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Can we have an update re: Guild History?
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TheTraveler✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Disabled add-ons and disabled guild tools that are required to function yet performance stays the same. Weird.
I have had increased performance.
I haven't, it's been just as bad where it was bad before. It feels that way, anyway.
Same here, if not even a bit worse performance and loading times0 -
TheTraveler✭✭✭It's important to note that the console players go without any addons and the PC players have lost functionality for a short time and the forums go in flames. Can't we give ZOS a chance to fix this? Haven't we all made mistakes in our lives? I know I have, I regret things. Lets just adapt until the fix comes and enjoy Elsewyr.
We did give a chance to explain their end of the story and Matt Firor started a stickied discussion on the forum.
It is still there, with too many ifs and buts; yet naming no certain fixes or targets.
He basically says; no identified solution yet, no significant improvement until mid 2020. That is the earliest.
How should we proceed then?
See you in mid-2020, I guess?0 -
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✭✭✭I'm not sure, but it feels like they turned it back on... but I wouldn't know, because nobody told us.1 -
TheTraveler✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It really is just a game and nothing life-threatening will happen
I agree on that, BUT.. ZOS makes money out of us logging in everyday, out of the game becoming a big (sometimes unreasonably big) part of our lives. Therefore they should somehow service that, too. I agree with all the business aspects that you've detailed, but maybe the devs should open their eyes more widely to the fact that the "community" relies more on "player-created-content" than on the content they produce (not saying the latter doesn't matter, just that the former matters even more).
Social interactions, guilds, small events, minigames, human stories, etc... that's what keeps us logging in. That's what makes us a community (more than people who cheer at E3).
Trading on PC/Mac, thanks to addons, has become a significant game within the game, with significant social interactions. It's an underworld (and no, not mafia-like like some people like to suggest, but rather family-like) that even ZOS might not be truly aware of. Sometimes a drama or two emerge here on the forums, but overall, this huge part of the game is kept hidden from major controversies.
The fact that every thread on this topic has been unfairly and bluntly shut down by the moderators (they should have banned the trolls instead) is infuriating and shows that ZOS isn't aware of the importance of this "underworld", and of the significance of all the player-created content in this underworld.
More than news (we know Gina cannot produce "news" on her own), what we expect from @ZOS_GinaBruno at this stage is to tell the devs how important this underworld is, and it all depends on tools like Master Merchant. It's not a side thing. We don't log in for running dungeons we've run a zillion times already. We don't log in for trials that take ages to complete. We don't log in for stories and quests we've already run. We log in daily to see how much we've sold, to say hello, to see how everyone's doing, to see if we won the trader bid, to see what's going on in our underworld in ESO. If that's gone, we may just as well leave. And we don't say that as a threat or a revenge or anything, we say that because OUR CONTENT is gone with Master Merchant... and we want Gina to explain this to the devs.
Yes, this^^^^ absolutely this. Being able to see how much you have sold in a week, or even daily is like getting an endorphin high. It is indeed almost like it's own little minigame. Now that my endorphin high has been removed, I'm hardly bothering to log in anymore.6 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheTraveler wrote: »It's important to note that the console players go without any addons and the PC players have lost functionality for a short time and the forums go in flames. Can't we give ZOS a chance to fix this? Haven't we all made mistakes in our lives? I know I have, I regret things. Lets just adapt until the fix comes and enjoy Elsewyr.
We did give a chance to explain their end of the story and Matt Firor started a stickied discussion on the forum.
It is still there, with too many ifs and buts; yet naming no certain fixes or targets.
He basically says; no identified solution yet, no significant improvement until mid 2020. That is the earliest.
How should we proceed then?
See you in mid-2020, I guess?
If someone from development already said mid 2020... What are we trying to figure out here?0 -
TheTraveler✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »Chrysoprase wrote: »I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?
I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.
Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........
Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.
So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.
Buy a PC2 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.2 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.
Are you looking at your guild history tab a lot? My MM seems to update only when I do that, but not any new sales appearing without me looking.1 -
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✭TheTraveler wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Chrysoprase wrote: »I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?
I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.
Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........
Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.
So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.
Buy a PC
Yep classic pc player right here, newsflash eso doesn't make money off your pc 😉
You guys demand add-ons to be turned on, tell us we don't deserve anything pertaining to quality of life changes. This really shows how entitled some pc players are. It makes it hard to empathize with PC players during this add-on debacle. Especially because console players deal with a barebones guild trader system on a daily basis.
It's laughable that we would need to purchase a PC and restart the game for quality of life changes. The fact that you even recommend such a ridiculous thing reeks of entitlementEdited by Kidgangster101 on June 18, 2019 12:55AM0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »TheTraveler wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Chrysoprase wrote: »I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?
