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Players, if you are so angry or upset, why do you keep playing?

  • JumpmanLane
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    A whole lot of people are quitting and calling it "taking a break" lol
  • Arciris
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    code65536 wrote: »
    We complain because we care.

    If I were ZOS, I'd be more worried if people didn't complain. Because it would mean that they had left and stopped caring.

    Funny enough, I see al lot less people complaining than during Nerfmire. So either people don't care anymore, or they have left already.
  • The_Lex
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    Why does this seem like a thinly-veiled virtue signaling post?

    I dunno, I'm a cynic I guess.
  • burglar
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    A whole lot of people are quitting and calling it "taking a break" lol

    Everyone I know that plays this has recently reached the point of 'I'm so done, I'm not even angry. I'm relieved to not care anymore.'
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  • JumpmanLane
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    A whole lot of people are quitting and calling it "taking a break" lol

    Everyone I know that plays this has recently reached the point of 'I'm so done, I'm not even angry. I'm relieved to not care anymore.'

    Yup. They all seem to have that sense of resignation...
  • Munkfist
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    I continue playing for the social aspect mostly. I've made gold, I've done trials, and I've helped others better themselves at the game. I stick around with the friends I've met over the years, but each patch like this gets harder to justify.

    I keep hoping things will get better, and that there would be more communication between the devs and community. The state of the game is not a pleasant one, performance issues in almost ever area of the game, and I feel that that should be the main focus right now, not ability audits. Fix what's broken first, then address the other issues.

    PVP should never effect the PVE aspect, and vice versa.

    Will be sticking around a bit longer, but it's not as easy as it used to be.
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  • jainiadral
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    Why quit now, when the nerfs haven't hit the main game yet? The play experience today is the same as it was last week. And why not post complaints to ZOS on ZOS' forum? Hopefully, the dismay at nerfs will hit ZOS' collective ears and they'll scale changes back before people might quit.

    The time to point out forseeable and avoidable catastrophe is before it hits.

    Personally, I think the changes stink but I'm not particularly "angry," just a little cynical and jaded :D
  • Kadoin
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    I find the hysteria kind of funny considering every patch my builds almost seemed targeted for nerfs, even the hybrids. All it did was anger me for a short while, then I moved on to a different build and way of thinking, rinse and repeat. Funnily enough, every nerf resulted in me gaining strength as well because I better understood the game and tried things I wouldn't have otherwise. It also helped me see just how broken some things are in this game and understand what needed to be nerfed (like what's in the patchnotes).

    I know it sucks to have to be knocked down from your godly builds, but look at the bright side: you can at least look forward to a game that feels different. You can look forward to maybe actually losing again. You can look forward to uncertainty and experimentation. Heck, even new bugs to exploi -- I mean report! New everything!

    Don't limit your perspective to only the negatives of change when you encounter it, look towards the positive.

    Note: Don't quote this when the patch hits live with changes that nerf me and I rage post...
  • jainiadral
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    Kadoin wrote: »
    I find the hysteria kind of funny considering every patch my builds almost seemed targeted for nerfs, even the hybrids. All it did was anger me for a short while, then I moved on to a different build and way of thinking, rinse and repeat. Funnily enough, every nerf resulted in me gaining strength as well because I better understood the game and tried things I wouldn't have otherwise. It also helped me see just how broken some things are in this game and understand what needed to be nerfed (like what's in the patchnotes).

    I know it sucks to have to be knocked down from your godly builds, but look at the bright side: you can at least look forward to a game that feels different. You can look forward to maybe actually losing again. You can look forward to uncertainty and experimentation. Heck, even new bugs to exploi -- I mean report! New everything!

    Don't limit your perspective to only the negatives of change when you encounter it, look towards the positive.

    Note: Don't quote this when the patch hits live with changes that nerf me and I rage post...

    Y'know, I think I will save your post for later... Told-You-So is my favorite game :D Don't worry, I only play it in my head.

    Losing to me is for platformers, competitive stuff, timed puzzle games, or maybe a rough end boss fight in a single player game. I play this game for storytime and to relax. I don't care about deep system learning or min-maxxing or group content or competitive modes like PvP or trials. I just want to quest and chill.

    Every single skill on my fuzzy-bunny-slippers petsorc toon is getting massive nerfs. I recently finished Elsweyr with her after finishing the main story on my less fun magdk. I'd forgotten how much fun it was to trap everything and nuke it into oblivion while my pets kept the aggro off me. I haven't had that much fun in the game in months. Magden isn't that much fun, and magdk requires a lot of attention and twitch.

