controller but I switched due to it being required to block before you can dodge wasting stam and for the better target tracking in PVP.
edit: nice nameEdited by Abhaya on July 10, 2019 7:56PMAbhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=1691030 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE11 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
Emma with the heat this morning.
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FlyTy✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.2 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.
Im here since 2014 with the five day early access so idk about that.
Shadow disguise got no change because the game is full of counter for it,in some situation it does literally nothing and is not the same thing with animation cancel anyway.
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Kronuxx✭✭✭✭Please zos, don't keep the delays to animations. What makes ESO so unique is the fluidity of combat, and though unintentional it has been accepted by even you the developers ( @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert ). This is what keeps me and many others coming back to this game... the combat. To change it's essence by adding delays and preventing animation canceling is in essence changing a defining feature of ESO. And when changing a defining characteristic in a game to make it more generic, what then will separate you from other MMO's whose combat is as slow or fluid? I cannot bring myself to play a game where a core defining feature of it (present from it's inception) is now changed. Anyone can animation cancel if they choose to pursue that skill. It's not that hard and it is not an exclusive skill to learn.Edited by Kronuxx on July 11, 2019 5:50PM3
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.
Im here since 2014 with the five day early access so idk about that.
Shadow disguise got no change because the game is full of counter for it,in some situation it does literally nothing and is not the same thing with animation cancel anyway.
Sane thing, streak and shadowy disguis have been the most 2 controvesial skills of all since game first launched, Same thing with animation cancel. If zos wanted, it could remove completly or make it a general skill for everyone to use, same with animation cancel, they could remove it or keep it. As for other changes, upcoming patch for instant, meduim armor is probaply going to be the new king for pvp, snb is useless as offensive tool.
FYI, only reason medium armor become obselate is because people used to use shafful on light armor and heavy armor with old passive dodge chance, after it became medium armor exculsive, zos completly removed passive dodge out of the game and never thought about anything to compensate for that nerf which made medium armor useless, hince tank meta.1 -
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✭✭✭✭+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
Or they are disabled.
I'm not in favor of removing ani cancelling but can we please stop with the rhetoric that people that don't ani cancel are all lazy or skill-less?4 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.
Im here since 2014 with the five day early access so idk about that.
Shadow disguise got no change because the game is full of counter for it,in some situation it does literally nothing and is not the same thing with animation cancel anyway.
Sane thing, streak and shadowy disguis have been the most 2 controvesial skills of all since game first launched, Same thing with animation cancel. If zos wanted, it could remove completly or make it a general skill for everyone to use, same with animation cancel, they could remove it or keep it. As for other changes, upcoming patch for instant, meduim armor is probaply going to be the new king for pvp, snb is useless as offensive tool.
FYI, only reason medium armor become obselate is because people used to use shafful on light armor and heavy armor with old passive dodge chance, after it became medium armor exculsive, zos completly removed passive dodge out of the game and never thought about anything to compensate for that nerf which made medium armor useless, hince tank meta.
Not the same thing cloak and streak are two skill,animation cancel is a feature.
If you change a skill and the class get weaker because of it you can give to the said class a compensation buff or in the case of cloak they can make it weaker(like give it the cost increase for few sec)but more reliable like making it actually a reliable defense skill but harder to counter.
If you remove a feature like animation cancel youre going to impact the feel of the game not only the perfomance of the classes,like for example removing light and heavy attack.
Only because both can be changed dosen't mean they are the same thing.1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.
Im here since 2014 with the five day early access so idk about that.
Shadow disguise got no change because the game is full of counter for it,in some situation it does literally nothing and is not the same thing with animation cancel anyway.
Sane thing, streak and shadowy disguis have been the most 2 controvesial skills of all since game first launched, Same thing with animation cancel. If zos wanted, it could remove completly or make it a general skill for everyone to use, same with animation cancel, they could remove it or keep it. As for other changes, upcoming patch for instant, meduim armor is probaply going to be the new king for pvp, snb is useless as offensive tool.
FYI, only reason medium armor become obselate is because people used to use shafful on light armor and heavy armor with old passive dodge chance, after it became medium armor exculsive, zos completly removed passive dodge out of the game and never thought about anything to compensate for that nerf which made medium armor useless, hince tank meta.
Not the same thing cloak and streak are two skill,animation cancel is a feature.
If you change a skill and the class get weaker because of it you can give to the said class a compensation buff or in the case of cloak they can make it weaker(like give it the cost increase for few sec)but more reliable like making it actually a reliable defense skill but harder to counter.
If you remove a feature like animation cancel youre going to impact the feel of the game not only the perfomance of the classes,like for example removing light and heavy attack.
Only because both can be changed dosen't mean they are the same thing.
What I mean when I say samething is, zos does not care what you think or feel toward anything in this game, and never will. Most people are very upset with the changes this patch, but I'm 100% sure zos would release the dlc as it is with slight adjustment to it. If zos wanted to remove animation cancel, they would not even look back(it's a bug and zos know about, but let people exploite it). Example I mention about streak and cloak is to prove that after 5years, they 2 skills still remain as they are with no significant changes whatsoever dispite the huge up roar about these 2 skills, zos just decided they would keep them as they are and ignored everyone.1 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »
oh thats false by far.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
its not just me, i am among Many ...
