anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

More than news (we know Gina cannot produce "news" on her own), what we expect from @ZOS_GinaBruno at this stage is to tell the devs how important this underworld is, and it all depends on tools like Master Merchant. It's not a side thing. We don't log in for running dungeons we've run a zillion times already. We don't log in for trials that take ages to complete. We don't log in for stories and quests we've already run. We log in daily to see how much we've sold, to say hello, to see how everyone's doing, to see if we won the trader bid, to see what's going on in our underworld in ESO. If that's gone, we may just as well leave. And we don't say that as a threat or a revenge or anything, we say that because OUR CONTENT is gone with Master Merchant... and we want Gina to explain this to the devs.

I'd like what you are saying acknowledged, by @ZOS_GinaBruno or anyone else. If i thought they understood the seriousness, I might let up. Right now I just don't see that depth of concern.

Consider this a polite plea:
Folks, if you are here posting about consoles, unless you have something to add specifically to this pc issue, I request you start a separate thread for you to discuss that issue. We can always debate it there.

Knowledge wrote: »

I just think there's too much hysteria surrounding this whole thing. Perhaps consulting console players about how they run their trade guilds will be a good idea in the interim. They seem to do just fine without this API. Please give ZOS a reasonable amount of time to fix the issue.

In most cases a "reasonable amount of time" is defined as 7 - 14 business days.

Accusing people of hysteria and telling them to "calm down" is ... classically, and throughout history, unlikely to work. It comes off as patronizing, even though I suspect you don't mean it to be. Reasonable amount of time varies by business and situation. It's subjective (I'm saying this as a lawyer in which "reasonable amount of time" is actually a term of art).

@therift has given us pointers and suggestions from a consoler guild master's point of view in other threads and we (many of us pc people) have noted it was helpful and interesting. We thank them (him/her/it/other).

But don't believe, Knowledge, that even though I suspect your intentions are good, that i will stop asking for updates. It's my personal mission at this point to stay on top of this. I apologize if that bothers you. But, that's the point of this thread.

The "we're still working on it" from today's patch notes gave no ETA nor any acknowledgement of the direness of the situation. I am again asking, can we have an update, not just a repetition of what was previously said?

If you want to help me inform ZOS of the direness of this situation, i invite pc players to post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/480523/the-update-on-the-api-was-a-repeat-can-we-have-an-eta-heres-the-impact/p1?new=1

StabbityDoom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

More than news (we know Gina cannot produce "news" on her own), what we expect from @ZOS_GinaBruno at this stage is to tell the devs how important this underworld is, and it all depends on tools like Master Merchant. It's not a side thing. We don't log in for running dungeons we've run a zillion times already. We don't log in for trials that take ages to complete. We don't log in for stories and quests we've already run. We log in daily to see how much we've sold, to say hello, to see how everyone's doing, to see if we won the trader bid, to see what's going on in our underworld in ESO. If that's gone, we may just as well leave. And we don't say that as a threat or a revenge or anything, we say that because OUR CONTENT is gone with Master Merchant... and we want Gina to explain this to the devs.

I'd like what you are saying acknowledged, by @ZOS_GinaBruno or anyone else. If i thought they understood the seriousness, I might let up. Right now I just don't see that depth of concern.

Consider this a polite plea:
Folks, if you are here posting about consoles, unless you have something to add specifically to this pc issue, I request you start a separate thread for you to discuss that issue. We can always debate it there.

So what you are saying is let me make a console quality of life thread to have PC players join to tell us we don't need it. I need to "make a thread for us to debate it there" basically saying get out of this thread and it doesn't concern us.

But yet you guys are (just like console now) and it is the end of the world for you guys. Console plays this way because we have to at that way. This system is so flawed and proves it just by the fact that you need an add-on to make it function properly.

If WE as players of ESO came together saying WE need a lot of features built into the base vanilla game then the game could actually improve. PC players wouldn't want this feature turned back on, well because it might already be in the game. Again this game joined console after they got rid of their subscription based model as a PC exclusive, that shows it wasn't doing well on PC alone and they needed extra revenue or they would have stayed with subscription base model. So now that shows PC, Xbox, PS4 all play the same game and give money to zos that we should be able to input on a thread like this.

If this being shutdown impacts PC players, just imagine what it has been doing to console players this entire time? Just saying this is a shared forum for all 3 platforms, maybe we should stop acting like we play separate games when all the content us identical?

lordrichter wrote: »

Don't forget that this was done in an attempt to alleviate problems that they were seeing happen in multiple features of the game that are, apparently, all tied together by something that guild history retrieval has in common. Add-on access to it appears to make the problem worse, since that is what they are leaving disabled, for the time being.

It's been a long week, but here's what I remember suddenly becoming an issue after the patch last Monday, both on EU and NA:

• 10 minute chat lag
• Friends lists disappearing
• Guild lists disappearing
• Keep doors being borked in general
• Rubberbanding

Others? With the exception of the guilds disappearing, I'm not sure how any of those things are related to the guild history? I'm legitimately, not remotely sarcastically, interested in how we can surmise those are all tied together. Thoughts?


