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Would you like a unified auction house instead of the current trading system?
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Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Anyone who thinks the current system is 'special' or keeping all prices from being controlled/equalized on PC/Mac platforms is just ignorant.
I play on both servers and thanks to addons, the prices of everything across all servers is the same... with the exception of a few specific guilds who (very obviously) post extremely low prices on highly sought after items just to get people to their shops.
The system is a huge time sink and all around general pita for new players.
Scrap it already, ffs.6 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.GarnetFire17 wrote: »This is this topic.....
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Want a Global Auction House? NO!
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Want a Global Auction House? NO!
and this is showing why this still didnt change to global AH
when some many people outshout loudly NO! then rest of people arguing with quiet yes are not heared because they are outshouted by simple NO! without even need for arguments
We've had the arguments. We've had the discussions. The facts have been presented. The pros and cons have been weighed. The devs have spoken. The community has voted. Repeatedly.
None of it came out in your favor, yet you still persist in beating that mound of rotten flesh that used to be a horse on a daily basis. People are sick to death of it. That's why you're getting a lot of "NO!" responses now. Nothing new is ever presented. No suggestions on improving the current system. Just the constant whining that you want Wal-Mart to move into Tamriel and put everyone else out of business. Why? Because of some tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory that all the traders are controlled by a mega-cartel of guild leaders who meet in a secret star chamber each week to dictate what people are going to be allowed to sell dreugh wax for. Or because you're so antisocial that you can't even join a trading guild and use it as nothing more than your store front. Or because you think you're being cheated if you don't get to buy something at the lowest price in the entire world. Or because you're just too damn lazy to go to more than one location to buy something.
yes you had arguments but all yur all arguments was just less
your all arguments was its about unique for eso...
- because its gold sink...
- immersion lol
- some of you just like it? wasting time for running instead of playing
- because its prices cant be manipulated?
- because its just better?
so where our arguments were
- guild traders didnt work, if it worked there wouldnt be needed a tons of addons for trading (awesome guild store, MM, TTC - the biggest ones with not to mention even site is to look at items which are where listed...)
- this would be ever better gold sink - make all tax going to nowhere isntead half of it to guild bank and more people could have use of it
time saver for more people, many now jsut look at site where is item which they want to buy or people just doesnt care to buy anything which is not that important to them whiel with GAH they wouldnt even think about it and would go to buy it because it would be faster
- prices already with current system for many items was multiple time manipulated so no, GAH isnt worse at this angle with not to mention everyone would ahve access to literally same prices in market isntead having weird cheap prices in forgotten wastelands for everyone or extremally high in top places where are everyone
we could fight with arguments more and all I see in every thread about this is that like arguments for traders are just blindly biased, empty, very short without good explantation proving how much better and less flawed is current system
and while like people want to something new....well, people for this are trying to explain as much as they can to prove how current system isnt better at all and is even more flawed as for mmo system with and we do it but mostly we are much more ignored with our arguments becasue biased people are more ignorants who dont care about most of any other opinions than theirs and what is going with it they are jsut trying to outshout rest as their opinion is the best and is never wrong3 -
Urigall✭✭✭Other (Pleas explain)Forgot to vote, so I did - "other"
The poll didn't seem to allow the option of "both" which seems to be the best of both worlds. Getting rid of the trade guild system would be going against the stated preferences of the majority of the player base. Unwise for all sorts of reasons, not least generating a lot of negative sentiment. But not adding another mechanism is disenfranchising another - significant - part of the player base.
One of the biggest drawbacks of the guilds only system is, at any one point in time, a very large number of items are taken off the market. The system also works against those players who might find a little bit of income helpful, but who can't be arsed getting involved in the time commitment that can be a concomitant to being in a trade guild.
Getting rid of trade guilds is a very bad idea imho. Equally, there is merit in expanding the trading system. If there is no technical obstacle I can't see any objective reason for objecting to a parallel auction house.1 -
Comixfan✭✭✭Yes.Androconium wrote: »FOR ***'s SAKENOTTHISAGAIN?
I have yet to read any valid, justification for an auction house other than "It's too hard to teleport around and check prices"
No-one really cares and why should they?
Unless you're flipping, virtually everything that you sell didn't cost you anything in the first place.
Just go away with these endless, stupid, WOW *** concepts
(edit: my view is that the people promoting this are trying to increase the sales amount for whatever it is that they sell. Thsi colours my argument)
Never said it was too hard, but it is damn inconvenient.
