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Would you like a unified auction house instead of the current trading system?
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »@antijarieb17_ESO so what are you comparing?
do we are are here to play trade company minigame here or to actual play this game?
and btw rp is even more senseless time waste
what you gain from this? nothing, not even single achevement for rping with someone, just nothing so
for what is lore here? idk, most people at all play this game to play with others content, for what we need lore to dungs, raids or pvp? this all can be implemented without lore, just enter, kill, loot drops and gain xp
lore to rp is real time waste in creation of games
I'm surprised that you actually understood my point.
Now you make it clear that you don't care about trading, that you don't consider as being a true part of the game, but as a simple utility. You also have no respect nor understanding for people who role-play, sink into the lore, etc.
You're only interested in combat.
That's your choice, but it's not everyone's choice. As a result, you must stop to present your conclusion and thoughts as anything objective. They're just your personal preference. The trader system doesn't suit your preferences, but it suits many other people's preferences. And other people are just as entitled to playing the part of the game they like (including the trading game) as you are entitled to play the part of the game you like (combat).
I play the "trade company minigame" and enjoy it immensely. I don't know what you call "actually play this game" because, to me, that's "actually playing the game". If it were for combat only I'd have left this game after a week, yet I've been here 5 years.
well I have or atleast I had rescpect to all different players in this game
what I posted before was just like you post before
and to back...I still respect all gameplay types until they are respectng rest or if they are not selfish ignorants
like well...there was ideas to keep guild trader and global trader avaible for everyone so noone woudl be forced to be in trade guilds to stuff pockets of leaders and so tax would be a bit higher but system wold be for both types still working - that was compromise idea from our side which was respecting also 2nd side so for our QoL your side woldne be hurt by deleting guild traders for example while making QoL for us
and with this example nobody..atlest very very small percentage of people defending guild traders are respecting us with similiar ideas to make it work for both sides but very bigger percentage of these players are jsut these ignorant who dont look on other players and dont respect their choices for gameplay, they jsut not even say but shout NO! because no reasons of their selfishness as they dont care about rest of playerbase which prefer different gameplay, choices3 -
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✭✭✭No.Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »This is this topic.....
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Same with Warden...
Same with Necromancer...
Same with Jewelry Crafting...
Same with Housing...
Same with Housing storage...
Same with Outfit system...
Same with Transmutation system...
Same with Alliance locked campaigns...
Eventually we will have something similar. ZOS wont miss any oportunity to add futher grinding & gold sink. Also ZOS is not fool so I doubt they will do something drastic that could dmg in game economy. If something, they will try to make some alternative for WTS / WTB zone chat spam system. Maybe somehow conect it with housing so you can set-up shops in your house ? Idk tbh. But seeing how almost every giant thread - idea got into the game so far, at this point I am sure ZOS at some point will introduce a solution that will satisfy both "sides".
Well, first off, Wardens were already in the game, from Alpha, but was removed at Beta, so all they had to do is "turn them on' again.
Other things such as Housing and Outfits had been in the works or discussion since launch.
All those items you mentioned were "Adding things", not having to re-write and change the coding of the whole base game.
As far as zone WTB/WTS, ESO didn't have Kiosks when game launched. You could trade in any guild you were in, but major selling/buying was done in capital cities in zone chat. It sucked. Kiosks were added to fix that.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.well I have or atleast I had rescpect to all different players in this game
what I posted before was just like you post before
and to back...I still respect all gameplay types until they are respectng rest or if they are not selfish ignorants
like well...there was ideas to keep guild trader and global trader avaible for everyone so noone woudl be forced to be in trade guilds to stuff pockets of leaders and so tax would be a bit higher but system wold be for both types still working - that was compromise idea from our side which was respecting also 2nd side so for our QoL your side woldne be hurt by deleting guild traders for example while making QoL for us
and with this example nobody..atlest very very small percentage of people defending guild traders are respecting us with similiar ideas to make it work for both sides but very bigger percentage of these players are jsut these ignorant who dont look on other players and dont respect their choices for gameplay, they jsut not even say but shout NO! because no reasons of their selfishness as they dont care about rest of playerbase which prefer different gameplay, choices
LoL.
A GAH was NEVER in ESO. We didn't take anything away from you. We just enjoy the design that was provided to us by the game designers. YOU are the selfish one who wants stuff changed to your liking.
Of course a GAH cannot live along guild traders. It's an either/or but not both situation, and if you don't understand it, you're the ignorant.
Do I enjoy fighting mobs ? No. Do I ask for mobs to be removed from the game ? No. I simply don't play that part of the game, end of story.
There no GAH in ESO, many people love the trading system, you don't, just don't play that part of the game but don't ask for it to be taken away from others.
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✭✭✭No.barney2525 wrote: »
Okay. Let's compare.
Accessing :
GAH – from the mmos I have played that used one, you click on a link and pull up the GAH immediately, wherever you are.
Trader – this is the only mmo I have played that uses one. To sell you have to physically go to a banker – and not the portable bank you can buy.