    Making me wear the gaming equivalent of platform stilletos isn't something I'll ever look forward to :D
  • TheNightflame
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    To clear this up. if you re angry with something, do you try to fix it? or become ignorant to it and leave it alone. If you're unhappy with the state of things politically, do you move to a new country? or voice your opinions and try to effect change.

    These "if you're angry why are you staying?" threads are so psychologically damaging and not at all what should be allowed on the forums.
  • Attackfrog
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    I am only happy when I am angry!

    And nothing makes me angrier than being happy!
    "You can have fun or you can have safety, but you can't have them both"
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  • WeylandLabs
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    I actually started my 4 year break from ESO a week ago. But I find this extremely entertaining to read all of these angry posts about the direction eso is going.

    I just wish they would have done this sooner. I can adapt to any change in eso except the bias outlooks that devs have for classes - playstyles and abilities 75% of why a player with over 12k hours played is taking a 4 year break.

    But I wish everyone the best 👍Goodluck and keep up the fight. Cause that's what this community is all about. 😂
  • HalvarIronfist
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    So, there will always be SOME toxic, "I'm quitting if you do this!". This isn't the only game to ever have that issue.

    Even if these changes happen, I'll still love the social interactions, questing, and trading/outfit/housing. All of those don't involve being too interactive with the changes I dislike, which is neat.

    But, we also comment because we care.

    In my opinion, all I'm getting out of these changes is that there's general indecisiveness about what skills should be after this game being here for years.

    Players care about the state of the game, that's why we comment and give our detailed feedback. So that ZOS will hopefully hear and respond to the players. Though, there's multiple instances where the ESO community feels its being ignored, and there's a general consensus of doubt that our feedback will make any difference. That doesn't stop us from trying, and being vocal about that feedback.

    If we say, "Hey, this doesn't work", and ZOS chooses to go on with an idea, and it fails. The only logical answer to that is:

    "Hey, these people said this wouldn't work.. Well, they were right." So we may get the changes regardless, but if it's true about how bad people dislike the gameplay following the PTS/update or how 'dysfunctional' it is (for any word), if ZOS doesn't respond accordingly, then they will of course suffer the appropriate consequences.

    Whether that is losing players, getting a lot of general anger from the community, or losing money because people decide to stop their subs/crown purchases until something changes

    We can't do anything but try. If the players don't feel like they're being listened to, they have every fair reason to be disgruntled and not want to participate furthermore.
  • veroxiousvemo
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    code65536 wrote: »
    We complain because we care.

    If I were ZOS, I'd be more worried if people didn't complain. Because it would mean that they had left and stopped caring.

    This. We raise issues, report on bugs and so on because we want to continue playing the game, but if it makes us miserable more than it makes us happy, it doesn't matter how much work and love we have put into it, we will automatically stop caring and let go.
    G'day! | Xbox NA CP2025
  • BigBragg
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    Be more concerned when people stop getting upset.
  • fullheartcontainer
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    I think it's important to note that quitting posts are against TOS for these forums. You see a lot of people complaining because they still care. The people that don't *did* quit, and it's a lot too. They just can't talk about it
  • Priyasekarssk
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    Only and only because they spent some money . That's it. When this game is released people have very high expectations. Its the next game to Skyrim. Still Skyrim and Witcher 3 has more players than this game . Go and check your stats if you want. Why the entire gaming community waiting for cyberpunk 2077?

    Barely I see 1000 people on prime time on pvp. Please don't fool yourself .
    Only thing that saved the face of the game from disaster is overland story content. Agree or disagree that is fact.

    Ask zos to release the next game. You can see how much anticipation that game will have and how many people will play it. Extremely lucky if not fallout 76.
    By the way how paid trolls this forum have ? When you guys are planning to wake up
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on July 9, 2019 10:12PM
  • Chadak
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    It isn't that simple.

    I want to enjoy this game. I've enjoyed it for several years, and it hits a lot of good points for both me and the people I play it with.

    What I do not and will never enjoy is feeling jerked around by quick successions of patches that mess with how a lot of classes work.

    I'd like to be able to feel confident that I can log in and play one of my characters at any time and not have them feel completely messed with compared to the last time I played them, which is sometimes weekly.