Also, WoW isn't the only MMO with a global auction house. Also, I fail to see how it's a "stupid" concept. It's quite a good one, actually.6 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So OP.....the votes are in....read them and weep if you must. Are you about ready to close the thread now? Or are you going to keep making these posts until everyone votes for the answer you want?
I don't know of a function to close the thread but it's still very early in the voting process compared to the threads age.
Ah so you're holding out for some more "yes" votes.....yeah good luck with that bud.
Well, there's also an avid number of people against it that vote fast and early. I think that some of the forums users haven't had time to vote yet it's only been 12 hours. Also, there are a lot of people that do want it, it's not a bad division. Roughly 60/40 early on.
This corrupt trading system must go. People that think it is "very deep gameplay" have no concept of actual gameplay. Playing the "market" for virtual money is meaningless. Playing politics to run a trader guild makes me feel like I'm running for office and trying to win votes. Trading guilds create monopolies, price fix, bully different guilds to get out of their spot, blackball one player so they can't get in a trading guild, yep but it is in depth gameplay.
On console it is complained about a lot. This forum will never have accurate polls, nor does zos follow the polls. If they did console would have never got text chat. If they did why.are skyshards available?
I bet if they sent a in game mail to every player in game to reply to you would be blown away by the amount of people that would love a change. I've seen a lot of people actually quit over this trader system to go to ff14 because they work real life jobs and gated feeling like they have to work on a game when they want to casually make money.
There will be no "price fixing" like people are scared of. If PC basically had a global auction house via add-ons, and they didn't encounter drastic price increasing....... It's logical to say it won't happen. If just about any other successful MMORPG uses it and doesn't have this problem, why would it happen here?
There is a saying, if it's not broke don't fix it....... Yep they tried to do something different. It failed and flopped and people exploited it and they don't want it fixed because people make huge profits re selling traders and people using fake accounts to run multiple guilds buying up all spots in top areas. Yep not corrupt though? Those level 3-7 guild owners that are clearly alt a counts according the guild messages just means the actual owner really enjoys running guilds without profit............ Yep they are doing it out of the kindness of their own heart......... 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉6 -
Sansoul✭✭✭Yes.
This broken market system is the number one reason why my stints in this game last 1 month instead of 1 year.
Once you come back and spend 3 days enjoying the new content, you start grinding endgame which means trolling the market for gear while trying to make money selling gear.
Unfortunately the combination of this clunky UI and the worst market design I've ever seen.... make long term retention in this game a challenge.
I seriously still scratch my head they haven't wisened up to this fact yet. I was telling them these things way back during open beta. My guess is it's a hardware cost thing and supporting that many transactions in a single instance would push hardware costs into the next echelon of magnitude. No other reasons make any sense at all.
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ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Let's deal with the actual points of your post, shall we? Rather than the attempts to delegitimize the people who disagree with you by suggesting that they haven't been "playing the game properly" or that they are "monopolies, oligopolies and tyrants". Its an interesting rhetorical approach, but it tends to resolve very little in terms of the actual argument.You mean like CR and AS?
Are CR and AS the only trials? No, there are 8 in the game at the moment.
So even if we accept your argument that CR and AS are just like reducing an entire system to its barest components, they represent a minority of the trials available.
How about this then, on the day that you successfully campaign to get all trials removed from the game except from CR and AS and prove that raiding guild survive this process... then I will throw all of my weight behind your efforts to get the guild kiosks turned into a global auction house. Deal?And no, it's not like that. The activity is buying and selling. All the other aspects that you described are not part of it but things you constructed around it socially.
They are part of being in a trading guild in the current system. That is what being debated. The current system in its entirety. You are arguing for that system to be reduced to the base action of buying and selling. I am trying to tell you that there is more to it. You are throwing those other parts out because they don't fit with your own, purely transactional, view. You want to argue against it? Fine, then argue against all of it. Not just the bits that are convenient.Also, unlike in the case of trading, it's not just the GMs and officers who get to enjoy the social aspects of it, but every guild member.
I am in a trading guild. I am not a GM. I am not an officer. I am a normal guild member who does enjoy all of the social aspects. Do I think that I am in so privileged a position as to be the only normal guild member who also enjoys the social aspects? Of course not. This statement, as it is, cannot stand without further evidence.Trading is tedious, both in life and in game, that's why we have invented online stores (like amazon) and AHs (like ebay) and there are services like pcpartpicker.com, google flights and trivago that take the information from multiple stores and show the one where the items/services are priced best.