In many MMOs, you still have to go to the auctioneer to access the GAH. There's no difference there other than with traders there are multiple, separate stores where you can possibly get better deals. Providing a quick link in the escape menu or something is laziness at it's worst and a complete disregard for any level of immersion or RP.barney2525 wrote: »Selling :
GAH – Without any requirements, the player can open the GAH to the listings for your item and can see what the item is currently selling for by Everyone in the game who chose to sell that item. You can then immediately list your item at an appropriate price.
Trader – You must First join a Trading Guild, with any financial obligations that may go with it. Then you can go to the bank, access the Guild Store and list your item. You can also see what other members of your guild are selling the item for, but not what players in other Guilds are selling the item for. On PC you can use an addon to assist in deciding how much to sell for. Consoles do not have this option.
That's part of the fun. None of this crap where you look at what everyone else in the entire world is selling the item for and then you list yours for one gold less. Instead you have to judge for yourself what you think the item is worth against what others in your own guild are selling the item for and what you may have seen in other locations. It requires just a tiny bit more brainpower than a stupid undercut war.barney2525 wrote: »Reaching Buyers :
GAH – once listed, the item is available and can be seen via the GAH immediately by Every player in the game. All players who have an interest in purchasing the item will be able to find it easily.
Trader – The Only players who will actually see the item for sale are those who happen to physically go your specific trader. Since there is no master list that can direct a player to Traders that have the item you are looking for, its simply trial and error. For the individual seller, their item is Not getting out to all the players in the game. It is not even going to be looked at by all the people that are seeking the item. The player can not put their item out to the public. They must rely on the public coming to their single spot on the map.
Again, that's part of the fun. No looking at every single item available for sale in the entire world and buying up the cheapest one you're looking for. You have to pay what you are willing to pay knowing that there might still be a better deal somewhere else. The inability to reach everyone in the world all at once allows sellers to list their items at a better price for them as opposed to undercutting their goods into oblivion.barney2525 wrote: »Finding an item :
GAH – You pull up the GAH, input the correct category and locate all the listings of the item by every player who is selling that item in the game, if any, and usually the lowest cost is listed first. If there are none available, you will not find the item. If there are items available you can immediately purchase the item, and it will show up in your in-game mail.
Trader – Once you arrive at a Trader, you input the correct category and locate all the listings of the item, if any, by that specific Guild. If the item is listed, you have to decide how much running around this item is worth, and either buy it then or move on to a different trader hoping their price will be lower.
Even just this list of yours is starting to sound like a broken record. If you see the item listed, you have to decide if you're willing to buy it for that price or shop around for a better one. No instantly buying up the cheapest one in the entire world. You have to exercise your brain and make an actual decision instead of just remaining comatose and automatically buying whatever is at the top of the list. Or bottom, depending on how you have it sorted.barney2525 wrote: »Additional issues :
GAH – There are none. The GAH functions like a machine, very simple to use, very easy to understand.
Trader – Traders are not stable. The trading sites are bid on weekly. Guilds that lose out on their bid have no trader for that week. Therefore, if the player has something they want to list, the Only players who will see the listing that week are Guild members. The opportunity for sales is greatly diminished.
*** there are no additional issues with GAHs. Monopolies and market manipulation runs rampant in such systems. Not to mention the undercut wars driving the value of some goods down well below what the NPC will give you for them. Ease of access, while being one of it's pluses, is also it's greatest weakness."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »well I have or atleast I had rescpect to all different players in this game
what I posted before was just like you post before
and to back...I still respect all gameplay types until they are respectng rest or if they are not selfish ignorants
like well...there was ideas to keep guild trader and global trader avaible for everyone so noone woudl be forced to be in trade guilds to stuff pockets of leaders and so tax would be a bit higher but system wold be for both types still working - that was compromise idea from our side which was respecting also 2nd side so for our QoL your side woldne be hurt by deleting guild traders for example while making QoL for us
and with this example nobody..atlest very very small percentage of people defending guild traders are respecting us with similiar ideas to make it work for both sides but very bigger percentage of these players are jsut these ignorant who dont look on other players and dont respect their choices for gameplay, they jsut not even say but shout NO! because no reasons of their selfishness as they dont care about rest of playerbase which prefer different gameplay, choices
LoL.
A GAH was NEVER in ESO. We didn't take anything away from you. We just enjoy the design that was provided to us by the game designers. YOU are the selfish one who wants stuff changed to your liking.
Of course a GAH cannot live along guild traders. It's an either/or but not both situation, and if you don't understand it, you're the ignorant.
Do I enjoy fighting mobs ? No. Do I ask for mobs to be removed from the game ? No. I simply don't play that part of the game, end of story.