    I want stability. Changes are fine, but not constant overhauls and power redesigns and knocking 50% off this and knocking 33% off that and changing durations and changing targeting.

    It's not fun to be in a perpetual alpha test while ZOS tests out every random idea they seem to have.

    The utter absence of consistency alienates me from a game that is otherwise enjoyable.

    I really wish they'd get their house in order, style on a core design, make it do and then stop effing with it like they're five and never learned that it never gets better if you keep messing with it.
    Edited by Chadak on July 9, 2019 7:27AM
  • Comixfan
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    I've unsubbed and won't be returning to the game until they fix the atrocious performance issues currently plaguing Xbox NA.

    I like the idea of making completed skill lines available for alts but I don't like the idea of them charging us for it. We've already put the time and effort in to the game to max out these skill lines. We shouldn't then have to pay to have them on alts.

    I've gone back to playing WoW and have unlocked flying in the new zones. It's available on ALL my characters at NO extra expense.

    If Blizzard can do it, so can Zenimax.
  • Alucardo
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    Without complaining my life has no meaning
  • ezio45
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    To be perfectly honest, its because I use to have alot of fun on this game with all of my guilds and friends and would really like eso to become something I enjoy again.

    I have hundreds of friends on this game. have years worth of time invested into this game. I have thousands of dollars invested into this game. Instead of excitement over patches now though, i despise them. Instead of 16-18hrs a day of playing this game, i play 1 hr every 2-4 days. Instead of getting on doing some stuff with friends, i get on and try to figure out how to make my character halfway usable again from this round of seemingly random nerfs zos handed out as part of their "audit" of making skills just a reskin of similar skills.
  • r34lian
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    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    1 word "addicted"
    2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    r34lian wrote: »
    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    1 word "addicted"

    3 words, sunk cost fallacy.
  • twev
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    r34lian wrote: »
    SammyPeer wrote: »
    The vast majority of posts on the forum that I have read during today's maintenance are negative in nature.

    So I wondered "Why does the player continue playing if they are not having fun anymore?".

    Any thoughts?

    1 word "addicted"

    3 words, sunk cost fallacy.

    Some people are just tired of constantly adapting to capricious changes that are made without thought to how the whole game works.
    And then waiting to see what gets nerfed/buffed making changes to 'fix' the stuff that was unbalanced in the last changes.
    The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.
  • Gilvoth
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    THE LAGG AND HIGH PING IS EXTREME!
  • UnifexMC
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    Stopped playing for now, with little expectation to pick it up again.

    I didn't need a red pill to start worrying when Microsoft purchased the devs for over $7 billion less than 2 years ago. They will expect that, plus interest, over time, to come back to them from us gamers. It's a *lot* of money to get back from us. If you think that'll happen without strong pressure on devs to make game changes that encourage a higher player base with easier game play, and stronger encouragement for us to spend, rather than hold true to the principles that make ESO special - good luck to you.
    Personally, I'd bought the previous chapters and was paying for ESO+ with crafting a serious component of time spent. That's pretty much the cost of a new game every chapter, and again every 5-6 months with ESO+.

    I'm on the other side of the planet with 300ms latency on a good day, stuck for progress on a game that doesn't do bar swaps well for me. I was actually looking forward to a 1 bar oakensoul build, but was suspicious about a game changing item being money gated behind the chapter, possibly nerfed after we'd rushed to buy it. That's a tactic not unheard of in MMO circles.
    I held off, item got nerfed, and all kinds of changes that I'd expect from the MS acquisition started to happen.

    So, I cancelled ESO+ and spent the money on another game, but will check in at various points to see how the dust is settling.
    Bottom line for me was that I can't accept a game changing item to be gated behind a "cost of a game" chapter expansion, when I'm already paying an ESO+ subscription. It's a principle rather than an amount.

  • LikiLoki
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    People write about those things, the implementation of which they do not like. That doesn't mean they don't like the whole game. There is also such a saying: "A satisfied customer will share joy with ten people, a dissatisfied customer will share negativity with a hundred.
  • Katheriah
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    At this point (with the upcoming changes) I think that complaining is the best compliment we can give ZOS. It means we really care and it means we hope they will make the right choices.

    Be worried if we're quiet. Then we stopped caring and will probably move on to another game.
  • ZOS_Icy
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    Greetings,

    We have gone ahead and closed this thread down since it is rather old. Please keep in mind that sometimes it is better to create a new topic, instead of replying in one that was posted a while ago.

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