What has been happening to stores in the high-street since the introduction of amazon, ebay and the rest?
You might be happy to see these places close. I am not. Based on the results and posts we have seen in this thread, and others on the subject, it would seem that I am not alone in this view.GAH > current system, because it reduces transaction costs, and that's ultimately what all participants want in a market, both sellers and buyers.
You don't speak for everybody. What "all participants want in a market" isn't for you, personally, to decide. I am careful to only refer only to my personal experience or the things I have seen in threads on this topic. I have told you that I want more from a market than what you have described, yet you are telling me that I am wrong.
Are you honestly arguing that I shouldn't be enjoying the things about the current system that I do enjoy?
[EDIT: Spelling changed from "therms" to "terms" in the first paragraph]
Your analogy is garbage. No, it's not like a trial without mechanics, it is exactly like a group finder for trials, because it gives you the ability to participate in a trial without engaging in any social interactions, just like GAH does with trading. We can keep coming up with analogies, but your side hasn't made a proper analogy yet, always inventing some ridiculous thing that has absolutely no parallels to what you're arguing about.
Great, so to lead the analogy with CR and AS to it's conclusion, we should have access to both a GAH and a trader system, because that's how it works for raiding. I don't mind. That way people like you who enjoy wasting your time for no good reason can continue doing so while people who actually want trading to be as efficient as possible can enjoy their play style too.
Come on, don't be selfish with your demands, let's see what system is actually better by having them both... Spoiler alert: it's the GAH.2 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭No.Personally I like to travel between guild traders in search of best deals.
This way I can visit many different places and give a chance to the guilds with smaller budget to sell anything and to support their vendors in the wilds. That system is special to me and it's good that it's bound with this game.
Single auction house is a bad idea. I didn't like it in SWTOR and won't like it here, period.Edited by Gargath on June 19, 2019 12:57PMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭No.GarnetFire17 wrote: »This is this topic.....
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and this is showing why this still didnt change to global AH
when some many people outshout loudly NO! then rest of people arguing with quiet yes are not heared because they are outshouted by simple NO! without even need for arguments
We've had the arguments. We've had the discussions. The facts have been presented. The pros and cons have been weighed. The devs have spoken. The community has voted. Repeatedly.
None of it came out in your favor, yet you still persist in beating that mound of rotten flesh that used to be a horse on a daily basis. People are sick to death of it. That's why you're getting a lot of "NO!" responses now. Nothing new is ever presented. No suggestions on improving the current system. Just the constant whining that you want Wal-Mart to move into Tamriel and put everyone else out of business. Why? Because of some tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory that all the traders are controlled by a mega-cartel of guild leaders who meet in a secret star chamber each week to dictate what people are going to be allowed to sell dreugh wax for. Or because you're so antisocial that you can't even join a trading guild and use it as nothing more than your store front. Or because you think you're being cheated if you don't get to buy something at the lowest price in the entire world. Or because you're just too damn lazy to go to more than one location to buy something.
- some of you just like it? wasting time for running instead of playing
Playing = wasting time. Dont want to "waste" time - dont play computer games.
And yes , some people like to turn casual shopping into a little adventure. Deal with it.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.What would happen to trade guilds?!
to them? *** them, they already have tons of gold....but normal average player finally would have more space for his content gameplay, like additional guild to progress something, to play pvp, to rp or just to additionally support friends in very small their guild4 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Massacre_Wurm wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »This is this topic.....
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and this is showing why this still didnt change to global AH
when some many people outshout loudly NO! then rest of people arguing with quiet yes are not heared because they are outshouted by simple NO! without even need for arguments
We've had the arguments. We've had the discussions. The facts have been presented. The pros and cons have been weighed. The devs have spoken. The community has voted. Repeatedly.
None of it came out in your favor, yet you still persist in beating that mound of rotten flesh that used to be a horse on a daily basis. People are sick to death of it. That's why you're getting a lot of "NO!" responses now. Nothing new is ever presented. No suggestions on improving the current system. Just the constant whining that you want Wal-Mart to move into Tamriel and put everyone else out of business. Why? Because of some tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory that all the traders are controlled by a mega-cartel of guild leaders who meet in a secret star chamber each week to dictate what people are going to be allowed to sell dreugh wax for. Or because you're so antisocial that you can't even join a trading guild and use it as nothing more than your store front. Or because you think you're being cheated if you don't get to buy something at the lowest price in the entire world. Or because you're just too damn lazy to go to more than one location to buy something.