There no GAH in ESO, many people love the trading system, you don't, just don't play that part of the game but don't ask for it to be taken away from others.
did I say GAH was in ESO before? no
there was proposes as even trader which dont need guild..jsut everyone can use him but tax of selling items would be higher so and better additional gold sink in game, people still would have reason to be in guilds for trading as tax would be lower from sold item etc
and really you compare something which we can say can be/is in QoL category to something which is basics for literally every game like this? its not even comparng apple to oranges but comparing apples to idk..watermelons? coconuts? or even to eggs
many people love this trading system on this forum..many people dont like it...very dont like it who are currently playing this game and they jstu dont bother with forums as they dont care or even dont have time for this
some you can say many people are here as RP's and so I can say more people are normal nonRP's in game as whenewer I go in eny time I see nonstop people jsut playing content, looking for otrher for content etc and I very rarely see any RP's
it even doesnt matter they are just in places where almost nobody is going to as well...this is saying by itself...almost nobody is comming to places where RP's are meeting as they have no intentions to do this isntead of playing their content/group content without any rp3 -
Yes.The system clearly does work and works well which has been shown for almost 5 years.
A system that requires add-ons to work at a level that satisfies players is not a system that is working well. It's a system that can be worked around - but only for PC playersYou merely do not like the system and that is it. So it is a false pretense to suggest it does not work for that reason.
See above. So no, it's not because I don't like it. It's because I'm not only aware that the game isn't only on PC but am willing to consider how the system works (or doesn't) on consoles.
And when I can look at the first visible 20 "no" votes on this poll and see that 17 of those votes are from PC players, I think it tells a story about who is voting based on liking the system for themselves. And frankly, I don't think most of those "no" votes have considered consoles.Do another poll for console players ONLY and I can guarantee that the Auctionhouse idea will win.
Its such a hassle selling and buying on console that its not even funny (I basically only check the guilds I belong to and the guild traders in vivec city where I usually camp, the rest might aswell not exist for me)
Gods, this. If there were any way to restrict the poll to console players it would be awesome. So many PC players who act like hey, it works for us so f everyone else.
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✭✭✭✭Yes.Massacre_Wurm wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »This is this topic.....
Want a Global Auction House? NO!
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and this is showing why this still didnt change to global AH
when some many people outshout loudly NO! then rest of people arguing with quiet yes are not heared because they are outshouted by simple NO! without even need for arguments
We've had the arguments. We've had the discussions. The facts have been presented. The pros and cons have been weighed. The devs have spoken. The community has voted. Repeatedly.
None of it came out in your favor, yet you still persist in beating that mound of rotten flesh that used to be a horse on a daily basis. People are sick to death of it. That's why you're getting a lot of "NO!" responses now. Nothing new is ever presented. No suggestions on improving the current system. Just the constant whining that you want Wal-Mart to move into Tamriel and put everyone else out of business. Why? Because of some tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory that all the traders are controlled by a mega-cartel of guild leaders who meet in a secret star chamber each week to dictate what people are going to be allowed to sell dreugh wax for. Or because you're so antisocial that you can't even join a trading guild and use it as nothing more than your store front. Or because you think you're being cheated if you don't get to buy something at the lowest price in the entire world. Or because you're just too damn lazy to go to more than one location to buy something.
- some of you just like it? wasting time for running instead of playing
Playing = wasting time. Dont want to "waste" time - dont play computer games.
And yes , some people like to turn casual shopping into a little adventure. Deal with it.
Wrong. But thanks for playing.
Working toward a goal and accomplishing something is never a waste of time. Just because it is not "real life" does not mean playing games is a waste of time.
You refer to "some people" who like to shop. That's true. What you Ignore is that this is Not the Majority of players. The majority of players who want to buy something, want a quick and easy method to do so. Then they can get back to working toward their goal. The majority of sellers want a quick and easy method to get their product out in front of as many players as absolutely possible.
Catering to a what a small number of people enjoy vs what the majority of people would like is generally bad business.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.NotSuzyHomemaker wrote: »The system clearly does work and works well which has been shown for almost 5 years.
A system that requires add-ons to work at a level that satisfies players is not a system that is working well. It's a system that can be worked around - but only for PC playersYou merely do not like the system and that is it. So it is a false pretense to suggest it does not work for that reason.
See above. So no, it's not because I don't like it. It's because I'm not only aware that the game isn't only on PC but am willing to consider how the system works (or doesn't) on consoles.
And when I can look at the first visible 20 "no" votes on this poll and see that 17 of those votes are from PC players, I think it tells a story about who is voting based on liking the system for themselves. And frankly, I don't think most of those "no" votes have considered consoles.
1. The system works addons, though can still use some improvements, mostly on the UI front. Just because people on PC have gotten used to the addons does not mean it does not work without them.
2. My reply was spot on with you previous comment it was in reply to. You just don't like because it was so accurate.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »@antijarieb17_ESO so what are you comparing?
do we are are here to play trade company minigame here or to actual play this game?
and btw rp is even more senseless time waste
what you gain from this? nothing, not even single achevement for rping with someone, just nothing so
for what is lore here? idk, most people at all play this game to play with others content, for what we need lore to dungs, raids or pvp? this all can be implemented without lore, just enter, kill, loot drops and gain xp
lore to rp is real time waste in creation of games
I'm surprised that you actually understood my point.