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless
if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.
Animation canceling is NOT an "exploit" and has NEVER been described as such by ZOS staff. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Animation canceling is a side effect of ESO's fast and fluid combat system. Removing animation canceling would be highly detrimental to the look and feel of the game. If you can't handle animation canceling, maybe ESO is not the game for you.
+1 for this Emma, the game has been like this forever, changing it would mean a new game. A worse game. A game I don't think I'll want to play. For a Pvp AND Pve perspective this is bad, and I'm not a pver. The only people this benefits are those who don't want to learn how to play the game to be "competitive" (I know using the word competitive in eso is really iffy, but I think you'll get my point), and in turn decide to join whatever zerg that's big enough to have people left over after a fight to rez them when they die hard-casting frags.
I can see their point for animation cancel to be removed whatever it is even if i don't agree with them (they don't like it or they don't know how to use it etc),but if animation cancel is an exploit like someone here said and need to be fixed it should be done before not five years later when the game changed with it in mind.
Oh boy, you seem new to this game. ZOS have done many thing in the past and are still doing things that alter the gameplay for both pvp & pve in big way, they never cared much how you play the game. If they like this bug they keep it, if not, they fix it. Same with everything in this game. 90% of changes that happen every patch are never wanted or asked for by player. One exmaple of many, people complained about shadowy disguised foreber, what did zos do? They first rewirked ther other morph, and starred nerfing/buffing dark cloak while nobody said anything about dark claok and they complerely ignored shadowy disguis.
Im here since 2014 with the five day early access so idk about that.
Shadow disguise got no change because the game is full of counter for it,in some situation it does literally nothing and is not the same thing with animation cancel anyway.
Sane thing, streak and shadowy disguis have been the most 2 controvesial skills of all since game first launched, Same thing with animation cancel. If zos wanted, it could remove completly or make it a general skill for everyone to use, same with animation cancel, they could remove it or keep it. As for other changes, upcoming patch for instant, meduim armor is probaply going to be the new king for pvp, snb is useless as offensive tool.
FYI, only reason medium armor become obselate is because people used to use shafful on light armor and heavy armor with old passive dodge chance, after it became medium armor exculsive, zos completly removed passive dodge out of the game and never thought about anything to compensate for that nerf which made medium armor useless, hince tank meta.
Not the same thing cloak and streak are two skill,animation cancel is a feature.
If you change a skill and the class get weaker because of it you can give to the said class a compensation buff or in the case of cloak they can make it weaker(like give it the cost increase for few sec)but more reliable like making it actually a reliable defense skill but harder to counter.
If you remove a feature like animation cancel youre going to impact the feel of the game not only the perfomance of the classes,like for example removing light and heavy attack.
Only because both can be changed dosen't mean they are the same thing.
What I mean when I say samething is, zos does not care what you think or feel toward anything in this game, and never will. Most people are very upset with the changes this patch, but I'm 100% sure zos would release the dlc as it is with slight adjustment to it. If zos wanted to remove animation cancel, they would not even look back(it's a bug and zos know about, but let people exploite it). Example I mention about streak and cloak is to prove that after 5years, they 2 skills still remain as they are with no significant changes whatsoever dispite the huge up roar about these 2 skills, zos just decided they would keep them as they are and ignored everyone.
I get what you mean with cloak and streak(but skill=/=feature)but streak got a nerf since dosen't have the counter of cloak to stop the skill to do anything and cloak well got many counter in the game.The people that complain about those 2 skill don't have any real argument since if you talk with them they are like "no counter don't work" or other stupid things when on my dk i can counter cloak without a problem for example,only because they want the skill to never work basically.(same goes for streak after the nerf years ago)
And if that is the case(and it is 90% of the time)the skill don't need to be changed.
I mean sure they can change animation cancel etc if they want but they should write about it on the patch note and maybe gave us a reason, after you know when the game was released they said something like"it was not intended but we want to keep it" because people did like it and after 5 years you change it just because?
Did i miss the change to dodge roll etc on the patch note or?if so my bad
Edited by killingspreeb16_ESO on July 11, 2019 11:26PM4 -
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✭I neither am for or against animation cancelling at this point. I think at this point it has become essential because PvP has turned into sarcastaball for tanks, and I think if we increase ability costs higher and then take out animation cancel on top of that you aren't going to be able to cast or attack enough times fast enough to bring down an opponent.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/520903/tomb-of-fps-alteration-magic-everything-you-need-to-know-about-fps
Tome of Alteration Magic II - The Manual of the Deceiver: A Beginner's Guide to Thieving
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462509/tome-of-alteration-mastery-ii-the-decievers-manual-thieving-guide-for-new-characters
Ultrawide ESO Adventure Screenshots - 7680 x 1080 Resolution
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/505262/adventures-in-ultra-ultrawide-an-ongoing-series0