- some of you just like it? wasting time for running instead of playing
Playing = wasting time. Dont want to "waste" time - dont play computer games.
And yes , some people like to turn casual shopping into a little adventure. Deal with it.
for many just playing isnt waste of time, for many waste of time can be jogging, going on gym, playing football etc
so if I want to play, chill in game from real world why I need additionally to waste my time for mindless traveling only to buy single thing? this is a ton of wasted time while playing
when we play why we should waste our time even more? as for me this is equal to just sit and look on wall or into tv and do nothing else but watching this
tbh more fun I have of jsut lying in bed and doing nothing and waiting than run with nonsense by loading screens just to find single thing which I need to have to play further with not to mention with additional loading of every single trader until this system will find there is a bit of those items for insane price or there is nothing..sorry but those traders doesnt load instantly for items you look for so this is additional wasted time4 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes.To sum up my ever-changing position on this:
Originally, I would have said no, as there are (or should be) certain benefits, to crafters, in having separate stores (although, not necessarily guild ones) when selling their crafted goods.
Then, I said there should be a mixed selling platform, as (although the point above still holds true, in theory) buying crafting mats is very frustrating (to the point where you stop bothering), when you have to travel from guild store to guild store, sometimes for hours and often to no (or very little) avail.
My current position, however, is that I am ready to commit to a centralised auction house for everything.
My reasoning for this is that the market has been so taken over and totally manipulated, anyway, that you might as well be able to stand in one place and suffer from the horrors of it, rather than being forced to travel all over the world (through endless load screens) to do so.
All the benefits of separate guild stores have been totally destroyed at this point, anyway, so why not centralise?Edited by Tigerseye on June 19, 2019 12:59PM7 -
Dic3manSoul ShrivenYes.Do another poll for console players ONLY and I can guarantee that the Auctionhouse idea will win.
Its such a hassle selling and buying on console that its not even funny (I basically only check the guilds I belong to and the guild traders in vivec city where I usually camp, the rest might aswell not exist for me).
Some weeks my guild might have a great spot and I sell alot of stuff and the next week in a *** spot and nothing gets sold etc.
I made ton of money in Neverwinter in their AH and it worked great.
If we get addons on console I wouldnt worry to much about global AH though (but since we dont I do).
I mean PC already has ALOT of addons that makes everything more effective (skyshards, lorebooks etc etc), while we console players need to sit with a phone or a computer marking them off as we go (so anything that gets us console players a bit more effective aswell would be nice).Edited by Dic3man on June 19, 2019 1:31PM3 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.so where our arguments were
- guild traders didnt work, if it worked there wouldnt be needed a tons of addons for trading (awesome guild store, MM, TTC - the biggest ones with not to mention even site is to look at items which are where listed...)
- this would be ever better gold sink - make all tax going to nowhere isntead half of it to guild bank and more people could have use of it
time saver for more people, many now jsut look at site where is item which they want to buy or people just doesnt care to buy anything which is not that important to them whiel with GAH they wouldnt even think about it and would go to buy it because it would be faster
- prices already with current system for many items was multiple time manipulated so no, GAH isnt worse at this angle with not to mention everyone would ahve access to literally same prices in market isntead having weird cheap prices in forgotten wastelands for everyone or extremally high in top places where are everyone
we could fight with arguments more and all I see in every thread about this is that like arguments for traders are just blindly biased, empty, very short without good explantation proving how much better and less flawed is current system
and while like people want to something new....well, people for this are trying to explain as much as they can to prove how current system isnt better at all and is even more flawed as for mmo system with and we do it but mostly we are much more ignored with our arguments becasue biased people are more ignorants who dont care about most of any other opinions than theirs and what is going with it they are jsut trying to outshout rest as their opinion is the best and is never wrong
You're right, the game's design is extremely flawed and should be overhauled. But not the trading system. The mobs' system.
Let me explain.
- Combat is flawed from head to toe. If it weren't flawed, people on PC wouldn't need a ton of third-party addons to make it somewhat enjoyable.
- Fighting mobs is useless and just a waste of time. Even if you die, you can rezz, so what's the point ?
- Combat take up most of your abilities slot. Without mobs, those slots could be used for more meaningful abilities.