Now you make it clear that you don't care about trading, that you don't consider as being a true part of the game, but as a simple utility. You also have no respect nor understanding for people who role-play, sink into the lore, etc.
You're only interested in combat.
That's your choice, but it's not everyone's choice. As a result, you must stop to present your conclusion and thoughts as anything objective. They're just your personal preference. The trader system doesn't suit your preferences, but it suits many other people's preferences. And other people are just as entitled to playing the part of the game they like (including the trading game) as you are entitled to play the part of the game you like (combat).
I play the "trade company minigame" and enjoy it immensely. I don't know what you call "actually play this game" because, to me, that's "actually playing the game". If it were for combat only I'd have left this game after a week, yet I've been here 5 years.
Wow.
Leading with Condescension, and then coming to a completely invalid conclusion. That is not an easy thing to do. Congratz.
Apparently you have declared that there are only two aspects of this game. Trading and combat. Nothing else exists. If you don't like the RP of trading you Must Only love combat. Weird.
Something all the " I like to travel to shops so everything must stay the way it is" camp specifically ignores is that Trading is Not 'just another aspect of playing the game'. The trading system affects Everyone. So just because a small number of people enjoy something, it does NOT mean that their 'desires' should over-rule what the Majority wants.
Generally, since you ask, the average person believes "playing the game" is developing a character, being involved in quests, solving plotlines, - in short, focusing on developing a character to its highest potential. Many people don't consider 'creating their own out of character game' inside the game, to be actually playing the game in front of them. How many XP do you get for playing the "Trading Company Mini-game" ?
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✭✭✭No.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »No. Just no....
I won't even go into the reasons of WHY it wont work. It is plainly documented from the 100's of other threads, which also show the majority say No. And so has ZoS, many times, that NO they are not re-writing the whole base game to include a AH. But, I will post something relevant......
Huzzah!!!!
It's also plainly documented why all those reasons are wrong. But you prefer to remain a pigeon in a chess game.
Well, since you have no idea what "reasons" I was referring to, not sure how you "know" they are wrong.
And not sure of "pigeon in chess game" reference is, but oh well, made me laugh so thank you!
Now let's address a few misconceptions and realities...
1. Trade Guild GM's are NOT scam artists and are NOT lining their pockets with guild gold!
Yes, there are bad apples everywhere, but on a whole this is not true. Being a GM of a trade guild of ANY size is hard work, and most GM's use more personal gold on the guild than anyone. I myself have given 10's of millions supporting my guilds.
2. Guilds Don't Get Rich from Sales or Tax's.... Guilds only get 3.5% back on each sale, all other tax's, tabbard sales, listings fees, etc are a gold sink. The trader system is the biggest gold sink in the game and a AH won't meet his kind of sink, which is necessary for the economy.
3. Corner The Market/ Monopoly....An AH system it is absolutely "possible" to corner the market on an item. ALL listings are right there, few billion in gold, you own it. In ESO, it is "Impossible" to corner an item market.
You would have to travel to 200+ kiosks, plus load screen time, to buy all of an item to corner the market. But if you did you can only sell it in 5 guilds or zone, so it's still un-achievable.
4. But WoW Did It..... In Wow, you have copies of game in "shards" or "Servers". There are what, 100, 200 shards in WoW, each with their own copy of game. ESO is a single server. There are "zone instances" but the core game, i.e. traders are still the same. To use the Min numbers, 200 kiosks X 500 members per guild X 30 items each = 300,000 items loading in a UI at once. Think you have lag now? Simple put, ESO is not WoW and MegaServer is not WoW server.
5. I Have To Search Hours to Find Item....8 out of 10 times I can go to Mournhold and find anything I am looking for. Can I get it cheaper somewhere else? Maybe? It my time to look worth the gold I'd save? RL style decision.One of the things that make this system refreshing. A AH you would have to travel to auctioneer too, so time thing not a big issue.
TL:DR... It would cost ZoS too much to rewite the base game, the Megaserver is not like WoW, and the player base has shown for almost 6 years they like the system and ZoS has stated, it is here to stay.
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Huzzah!Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on June 19, 2019 5:20PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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✭✭✭✭✭No.barney2525 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »@antijarieb17_ESO so what are you comparing?
do we are are here to play trade company minigame here or to actual play this game?
and btw rp is even more senseless time waste
what you gain from this? nothing, not even single achevement for rping with someone, just nothing so
for what is lore here? idk, most people at all play this game to play with others content, for what we need lore to dungs, raids or pvp? this all can be implemented without lore, just enter, kill, loot drops and gain xp
lore to rp is real time waste in creation of games
I'm surprised that you actually understood my point.
Now you make it clear that you don't care about trading, that you don't consider as being a true part of the game, but as a simple utility. You also have no respect nor understanding for people who role-play, sink into the lore, etc.
You're only interested in combat.
That's your choice, but it's not everyone's choice. As a result, you must stop to present your conclusion and thoughts as anything objective. They're just your personal preference. The trader system doesn't suit your preferences, but it suits many other people's preferences. And other people are just as entitled to playing the part of the game they like (including the trading game) as you are entitled to play the part of the game you like (combat).