I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.
Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........
Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.
So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.
Buy a PC
Yep classic pc player right here, newsflash eso doesn't make money off your pc 😉
You guys demand add-ons to be turned on, tell us we don't deserve anything pertaining to quality of life changes. This really shows how entitled some pc players are. It makes it hard to empathize with PC players during this add-on debacle. Especially because console players deal with a barebones guild trader system on a daily basis.
It's laughable that we would need to purchase a PC and restart the game for quality of life changes. The fact that you even recommend such a ridiculous thing reeks of entitlement
yes, lets ignore countless pc players who are supportive and latch on to ONE, and continue derailing the thread.
sigh.
and in any case, reminder, ad nausem - this is a thread asking for update on restoring specific functionality around which PC gameplay grew over the years. whataboutism you keep resorting to has nothing to do with this specific situation.dirty worthless casual.
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StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just ignore the derailer.
Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Just ignore the derailer.
Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.
If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.5 -
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✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.
Are you looking at your guild history tab a lot? My MM seems to update only when I do that, but not any new sales appearing without me looking.
oh. yes I did look at the guild history, for the same reason to check if it is working. Lol so what you are saying I am causing it to update by looking in the tab? If that is true that kinda sucks if I have to go open that up, but I guess we have to live with it for now then. Dont hope this will be permanent
Edited by Jayman1000 on June 18, 2019 1:28AM1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Just ignore the derailer.
Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.
If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.
Some of us (also) play the game differently than you, a working sales history IS actually required for us to play this part of the game.Edited by Jayman1000 on June 18, 2019 1:30AM2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jayman1000 wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »Just ignore the derailer.
Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.
If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.
Some of us (also) play the game differently than you, a working sales history IS actually required for us to play this part of the game.
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few?1 -
rsantijw13✭✭✭rsantijw13 wrote: »I am still buying and selling very well. I am sorry that everyone else has issues. Wait no I am not sorry. Guess the 4+ years of data that I kept on this economy and things like refining and daily crafting rates have been a good thing now. TTC works and believe it or not that should actually be enough.Even without that I am confident that I and my guild will be fine. We dont need history access. We need just the regular to be able to see deposits and withdrawals.
Speak for yourself. TTC is a very crude tool, because it only shows what people have priced stuff at, not what it actually sells for (and thus what people are actually willing to pay for something).
It also can tell you the amount of listings available ingame. If you see something that has only say 12 listings you can try for a little more. And also seeing how you can look up stuff online and use that to find things I wouldnt exactly define it as crude. Did you forget the definition of the word?0 -
rsantijw13✭✭✭I enjoy the faster mails, less initial time spent with the guild bank, and receiving of the sale proceeds. Keep it the way it is1
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Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jayman1000 wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »Just ignore the derailer.
Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.
If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.
Some of us (also) play the game differently than you, a working sales history IS actually required for us to play this part of the game.
just checked without opening the guild history tab and mm window has updated sales from a few minutes ago? Seems like it is working?0 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭rsantijw13 wrote: »I enjoy the faster mails, less initial time spent with the guild bank, and receiving of the sale proceeds. Keep it the way it is
its the same speed for me, mails doesn't arrive until up to 15 min later unless I port to other zone. I still have the same amount of delays and lag when opening and using guild banks, same with posting listings in store. no difference to spot there either.Edited by Jayman1000 on June 18, 2019 1:42AM7 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.
Are you looking at your guild history tab a lot? My MM seems to update only when I do that, but not any new sales appearing without me looking.
oh. yes I did look at the guild history, for the same reason to check if it is working. Lol so what you are saying I am causing it to update by looking in the tab? If that is true that kinda sucks if I have to go open that up, but I guess we have to live with it for now then. Dont hope this will be permanent
Yes, that's it.0 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.
Are you looking at your guild history tab a lot? My MM seems to update only when I do that, but not any new sales appearing without me looking.
oh. yes I did look at the guild history, for the same reason to check if it is working. Lol so what you are saying I am causing it to update by looking in the tab? If that is true that kinda sucks if I have to go open that up, but I guess we have to live with it for now then. Dont hope this will be permanent
Yes, that's it.
But I actually just checked, I hadnt logged in a played for many hours, and the mm window said there was sales a few minutes ago. I didnt open the guild tab at all... so does it work after all? Im a little confused.0 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You have to leave the guild tab open for a while, then it updates, and sometimes those updates come after you close the window again. I'm not sure wth is going on, tbh. Just something I noticed.0 -
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✭✭Fair warning:
Do not take bait from people who attempt to change or sway the topic of this thread. They have done it before, they have derailed, and they have gotten threads on this topic closed.