- Mobs are constantly interrupting exploration or roleplay. Up to the point where it's getting difficult to take nice screenshots of dungeons.
- Who wants to spend hours fighting trash and bosses before reaching the final chest, and continuing the story ? Obviously, noone. Except, of course, the happy few who like to demonstrate violence, and brag their epeen with their combat efficiency.
- Mobs are unfair to those who cannot fight them properly, or have weak characters.
- Mobs produce gold and drops which in turn inflate the game's economy, as well as our already scarce inventory, forcing us into subscribing to ESO+. No more mobs = no more gold, no more drops = no more inventory problems, and no more need for gold sinks.
Mobs are a pure waste of time that prevent us from actually playing the game. Just get rid of mobs entirely. Mobs are bad design.
(Hint : Sarcasm and true logic are mixed in the above paragraph).
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Aloha✭✭✭Yes.The trading and economic system of ESO is one the weakest point after lag/ping/crash/server issues and noobfriendly Solo PvE.
#HangInThere
Truth will out
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✭✭✭✭✭No.No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.2 -
Aloha✭✭✭Yes.MartiniDaniels wrote: »No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.
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✭Yes.barney2525 wrote: »
Accessing :
GAH – from the mmos I have played that used one, you click on a link and pull up the GAH immediately, wherever you are.
Trader – this is the only mmo I have played that uses one. To sell you have to physically go to a banker – and not the portable bank you can buy.
Selling :
GAH – Without any requirements, the player can open the GAH to the listings for your item and can see what the item is currently selling for by Everyone in the game who chose to sell that item. You can then immediately list your item at an appropriate price.
Trader – You must First join a Trading Guild, with any financial obligations that may go with it. Then you can go to the bank, access the Guild Store and list your item. You can also see what other members of your guild are selling the item for, but not what players in other Guilds are selling the item for. On PC you can use an addon to assist in deciding how much to sell for. Consoles do not have this option.
Reaching Buyers :
GAH – once listed, the item is available and can be seen via the GAH immediately by Every player in the game. All players who have an interest in purchasing the item will be able to find it easily.
Trader – The Only players who will actually see the item for sale are those who happen to physically go your specific trader. Since there is no master list that can direct a player to Traders that have the item you are looking for, its simply trial and error. For the individual seller, their item is Not getting out to all the players in the game. It is not even going to be looked at by all the people that are seeking the item. The player can not put their item out to the public. They must rely on the public coming to their single spot on the map.
Finding an item :
GAH – You pull up the GAH, input the correct category and locate all the listings of the item by every player who is selling that item in the game, if any, and usually the lowest cost is listed first. If there are none available, you will not find the item. If there are items available you can immediately purchase the item, and it will show up in your in-game mail.
Trader – Once you arrive at a Trader, you input the correct category and locate all the listings of the item, if any, by that specific Guild. If the item is listed, you have to decide how much running around this item is worth, and either buy it then or move on to a different trader hoping their price will be lower.
Additional issues :
GAH – There are none. The GAH functions like a machine, very simple to use, very easy to understand.
Trader – Traders are not stable. The trading sites are bid on weekly. Guilds that lose out on their bid have no trader for that week. Therefore, if the player has something they want to list, the Only players who will see the listing that week are Guild members. The opportunity for sales is greatly diminished.
For those who wanted a comparison, there is your comparison.
Totally THIS
I wish I could give 10 awesomes.
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Urigall✭✭✭Other (Pleas explain)Changing any system can create winners and losers. What would be the losses and benefits, if both trade guilds and an auction house system ran in parallel?
Winners - Objective Reasons:
-- all non-guild players who would like access to a system of trading that is incidental to core game play.
-- all players - more items for sale and on a constant basis
-- all non-guild players who would like a steady income without interruption - losing a guild spot means loss of trading outlet
-- the wider game economy - bigger gold sink
These are all objective benefits and they do not impact upon other players.
Losers - Objective Reasons:
If an auction house can run in parallel with an auction house, none that are obvious. There might be arguments that stem from "dislike" of having a a parallel, auction house system. "Dislike" is not objective.
Unknowns:
Impact upon market prices.
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✭✭✭✭✭No.Fulgurance wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.
"A real medieval trading", "stupid".