I play the "trade company minigame" and enjoy it immensely. I don't know what you call "actually play this game" because, to me, that's "actually playing the game". If it were for combat only I'd have left this game after a week, yet I've been here 5 years.
Wow.
Leading with Condescension, and then coming to a completely invalid conclusion. That is not an easy thing to do. Congratz.
Apparently you have declared that there are only two aspects of this game. Trading and combat. Nothing else exists. If you don't like the RP of trading you Must Only love combat. Weird.
Something all the " I like to travel to shops so everything must stay the way it is" camp specifically ignores is that Trading is Not 'just another aspect of playing the game'. The trading system affects Everyone. So just because a small number of people enjoy something, it does NOT mean that their 'desires' should over-rule what the Majority wants.
Generally, since you ask, the average person believes "playing the game" is developing a character, being involved in quests, solving plotlines, - in short, focusing on developing a character to its highest potential. Many people don't consider 'creating their own out of character game' inside the game, to be actually playing the game in front of them. How many XP do you get for playing the "Trading Company Mini-game" ?
- I was responding to @Edziu who clearly stated that everything (including lore) but combat was a waste of time in the game. Please read threads before jumping in.
- I have not declared that only combat and trading are true aspects of this game. But I was comparing the two for the sake of the demonstration.
- The trading system affects everyone just like the combat system affects everyone, because combat is required for everything in this game including farming, collecting skillpoints and lorebooks, and everything. Do you read me complaining about combat and how it should be automatized, changed or even removed... ? No, you don't. The pro-GAH people want to buy the stuff they need (and are too lazy to farm) in the most automatized, cheap, unsocial, quick and anonymized way. At the expense of people who enjoy the trading game. They are the selfish ones, not me.
- Who are you to say you're a majority ? You don't know. Ever since the GAH/traders debate started, which means, ever since the game launched 5+ years ago, there's always been a 50/50 split in opinions and noone can claim "majority" here. Just a split.
- I don't care what "the average person" believes - no more than I care what other games do. Still, I also believe that "playing the game" is developing a character via questing, etc. That includes trading. Objections ?
- I have over 1300 CP. Objections ? (Not that it proves anything, though, except maybe that I've done pretty much everything in this game and have every right to prefer one type of activity over another. But a person who starts playing today has that right, too).NotSuzyHomemaker wrote: »A system that requires add-ons to work at a level that satisfies players is not a system that is working well. It's a system that can be worked around - but only for PC players
The game with the most addons ever created is undoubtedly Skyrim. Does that mean it was a non-working game ? A bad game ?barney2525 wrote: »The majority of players who want to buy something, want a quick and easy method to do so.
Just as I'd like a quick and easy method to kill mobs (like the "killall" command you have in Skyrim and other single-player games). But I don't get that in ESO because it's an MMO and others like to have mobs to kill. I don't always get what I want and I accept that. You don't get the quick&easy&boring GAH. Live with it or play something else. Objections ?NotSuzyHomemaker wrote: »And when I can look at the first visible 20 "no" votes on this poll and see that 17 of those votes are from PC players, I think it tells a story about who is voting based on liking the system for themselves. And frankly, I don't think most of those "no" votes have considered consoles.
I wonder why you keep making these polls, because, as soon as the results don't fit your agenda, you start denying their validity (be it "it's biased by PC players" or "forumers aren't representative of players" or whatever else).
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✭✭✭✭✭No.did I say GAH was in ESO before? no
You keep repeating that we PC-pro-guild-traders people are selfishly taking your wanted GAH from you.
No, we don't take anything from you, because it was never there.
And the fact that it is present in many other MMO is totally irrelevant. This is ESO. If ESO was "like any and every other game", I wouldn't be playing it.
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »did I say GAH was in ESO before? no
You keep repeating that we PC-pro-guild-traders people are selfishly taking your wanted GAH from you.
No, we don't take anything from you, because it was never there.
And the fact that it is present in many other MMO is totally irrelevant. This is ESO. If ESO was "like any and every other game", I wouldn't be playing it.
well ESO wouldnt be ever like other games mainly because just of lore
its realy hard to thind 2 game which would look same only because an system was "copyied" from another..but in nowadays its realy hard at all to make anything unique, to ot be considered as copy from someone else
and about selfishness...you didnt read everything with understanding? while you are hard defender of guild traders you still cant acknowledge that there are people without acces to addons for fast searching for what they want to buy or just people who play that casually who dont even have enough time to stay in trade guild and many people would be happy to be finally drop chains from trade guilds and finally stop care about "did I make enough sales in this week to not get kicked?"
and many other would be also happy to not being forced to waste 1-3 guild slots for trade guild and have more freedom to be in more guuilds for different contents like now for example 1 pve, 1 social and 1 for rp/friends and another 2 for just trading whiel having willing to drop these 2 trading for other guild, maybe again for pve but different content, another for pvp also etc but oh well...we are stuck with those trade guild if we want to make literally any good amount of gold in this game for anything2 -
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✭Yes.I bet everyone voting "No" here uses TTC. Which is hypocrisy at it's finest.6 -
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✭Yes.No. Guild traders are a part of the game. Many people play the game to run them. It is super easy now for us to search the readers for items which has made it much easier for us on console.