This thread is not about anything other than restoring PC access to the guild history and restoring API access to the history.
Stay on topic.
Reposting, since we're going down the rabbit hole yet again.
We will continue down rabbit holes as long as people keep responding to console trolls. I would suggest posting all future posts about technical issues like this in the PC Tech Support forum and maybe, JUST MAYBE we wouldn't be bombarded by console users starting fights.Edited by SteveCampsOut on June 18, 2019 2:20AM@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »This was not a mistake. This was an intentional move which was done with apparent disregard for the severe impact that it would have. That cavalier indifference speaks to a mindset that gives me serious pause.
Intentional, yes. Done with disregard for the impact. Doubtful. Cavalier indifference? No.
I'm afraid ZOS has widely underestimated the impact. They probably don't know much about the trading communities on PC and the player-created content and interactions they provide on a daily basis.
That's what we're trying to explain in these threads : the impact.
Yeah, I would assume they know. They play the game, themselves, you know. They have met with guild leaders, including trade guild leaders. I think they get it.lordrichter wrote: »Don't forget that this was done in an attempt to alleviate problems that they were seeing happen in multiple features of the game that are, apparently, all tied together by something that guild history retrieval has in common. Add-on access to it appears to make the problem worse, since that is what they are leaving disabled, for the time being.
It's been a long week, but here's what I remember suddenly becoming an issue after the patch last Monday, both on EU and NA:- 10 minute chat lag
- Friends lists disappearing
- Guild lists disappearing
- Keep doors being borked in general
- Rubberbanding
It is interesting how the different parts of the game interact and can, when malfunctions happen, interfere with each other.
Of course, none of us know how all these things are tied together. Maybe all of these filter through a common database, or information system within the megaserver and chat history retrieval is blocking other queries being made to the same system.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People are reporting random bursts of information and then long periods of nothing. Guild history generally shows Stabbitydoom sold 1 [blank space]. I'd love to know if this is what is top priority for fixing rn.0 -
Urigall✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »You have to leave the guild tab open for a while, then it updates, and sometimes those updates come after you close the window again. I'm not sure wth is going on, tbh. Just something I noticed.
I opened the guild history tab of a guild I'm in, to see if anything was showing up. I'm only a member - not involved with running the guild.
Nothing was showing up, but I later received the familiar update of "you have sold x for amount y in guild z" message. That message had stopped showing up after the guild sales history updates were switched off.
Whether the notification was triggered by opening the guild history tab, I can't say. Just mentioning it here in case it's useful information.0 -
KyraCROgnon✭✭✭Weird, i see no info from ZOS but this morning ATT is working again (albeit slowly) and uploading all my sales since last tuesday.
<did they reautorize the access ? or just botch their access cut ?1 -
Rushinator✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »thermatico wrote: »Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.
My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.
From what I have heard, MM is restricted to the most recent 99-199 items when it refreshes (you might also need to open guild history for sales first). So basically addons can technically access SOME information but is blocked from getting most of the info unless you keep refreshing it every minute 24/7.
I guess this was ZOS's stopgap measure to restore guild history while still limiting addons from making calls to the server.Edited by Rushinator on June 18, 2019 6:47AMGM < Elder Scrolls Exchange > (Trader Kiosk in Rawl'kha/Mournhold on PC/NA)
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Fiktius✭✭✭✭I also followed how my ATT is updating data and I'm not sure how much manual opening of guild sale history have something to do with data updates.
When I did login yesterday afternoon with my main account, I got only part of the data updated. I tried to open guild sale history, but that did not seem to do much. I was waiting first for 2 hours and I didn't get any fresh data.
And then suddenly guildies started to say "MM is working!" "Data coming through!" "ATT is updating."
At that point my ATT also started updating and I managed to restore most of my lost data from the previous sale week.
Later I did login with another account of mine, which is part of different guilds. I didn't even open guild sale history page manually, yet ATT already did have some sale history scanned from those guilds. I got some usefull data scanned, but after awhile the data flow stopped again. I couldn't scan entire history from the last week, I still miss a lot data from my alts.
Also during yesterday night we followed with a guildie when ATT/MM started to update statistics and always when my guildie said: "data is coming in again", mine also updated within a few minutes.Sometimes we had to wait 30 minutes, sometimes 15 minutes. Time we had to wait did variate.
It looks like server is sending data every now and then, which is kinda nice, I really need that data. BUT since I'm also responsible of 3 trade guilds in EU server, I would like to know is this intended or in danger to actually get disabled again soon?
If it's gonna stay, I can move ranking/guild managing date towards Monday evening and try to make sure I have as much data gathered as possible.Edited by Fiktius on June 18, 2019 1:25PM2