Wut? There was such thing like medieval travelling merchant and I feel like one when I made a grand trip for 90% of guild traders in search of cheap popular mats and you may find amazing deals which weren't listed in TTC. I guess on console it is even greater then on PC. No need to over-simplify everything, ESO economy and trading has a good balance between simplicity and immersion, I against ruining it because somebody is lazy.
Yeah, and I never played WoW or other MMORPGs so I don't care what refugees were used to in last 25 years. Almost always when I stuck on some arcade stupidity in ESO, I ask somebody and people answer me it was copied from WoW.Edited by MartiniDaniels on June 19, 2019 2:11PM1 -
Karivaa✭✭✭✭✭No.No. Guild traders are a part of the game. Many people play the game to run them. It is super easy now for us to search the readers for items which has made it much easier for us on console.2
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✭Yes.@antijarieb17_ESO so what are you comparing?
do we are are here to play trade company minigame here or to actual play this game?
and btw rp is even more senseless time waste
what you gain from this? nothing, not even single achevement for rping with someone, just nothing so
for what is lore here? idk, most people at all play this game to play with others content, for what we need lore to dungs, raids or pvp? this all can be implemented without lore, just enter, kill, loot drops and gain xp
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✭Yes.No. Guild traders are a part of the game. Many people play the game to run them. It is super easy now for us to search the readers for items which has made it much easier for us on console.
while I know dozens of people in game...I know noone who is actually happy from current trade system and everyone are hating it when it comes to topis of this in conversation, noone of my friend actually joy from running from trader to trader, every of them would be more happy if they could go to single place and actually buy what they need instead of running through hundrets of traders loadings and dozens of loading screens just to buy single item3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No.@antijarieb17_ESO so what are you comparing?
do we are are here to play trade company minigame here or to actual play this game?
and btw rp is even more senseless time waste
what you gain from this? nothing, not even single achevement for rping with someone, just nothing so
for what is lore here? idk, most people at all play this game to play with others content, for what we need lore to dungs, raids or pvp? this all can be implemented without lore, just enter, kill, loot drops and gain xp
lore to rp is real time waste in creation of games
I'm surprised that you actually understood my point.
Now you make it clear that you don't care about trading, that you don't consider as being a true part of the game, but as a simple utility. You also have no respect nor understanding for people who role-play, sink into the lore, etc.
You're only interested in combat.
That's your choice, but it's not everyone's choice. As a result, you must stop to present your conclusion and thoughts as anything objective. They're just your personal preference. The trader system doesn't suit your preferences, but it suits many other people's preferences. And other people are just as entitled to playing the part of the game they like (including the trading game) as you are entitled to play the part of the game you like (combat).
I play the "trade company minigame" and enjoy it immensely. I don't know what you call "actually play this game" because, to me, that's "actually playing the game". If it were for combat only I'd have left this game after a week, yet I've been here 5 years.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes.MartiniDaniels wrote: »Fulgurance wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.
"A real medieval trading", "stupid".
Wut? There was such thing like medieval travelling merchant and I feel like one when I made a grand trip for 90% of guild traders in search of cheap popular mats and you may find amazing deals which weren't listed in TTC. I guess on console it is even greater then on PC. No need to over-simplify everything, ESO economy and trading has a good balance between simplicity and immersion, I against ruining it because somebody is lazy.
Yeah, and I never played WoW or other MMORPGs so I don't care what refugees were used to in last 25 years. Almost always when I stuck on some arcade stupidity in ESO, I ask somebody and people answer me it was copied from WoW.
So you like to use guild traders to do what guild traders were supposed to prevent, which is a few players dominating the market and setting prices? Oh, the irony...5 -
Aloha✭✭✭Yes.Middle ages and its feMartiniDaniels wrote: »Fulgurance wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »No, I like current system, it is immersive. You may go for a round trip in low peak hours and got a lot of items cheap and resell them later. This feels like a real medieval trading and not like stupid arcade global list.
"A real medieval trading", "stupid".
Wut? There was such thing like medieval travelling merchant and I feel like one when I made a grand trip for 90% of guild traders in search of cheap popular mats and you may find amazing deals which weren't listed in TTC. I guess on console it is even greater then on PC. No need to over-simplify everything, ESO economy and trading has a good balance between simplicity and immersion, I against ruining it because somebody is lazy.
Yeah, and I never played WoW or other MMORPGs so I don't care what refugees were used to in last 25 years. Almost always when I stuck on some arcade stupidity in ESO, I ask somebody and people answer me it was copied from WoW.