If you play a MMORPG just for trader guilds.......... What are you exactly doing with money if your not running content? And why do you need virtual in game money of currency if you are not putting it back through buying items to use in game?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No.Drachenfier wrote: »I bet everyone voting "No" here uses TTC. Which is hypocrisy at it's finest.
I voted no and I don't use TTC (tedious + inaccurate + out-of-game).
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »I bet everyone voting "No" here uses TTC. Which is hypocrisy at it's finest.
I voted no and I don't use TTC (tedious + inaccurate + out-of-game).
More assumptions ?
Goodness, that is the only thing that makes this ridiculous mess of a trading system even somewhat bearable.
But my point is, anyone using that shouldn't be voting "No", since they're basically already mimicking the use of an AH.
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Urigall✭✭✭Other (Pleas explain)Kidgangster101 wrote: »What are you exactly doing with money if your not running content? And why do you need virtual in game money of currency if you are not putting it back through buying items to use in game?
I'm not trying to contradict you here - agree with a lot of what you've said previously.
Having added that disclaimer, I can see the attraction in building up a lot of gold. For my part, I accumulate gold to fund my housing addiction. Were it not for the need to obtain (a lot...sigh) gold for housing, I wouldn't bother to spend much time trading. It's not as if I could swap my illusory, ESO wealth for real life currency.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.and about selfishness...you didnt read everything with understanding? while you are hard defender of guild traders you still cant acknowledge that there are people without acces to addons for fast searching for what they want to buy or just people who play that casually who dont even have enough time to stay in trade guild and many people would be happy to be finally drop chains from trade guilds and finally stop care about "did I make enough sales in this week to not get kicked?"
and many other would be also happy to not being forced to waste 1-3 guild slots for trade guild and have more freedom to be in more guuilds for different contents like now for example 1 pve, 1 social and 1 for rp/friends and another 2 for just trading whiel having willing to drop these 2 trading for other guild, maybe again for pve but different content, another for pvp also etc but oh well...we are stuck with those trade guild if we want to make literally any good amount of gold in this game for anything
- Everyone on PC/Mac has access to addons. Whoever doesn't use them shoots himself in the foot.
- Console players don't have addons. Regardless of the fact that it was their choice from the very beginning, what do (you think) they want ? If the issue is addons, then advocate to ZOS (and mostly Sony and Microsoft) to bring addons to consoles, or to incorporate addon functionality into the base game. The answer to the addon issue is addons - not GAH.
- Anyone who doesn't sell doesn't need a trading guild. I myself buy a lot of stuff (at fair prices) from guildies because they don't want to bother with a trading guild. I buy the stuff and sell it myself through my trading guilds. Everyone's happy. And that includes human interaction that would be absent with a GAH system.
- Anyone who wants to trade may be more than happy with just one trading guild. ESO has 5 guild slots, that's few enough to force people to make significant choices but many enough to not be restrictive. 1 trading guild means 4 slots for everything else. But I know that even if we had 20 guild slots, you'd still be advocating that taking up 1 for trading is too much. That's what I call intellectual dishonesty.
- What do you mean by "people who play that casually who don't even have enough time to stay in trade guild" ? Being in a trade guild doesn't take TIME. And if at all, it takes MUCH LESS time than to be in a traditional guild where you're required to introduce yourself, post an application, say hello, say goodbye, signup for events, come to Discord/TeamSpeak, and whatnot. None of this is ever REQUIRED in a trading guild (although it is generally OFFERED). Really, the time aspect is not valid in this discussion. Besides, all those mobs I have to kill while questing and exploring also take time, which I consider wasted, yet you don't see nor hear nor read me complaining about it not wanting it changed.
- You really make it look like in this system, trading 1 simple item required 3 trading guilds and a full time job. That's intentionally wrong and misleading.Drachenfier wrote: »[
But my point is, anyone using that shouldn't be voting "No", since they're basically already mimicking the use of an AH.
Could you please at least let people vote what they want ?
If they use TTC and still vote "no" to a GAH, they have their reasons and you don't get to judge them nor to call them hypocrits. Thank you.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.Kidgangster101 wrote: »No. Guild traders are a part of the game. Many people play the game to run them. It is super easy now for us to search the readers for items which has made it much easier for us on console.
If you play a MMORPG just for trader guilds.......... What are you exactly doing with money if your not running content? And why do you need virtual in game money of currency if you are not putting it back through buying items to use in game?
You're back ? Welcome back then... :-)
No I don't play JUST for trading. But trading is what keeps me logging in between new content releases. To be more precise, it's not the trading itself, it's the social interactions involved with trading - which would be absent if there was a GAH. To keep things short : trading - and trading guilds make me find friends. That's nice.
And what I do with the gold is mostly irrelevant. It's just a milestone. Like achievement hunters pursue achievements that bring them nothing. It's just a measurement.
