Mitrenga wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

It's important to note that the console players go without any addons and the PC players have lost functionality for a short time and the forums go in flames. Can't we give ZOS a chance to fix this? Haven't we all made mistakes in our lives? I know I have, I regret things. Lets just adapt until the fix comes and enjoy Elsewyr.

We did give a chance to explain their end of the story and Matt Firor started a stickied discussion on the forum.
It is still there, with too many ifs and buts; yet naming no certain fixes or targets.
He basically says; no identified solution yet, no significant improvement until mid 2020. That is the earliest.
How should we proceed then?

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

It really is just a game and nothing life-threatening will happen

I agree on that, BUT.. ZOS makes money out of us logging in everyday, out of the game becoming a big (sometimes unreasonably big) part of our lives. Therefore they should somehow service that, too. I agree with all the business aspects that you've detailed, but maybe the devs should open their eyes more widely to the fact that the "community" relies more on "player-created-content" than on the content they produce (not saying the latter doesn't matter, just that the former matters even more).

Social interactions, guilds, small events, minigames, human stories, etc... that's what keeps us logging in. That's what makes us a community (more than people who cheer at E3).

Trading on PC/Mac, thanks to addons, has become a significant game within the game, with significant social interactions. It's an underworld (and no, not mafia-like like some people like to suggest, but rather family-like) that even ZOS might not be truly aware of. Sometimes a drama or two emerge here on the forums, but overall, this huge part of the game is kept hidden from major controversies.

The fact that every thread on this topic has been unfairly and bluntly shut down by the moderators (they should have banned the trolls instead) is infuriating and shows that ZOS isn't aware of the importance of this "underworld", and of the significance of all the player-created content in this underworld.

More than news (we know Gina cannot produce "news" on her own), what we expect from @ZOS_GinaBruno at this stage is to tell the devs how important this underworld is, and it all depends on tools like Master Merchant. It's not a side thing. We don't log in for running dungeons we've run a zillion times already. We don't log in for trials that take ages to complete. We don't log in for stories and quests we've already run. We log in daily to see how much we've sold, to say hello, to see how everyone's doing, to see if we won the trader bid, to see what's going on in our underworld in ESO. If that's gone, we may just as well leave. And we don't say that as a threat or a revenge or anything, we say that because OUR CONTENT is gone with Master Merchant... and we want Gina to explain this to the devs.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Chrysoprase wrote: »

I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?

I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.

Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........

Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.

So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

thermatico wrote: »

Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.

My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

TheTraveler wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Chrysoprase wrote: »

I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?

I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.

Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........

Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.

So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.

Buy a PC

Yep classic pc player right here, newsflash eso doesn't make money off your pc 😉

You guys demand add-ons to be turned on, tell us we don't deserve anything pertaining to quality of life changes. This really shows how entitled some pc players are. It makes it hard to empathize with PC players during this add-on debacle. Especially because console players deal with a barebones guild trader system on a daily basis.

It's laughable that we would need to purchase a PC and restart the game for quality of life changes. The fact that you even recommend such a ridiculous thing reeks of entitlement

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Just ignore the derailer.

Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.

Knowledge wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Just ignore the derailer.

Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.

If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Just ignore the derailer.

Anyway as an update, it is NOT turned back on like I thought maybe it was. I see Siri updated AGS but I'm not sure how/if that can help.

If I was the developers I would be worried about fixing things that are actually required to play the game before this. Like the LFG tool.

Some of us (also) play the game differently than you, a working sales history IS actually required for us to play this part of the game.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

thermatico wrote: »

Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.

My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.

Are you looking at your guild history tab a lot? My MM seems to update only when I do that, but not any new sales appearing without me looking.

oh. yes I did look at the guild history, for the same reason to check if it is working. Lol so what you are saying I am causing it to update by looking in the tab? If that is true that kinda sucks if I have to go open that up, but I guess we have to live with it for now then. Dont hope this will be permanent

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

This was not a mistake. This was an intentional move which was done with apparent disregard for the severe impact that it would have. That cavalier indifference speaks to a mindset that gives me serious pause.

Intentional, yes. Done with disregard for the impact. Doubtful. Cavalier indifference? No.

I'm afraid ZOS has widely underestimated the impact. They probably don't know much about the trading communities on PC and the player-created content and interactions they provide on a daily basis.
That's what we're trying to explain in these threads : the impact.

reoskit wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Don't forget that this was done in an attempt to alleviate problems that they were seeing happen in multiple features of the game that are, apparently, all tied together by something that guild history retrieval has in common. Add-on access to it appears to make the problem worse, since that is what they are leaving disabled, for the time being.

It's been a long week, but here's what I remember suddenly becoming an issue after the patch last Monday, both on EU and NA:

• 10 minute chat lag
• Friends lists disappearing
• Guild lists disappearing
• Keep doors being borked in general
• Rubberbanding

Others? With the exception of the guilds disappearing, I'm not sure how any of those things are related to the guild history? I'm legitimately, not remotely sarcastically, interested in how we can surmise those are all tied together. Thoughts?

StabbityDoom wrote: »

You have to leave the guild tab open for a while, then it updates, and sometimes those updates come after you close the window again. I'm not sure wth is going on, tbh. Just something I noticed.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

thermatico wrote: »

Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.

My MM is getting the latest sales in the history, it's just not getting the history from the past week, but history after the patch is there.