It is not about lazy boys but the efficience of the system. Moreover, it is more passionate to do real business with all knowledge of the market, but with this system it is impossible. It is a random system whose the trading guilds leaders take a lot of money and only a few guilds can be very prosperous.
It is a real pain with long loading screen and find a rare item/object. They should restrict the number of market place and so the number of trading in order to be more understanble system.
You don't know nothign Jon Snow about Feudalism and Middle Age trading
Action House is easier and more effective for business but for Role Play it is not the best.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No.Fulgurance wrote: »it is more passionate to do real business with all knowledge of the market, but with this system it is impossible. It is a random system whose the trading guilds leaders take a lot of money and only a few guilds can be very prosperous.
Yes, the guild trader system makes for a richer game experience than simply offer/demand (two pretty boring criterias if left alone).
This system is about grouping up, making decisions, managing collective issues, defining strategies, collaborating with other guilds, etc.
In fact it involves more human interaction on a much wider scale than any other ingame activity. That's what makes it fun, intelligent, and super social. That's what people who like the system love about it and that's what people who dislike it loathe about it.
People who want a GAH don't want to play. They want a system to buy/sell for them without any human interaction at all. BORING.
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Again with this fallacy that 4 years of complaining on the forum has accomplished nothing.
This game's guild trader system has undergone huge improvements over the years (all of these changes bringing it closer to a global auction house I should add). And it's the posters who were complaining about the broken system who were responsible for this. If we had listened to the "kicking a dead horse" crowd we'd still be stuck with the original guild trader system - which was so God awful it was nearly useless. And the kicking the dead horse crowd were winning the forum polls back then too.
This game willl probably eventually get around to having a proper global auction house. We'll just get there in baby steps. We're basically already there now if you include addons.
There have been no changes to the trading system from OP's like this one. The statement you quoted is absolutely correct that threads like this have accomplished nothing at all as we are as close to having a God awful and antiquated GAH today as we were 4 years ago.
Yes, the guild trader system has gone through some changes as any good system would evolve. However, it has come from threads (and the guild leaders) suggesting things that make sense. Nothing like beating a dead horse in a wasteful manner as this thread.
Further, I understand wanting to say it is probable the game will get a GAH but there is really no basis for that. I would really suggest you do not hold your breath for that day as it may be very unhealthy.
False.
It was threads criticizing the guild trader system and asking for a global market that was responsible for some of the changes we take for granted today. For example: players being able to purchase from other guilds. I remember people complaining about not being able to buy from other guilds and how they wish they would just add an auction house and these same people telling players to stop beating a dead horse and stop asking for an auction house - because the guild trader system was fine as is.
Your memory is not very good. We were able to purchase form other guilds the first day this game launched over 5 years ago. Though the initial implementation of those guild traders was to limited. Zos did greatly improve on this and the change that came were and are a good thing. BTW, to refresh your memory just go into Cyrodiil. You will notice the keeps are claimed by guilds and you can access what ever their store is.
BTW, those changes were hardly a step towards a GAH and certainly did not come from the same type of thread as this one so your claim my comment was false is rather, well, false. Interesting how the facts got in the way of that.
I edited out the rest because it is irrelevant. To refresh your memory again, this thread was created concerning a GAH. Not about how the guild trader system was 5 years ago. It really seems that part I edited out was meant as a distraction to derail the thread.
I've been playing this game since beta - and when I first started playing this game you had to belong to a guild before you were allowed to purchase items
and I am telling you that you are completely and totally wrong. The requirement one had to go to Cyrodiil and go to keep was far to limiting and what guilds you would find there was far to random. Those changes came from rational and logical requests that the Cyrodiil system was far to limiting. It is a strange and very illogical to suggest calls for a GAH brought about the more robust guild trader system we have to day and does nothing to back up your claim the current system is closer to a GAH because that would be ludicrous.
You are also wrong that changes made during the past 4 years have brought us closer to a GAH and that should plainly be obvious to anyone who knows what a GAH is. It could not be further from the truth.
Further, the person you quoted saying "want a GAH? NO" said never suggested there have not been threads that have brought about changes to the Guild Trader system at the most and likely that they have not changed their mind in all these years. It was you who erroneously implied otherwise. They merely and correctly stated that calls for a GAH have failed to bring about a GAH and they are continuing to fail to being about a GAH. You merely created a false narrative.Edited by idk on June 19, 2019 3:25PM1