It's become a little bit more meaningful since we can buy crowns for gold via the gifting system, but even before that, I enjoyed trading just for the sake of it.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.It's not as if I could swap my illusory, ESO wealth for real life currency.
LoL... I agree on that point.
Maybe part of the attraction of being rich in ESO is to fantasize (spelling?) about being rich when you're not at all IRL :-) Especially since making gold ingame is soooo daaaammmm easier than IRL :-)0 -
Urigall✭✭✭Other (Pleas explain)anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It's not as if I could swap my illusory, ESO wealth for real life currency.
LoL... I agree on that point.
Maybe part of the attraction of being rich in ESO is to fantasize (spelling?) about being rich when you're not at all IRL :-) Especially since making gold ingame is soooo daaaammmm easier than IRL :-)
I'll fess up here - I play one of my chars as a wheeler dealer. His job is to get the money to buy the houses. He does pretty well too.
Making money in ESO, it is not that difficult. PITA sometimes, in a tedious way, but not difficult.
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✭Yes.@anitajoneb17_ESO
- so if you want to stay in trade guild you actually even have to play in way to get something for trade to not be kicked from guild
- there are players who just get something wroth to sell sometimes and thus they are forced to join to trade guild to be able to sell this without more problems
- as it was already sayed ofc most of PC users have addons for this and when they are using them..then why they are still against GAH? thi sis real nonsense as saying GAH is no needed while using addons in game which are making this system more closer to GAH than current
- console player always had worse in ESO in any way and even not viability to use addons doesnt explain this as currently players with addons also want things to QoL which are mainly asking console players - this is showing how not good system is for player even if they have access to addons improving this2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No.@anitajoneb17_ESO
- so if you want to stay in trade guild you actually even have to play in way to get something for trade to not be kicked from guild
- there are players who just get something wroth to sell sometimes and thus they are forced to join to trade guild to be able to sell this without more problems
- as it was already sayed ofc most of PC users have addons for this and when they are using them..then why they are still against GAH? thi sis real nonsense as saying GAH is no needed while using addons in game which are making this system more closer to GAH than current
- console player always had worse in ESO in any way and even not viability to use addons doesnt explain this as currently players with addons also want things to QoL which are mainly asking console players - this is showing how not good system is for player even if they have access to addons improving this
- point 1 : No, you don't. First, because if you have nothing to sell, you can always compensate your lack of sales with a small fee. And secondly, because whatever you play in the game, you always collect something worth selling along the way. And thirdly, because many trading guilds do not have sales requirements. And I'll also add, that as long as you're a bit social, make yourself known and participate a bit a the guild's life, you won't get kicked no matter how much you sell.
- Point 2 : using addons doesnt equate to wanting a GAH. Why should it ? Addons do NOT mimick GAH. Not at all. You're imagining things here.
- Point 3 : Console players get the worse version of the game - agreed. But that's their choice, they should deal with this with ZOS, Sony and Microsoft, and a GAH is not going to change that. It's not the fault of PC players nor of addon authors, and I certainly will not agree to a GAH solely for the sake of console players.
- Point 3(b) : what do you know about what PC players want or don't want ? Again some imaginary statistics or heard-of rumours carefully picked to suit your agenda ?
Sorry if I sound aggressive, but as a matter of fact, I consider you as intellectually dishonest. Especially since you're repeating the same things over and over and over while genuine, sensible and structured answers have been provided all over these threads - and I'm pretty sure you've read and understood them.
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✭✭✭Yes.What would happen to trade guilds?!
I sometimes wonder if people are aware that this is pretty much what we already have on PC with a website like TTC.
Older MMO players who played Star Wars Galaxies know that it is possible to mix auction house and player vendors. In SWG you still had to set up a vendor or multiple to list items (you couldn't sell items over a price on the bazaar, the auction house, restriction that didn't exist on vendors), you were able to browse available items on the bazaar then you still had to travel and visit the vendor to retrieve your item.
Does it really feel different from what we have on PC?
Many of us are not on the PC and it is really painful to buy/sell things now.PC
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✭✭✭Yes.MartiniDaniels wrote: »Fulgurance wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.
"A real medieval trading", "stupid".
Wut? There was such thing like medieval travelling merchant and I feel like one when I made a grand trip for 90% of guild traders in search of cheap popular mats and you may find amazing deals which weren't listed in TTC. I guess on console it is even greater then on PC. No need to over-simplify everything, ESO economy and trading has a good balance between simplicity and immersion, I against ruining it because somebody is lazy.
Yeah, and I never played WoW or other MMORPGs so I don't care what refugees were used to in last 25 years. Almost always when I stuck on some arcade stupidity in ESO, I ask somebody and people answer me it was copied from WoW.
So you like to use guild traders to do what guild traders were supposed to prevent, which is a few players dominating the market and setting prices? Oh, the irony...
That is really the exact point of many (most?) who love the current system. They want to buy low and sell high.
