There isn't a strong argument against a group finder for normal trials. People always say join a guild as if being in a guild suddenly makes people more competent players. I pug normal trails out of craglorn often. Most of them go smoother than when I join guild runs. Now HoF is a different beast compared to nAA or nCR. But that is a choice people can make themselves.

PUG a few random dungeons, than imagine the same players queuing for trials. Can't think of a stronger argument.

Not with the current GroupFinder. They are rebuilding it from scratch so hopefully the current kinks will be worked out. Should be a a GF for normal trials, I'm on the fence about vet. A raidleader should be able to use the finder for fill-ins if needed. As others have stated before, it would open the game up for a good number of players.

1) people complain that there's too much fake roles, like fake healers and fake tanks. Now imagine where tanking and healing is actually critical and required, and you need 2 of each at least. That's never going to go well.
2) queue times would be astronomical. Just for normal even, i can't even imagine vet.
3) you hear all those frustrated stories about people getting dlc dungeon in the random and nobody knowing how to do it? imagine that times a billion. nobody will have any idea what the hell is going on. most people won't even know what a heavy attack is, let alone *shudders* twin mechanics on mol or ghost dance in hof.

trials are at their core designed to not be easily pugged in any capacity. if you do pug, you have to communicate and be able to change plans on a dime and be really good at your role, more than you'd need to be to do it with a coordinated group.

making groups in craglorn is fine. joining guilds is better. I wouldn't even be mad if they implemented a trial queue system, I'd just never use it because it would not be good. All it would do is create frustration for noobs who thought it'd be an easy way to get into raiding, because it absolutely wouldn't be.

It's difficult enough herding three other people through a regular dungeon. A group of twelve randomly put together by the dungeon finder would be a nightmare. And that's without including the ones that don't have good builds or don't know the mechanics well.

There are times that I half suspect that the reason ESO has four man groups instead of five is because people in general have become less capable of working in a group.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see trials being, how should I put it....more accessible? But PUGs generated by group finders tend to be, well, lets just say that the word "random" has never been more apropriate.

They can't even get regular group finder to work properly for dungeons or for battlegrounds matches. So I can't imagine their system finding 12 people at a time for a specific trial. Trials have their own bugs as well, example zmaja rez bug that was there since last year when Summerset was on PTS. Now if they ever fix their group finder (and I don't mean spamming the button so it maybe might work this time so keep clicking) then it would be fine having matched groups. MMOs like final fantasy 14 can have group & party finder and get 24 people into an alliance raid or 24 vs 24 vs 24 PvP matches. I don't see how ESO can't eventually fix their broken game. They should be able to afford this feature, especially considering how aggressive they have been with marketing and with updates to the store & little stuff in our UI telling us to buy Elsweyr / purchase crates.

As said, trials need coordination between all roles so a finder tool that gathers random players, that can know the mechanics involved or not, might not be the best approach. Minimum requirements would need to be implemented if this is even considered.

Trial queues COULD be a thing, but only for normal trials, not vet. Reason being; everyone pugs that stuff anyways, may as well make an in-game utility to make pugging easier and to get more players into trials.

UGotBenched wrote: »

Hey all,

So, I’m just curious what the strong argument against a trial group system is?

Unfortunately, I don’t always have the time to wait around trying to form groups in zone or I can’t meet the guilds usual schedule due to real life.

It seems to me one argument I always hear is the group most likely will do bad because the system can’t force communication or people won’t know mechanics.

Ok, well if you are worried about that then form your own group with guild members or friends. For those of us with a less flexible schedule, it would be nice to be able to que for a Trial run. If my group does not perform well, then that’s on me for running with randoms. I just don’t see the harm in introducing it.

There is no good argument against it.

Normal trials are way easier than much of the content already available through the activity finder. So the logic that it's too difficult to pug and that's why it shouldn't be included doesn't wash with me.

Do you trust ZOS to know how many healers and tanks we need for each trial?

I had assumed nCR was impossible to not complete until I did it with a guild where a few member refused to go into Discord to hear directions. So annoying.

Regardless, I don't have a problem with having a queue system for trials. Especially for something like nHRC or nDA. I pugged those a bunch during that even where we could get trial or arena specific motifs.