Edit - removed extra bulletpoint.

Antonio said we should post here instead, there fore I’m summarizing the relevant post from the old thread and putting it here so we can discuss it further. Not spamming the whole thing.


Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno: the "we're still working on it" from today's patch notes gave no ETA nor any acknowledgement of the direness of the situation. Please, can we have an update beyond that?


Thank you for listening and I hope this is taken in the tone it is meant, a serious and desperate plea.

I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?

I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Antonio said we should post here instead, there fore I’m summarizing the relevant post from the old thread and putting it here so we can discuss it further. Not spamming the whole thing.


Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno: the "we're still working on it" from today's patch notes gave no ETA nor any acknowledgement of the direness of the situation. Please, can we have an update beyond that?


Thank you for listening and I hope this is taken in the tone it is meant, a serious and desperate plea.

Stabbity, may I ask why you saw it necessary to make another thread? This one seems fine.

Also, I am sure they are working to fix the API guys.

Chrysoprase wrote: »

I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?

I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.

Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........

Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.

So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........

Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.

So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.

I'm confused as to why you think I wouldn't want consoles to have the same options as PC. I absolutely do. Playing without add-ons sucks. And if these features were in the base game I've be very happy. I feel like you're arguing against something nobody has said? If ZOS fails to give us our API back it won't make things better for consoles. It would be making things worse for other people so you... can feel better about yourselves? I don't understand. Most people on the PC play on the PC for addon functionality, otherwise they would play on consoles. If you take away their addon functionality they won't want to play. It's very simple.

reoskit wrote: »

Fair warning:

Do not take bait from people who attempt to change or sway the topic of this thread. They have done it before, they have derailed, and they have gotten threads on this topic closed.

This thread is not about anything other than restoring PC access to the guild history and restoring API access to the history.

Stay on topic.

Reposting, since we're going down the rabbit hole yet again.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Chrysoprase wrote: »

I agree with Stabbity. I don't trade as heavily as many of my fellow guild members. I don't sell a lot and usually just donate money for raffles every week. But these guilds have some of the best communities in the game full of the most friendly and helpful people. I've paid millions of gold to be a member of them because of that community. Now a lot of my friends are having less fun in the game and going elsewhere until it is fixed. Even if you're one of the people in here who can't understand why trading is fun for some people, you should be able to understand that long-term, knowledgable and friendly players leaving is a bad thing. These are some of the first people out there welcoming new players to the game and giving them sets of leveling gear for free and giving advice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy the game with their addons? What's it to you?

I will never understand the people here gloating because people who enjoy different things in the game from them aren't having fun. It's completely immature. For many of us, addons allow us to bypass the most tedious parts of the game and get on to doing what we enjoy. There's no shame in that and there's no need to put down people who use them.

Add-ons allow you to bypass the most tedious things..........

Think about that for a second lol. So you just said you don't understand why console players would get upset over that? You bypass tedious things but yet console players have to do it because we don't want to have fun on the game like you guys do. I guess our fun isn't as important as your fun.

So maybe you guys should join console players in us saying we want these "features through add-ons" added to the base vanilla game so we can all do what we really enjoy doing. Maybe that's why auction house threads keep popping up, because it is the easiest solution to all these problems we have just saying.

PC has addons (which don't exist on consoles thanks to MS/Sony according to the available information). Consoles have built-in voice chat. The two versions of ESO are not exactly the same, and I think they never will be.

To the thread: the main question is which means more disruption to the gameplay: turning off addon functionality or the bugs we encountered last week after the Monday patch. The devs seem to think that the bugs are more disruptive - but we have seen in the past that they can't really handle massive gameplay problems very well. I'm almost sure that the only permanent solution would be a complete rework of the ESO code, and that won't happen because it's time and money consuming, and nothing can guarantee that the result will worth it (for the board, not for the players or the devs). And it is very, very sad, because this kind of problem will kill all kind of fun in ESO.

thermatico wrote: »

Please restore add-on to API functionality. Please provide the progress you are making and exactly why you turned it off. Please provide a timeline. Please provide us with any useful information regarding this issue.

This here, exactly.

And I would highlight that trumpeting the return of guild history without API functionality is not acceptable.

The Sales History is useless without any means of aggregating and sorting the data.

Bank Deposit history is marginally less useless because it's not as jumbled, but still requires line-by-line manual transposing and verification to an external source to be of any use.

Returning the history is not enough. This has not satisfied us in any meaningful way.

Katahdin wrote: »

Did they say exactly why they turned it off?
I haven't been able to find that information

It’s in the long thread about eu chat lag, etc. they turned it off to reduce drag on the servers while they try to fix the real problem, whatever that is. We’ve had no substantive updates since then on progress or the problem itself.