I want to be able to buy and sell what I want/need while still having time to play the rest of the game, instead of having to run from guild trader to guild trader, using the horrid PS4 interface to look for things.PC
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Could you please at least let people vote what they want ?
If they use TTC and still vote "no" to a GAH, they have their reasons and you don't get to judge them nor to call them hypocrits. Thank you.
No, I do, because they are.Edited by Drachenfier on June 19, 2019 7:10PM3 -
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✭✭✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »- Point 3 : Console players get the worse version of the game - agreed. But that's their choice, they should deal with this with ZOS, Sony and Microsoft, and a GAH is not going to change that. It's not the fault of PC players nor of addon authors, and I certainly will not agree to a GAH solely for the sake of console players.
Completely off target. Yes, I picked up the game due to a special sale last Thanksgiving (on the PS4). That should not mean I am condemned to a substandard game forever if I don't decide to buy again (with LOTS of time and leveling) on the PC. That is idiotic.
The game should have a design that works well on all its platforms.
Also, requiring the use of a third party site or addon to get information vitally important to the game shows a poor game design, not something wonderful.
And this is about the only way we have of bringing up something with any chance of reaching those who make the decisions about ESO. Don't pawn off complaints on others just because you get to exploit what we currently have.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes.I lean towards yes. While I really enjoy the charm of individual vendors in the world, the current system of guild traders too easily locks players out of the system entirely. If you aren't in a decent guild trader, you don't make gold in this game, period. Even if you are in a decent guild trader, you still don't make gold in this game without knowing the market, which is very difficult to do on console. A unified auction house would both remove barriers for sellers and make knowing the market an order of magnitude easier.6 -
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✭Yes.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »@anitajoneb17_ESO
- so if you want to stay in trade guild you actually even have to play in way to get something for trade to not be kicked from guild
- there are players who just get something wroth to sell sometimes and thus they are forced to join to trade guild to be able to sell this without more problems
- as it was already sayed ofc most of PC users have addons for this and when they are using them..then why they are still against GAH? thi sis real nonsense as saying GAH is no needed while using addons in game which are making this system more closer to GAH than current
- console player always had worse in ESO in any way and even not viability to use addons doesnt explain this as currently players with addons also want things to QoL which are mainly asking console players - this is showing how not good system is for player even if they have access to addons improving this
- point 1 : No, you don't. First, because if you have nothing to sell, you can always compensate your lack of sales with a small fee. And secondly, because whatever you play in the game, you always collect something worth selling along the way. And thirdly, because many trading guilds do not have sales requirements. And I'll also add, that as long as you're a bit social, make yourself known and participate a bit a the guild's life, you won't get kicked no matter how much you sell.
- Point 2 : using addons doesnt equate to wanting a GAH. Why should it ? Addons do NOT mimick GAH. Not at all. You're imagining things here.
- Point 3 : Console players get the worse version of the game - agreed. But that's their choice, they should deal with this with ZOS, Sony and Microsoft, and a GAH is not going to change that. It's not the fault of PC players nor of addon authors, and I certainly will not agree to a GAH solely for the sake of console players.
- Point 3(b) : what do you know about what PC players want or don't want ? Again some imaginary statistics or heard-of rumours carefully picked to suit your agenda ?
Sorry if I sound aggressive, but as a matter of fact, I consider you as intellectually dishonest. Especially since you're repeating the same things over and over and over while genuine, sensible and structured answers have been provided all over these threads - and I'm pretty sure you've read and understood them.
same are repeating everyone agains GAH, nothing new but with mostly less arguments also
so what if I want to sell item for fair price without paying any fee to stay in guild? sorry but this is nonsense if we want to sell anything in fair price
I was not so long ago in 1 not huge guild in vvardenfel, I was selling without problem many "trash" items for my average mm which have data mostly from 2 bigger craglorn guilds, now Im in other guild in worse place than vvardnefell and for good 1 week I have sold only few these "trash" items in same price
so if you are in guild which dnt need fee to stay in them without regular sales you are handicapped by *** place it is in so you probably wont never sell items for fair price like in top spots, you need to significant lower your prices if you want to sell an item here without waing weeks or months for this
addons doesnt make GAH here as its not possible but they are making system much closer to GAH so to people which are using this definitely basic guild trader system is overshadowed by concepts of GAH
and waht I know about pc players about this?
so I know dozens or so and I have meed hundrets of players with similiar thinking - guild trader system is bad, flawled and GAH would be more efficient, comfortable etc
just literally every player which I meet was in this opinion - so from pvp, pve etc and even some just casuals for light content
I havnt meet a single person in game who would be happy from current trade system
I dont mention here rp's as I never needed and had willing to talk to them, just nothing special, just noneed, I was minding my own buisnes and so they also
as for console player..welp..we same many many many threads with their pain and this isnt also their fault as they just prefer to play on console isntead of pc and because they more like to play on console now they need to be hurted more by game creators? even when this game before release was specjally designing to be playable not only on pc but on other platforms like console...I dont see to much sense here
game since beggining was designed to be playable on many platforms but yet if you are not on PC at all you still have many drawback of not playing on PC3