Is it normal to steal hard work and uniqueness of players by game developers ? I do not think so !

SteveCampsOut · June 2019

essi2 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

An excerpt from the ESO Terms of Service:

By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.

Your account info is not "private information".
@Nebthet78 @essi2

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

Our DPS and character data are not subject to privacy laws, they are not personal data.

Our UserIDs are, but ZOS and the author of ESOlogs have chosen to ignore this. Atleast the last I heard the function logs UserIDs even if it is not surfacing them publicly.

The reason UserID's are not considered "Private" data is because they are not linked to your real name. They are strictly for use in identifying you in game, nowhere else.

StormeReigns · June 2019

Citation needed.

srfrogg23 · June 2019

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I wonder what you do when you meet a player who has made a build equal to yours.

Start harassing this player with stupid accusations or get on playing?

Neither. Without an inspection option, it's impossible to know if someone is using the exact same build.

The answer is "remain blissfully ignorant".

TequilaFire · June 2019

Obviously the build makes the player. lol

DLM · June 2019

wheel5 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

When you made your account, YOU agreed that your account was not your own private data lol. Privacy laws don't protect information that isn't private.

If the TOS were saying that ZOS can come at your home and take your child, that wouldn't make it right. There are laws above TOS.

Noctus · June 2019

i dont mind pve builds. i can understand if someone is secretive about his pvp build tho. the sites obvisously only have boss kill data.

Dunzoh · June 2019

This is a ridiculous thread. But I’ll add to it because it’s also humorous to me.
So you don’t want anyone seeing your build or gear. How then do you know someone is copying your “hard work”. By looking at them yourself? By doing the exact thing you are complaining about other people doing? Hmm. Interesting.
And who are you to claim a certain build as your own? How do you know someone who happens to have a similar build didn’t come up with it on their own? You have no idea.
You’re clueless. Just like I was the first five minutes trying to understand what you even typed.

erlewine · June 2019

DLM wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

When you made your account, YOU agreed that your account was not your own private data lol. Privacy laws don't protect information that isn't private.

If the TOS were saying that ZOS can come at your home and take your child, that wouldn't make it right. There are laws above TOS.

we're rapidly approaching a Godwin's law scenario here.

Ixilith · June 2019

Builds are not like giving credit card details out lol.

Like seriously xD why is this a topic. Who cares if someone runs your build. P

Hard work, is the skill you have acquired over time playing a game. Lol don’t worry not many will copy you most go to alcast or dottzgaming and rubensky for builds.. not esologs

Kiralyn2000 · June 2019

Dude, it's just a freakin' build.

No one cares.

(and no, I don't follow 'meta', either. My builds blow. But if someone wanted to look at them, go right ahead.)

Gilvoth · June 2019

we should all be allowed privacy

zaria · June 2019

erlewine wrote: »

DLM wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

When you made your account, YOU agreed that your account was not your own private data lol. Privacy laws don't protect information that isn't private.

If the TOS were saying that ZOS can come at your home and take your child, that wouldn't make it right. There are laws above TOS.

we're rapidly approaching a Godwin's law scenario here.

Unlike Godwin this one is only here to farm insightful and awesome

Please support hard working Khajiit

Kalgert · June 2019

Your posts are so poorly constructed over a non-issue, that I honestly feel like I may be having diarrhea any moment.

essi2 · June 2019

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

An excerpt from the ESO Terms of Service:

By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.

Your account info is not "private information".
@Nebthet78 @essi2

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

Our DPS and character data are not subject to privacy laws, they are not personal data.

Our UserIDs are, but ZOS and the author of ESOlogs have chosen to ignore this. Atleast the last I heard the function logs UserIDs even if it is not surfacing them publicly.

The reason UserID's are not considered "Private" data is because they are not linked to your real name. They are strictly for use in identifying you in game, nowhere else.

They are not linked to our real names by ZOS, that does not magic away the fact that in alot of cases they are linked to our real names outside of ESO.

FierceSam · June 2019

ZOS allows anyone to ‘record’ the fight data in the area they are in. They can then export it to the external 3rd party ESO logs website for them to do whatever they like with it.

This captures all their information and all your information

You have no say in the process other than to have your character’s name replaced by the word ‘anonymous’. This in NO way anonymises your data or offers you the choice of granting/withholding consent for your player data to be ‘recorded/stolen’ by this process.

I’m not OK with this, but there is nothing anyone can do because ZOS is perfectly happy with the process.

Ankael07 · June 2019

You dont even own the game (you bought access to an online service) what makes you think you own a combination of gears thats available to everyone else in the game?

JKorr · June 2019

Dear OP;

Ways to protect your precious personal uber secret build....

Do NOT record your gameplay/fights and upload it to esologs.

Before joining any groups, demand to know if anyone in the group is recording gameplay/fights so *they* can upload it to esologs. If someone is, don't join the group.

That should maintain the secrecy you apparently desire. Cause the information on that site doesn't magically appear there. *You* don't record it, *you* don't upload it, it isn't there.

idk · June 2019

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I wonder what you do when you meet a player who has made a build equal to yours.

Start harassing this player with stupid accusations or get on playing?

Neither. Without an inspection option, it's impossible to know if someone is using the exact same build.

The answer is "remain blissfully ignorant".

Pretty sure no one has copied OP's build. I am sure it is not due to not wanting to try to copy their build as I am certain it is chokingly amazing but it would be hard to copy anyone's armor sets unless it procs something obvious.

xMovingTarget · June 2019

Ohtimbar wrote: »

ZOS could very simply sidestep all complaints by discarding the data instead of (poorly) anonymizing it. Problem solved and everyone Is happy.

This would make esologs completely and utterly useless. you need all data or none at all. It is fine as is. Nobody gives a crap about what other people use.
Only time I look into eso logs is after a raid evening of our raid team. I am almost certain that s what most people do. And those know each other builds anyways.

LukosCreyden · June 2019

I have come to the conclusion, after reading further, that this is a troll post. There is no other explanation. Move on, everyone. Nothing to see here.

Xogath · June 2019

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I... is this thread for real?

Was basically my first thought.

Nebthet78 wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

When you made your account, YOU agreed that your account was not your own private data lol. Privacy laws don't protect information that isn't private.

Again... agreeing to a Terms of Service, does not over ride the actual Privacy laws. Why do you think Facebook is being sued by so many Countries now??

I don't care if you agree or not.. I know what my rights are and I have made a formal compaint with my Countries Privacy Commissioner.

Lol

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · June 2019

I think the point he is making rather than his rant he should have the option of it being on his system so that if he did not want it on

xMovingTarget · June 2019

Also @OwnerOfSuccuby , Unless you tank nahvriintas hardmode through mark of death and nobody needs to heal you at all, while you also have the mini on you. Nobody would be interested anyways. People already use what works best. Unless your build is significantly better, which I doubt, It does not matter what you run.
Assuming you are a tank main. Since you tanked in the pledge earlier today.

Elwendryll · June 2019

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

There are a lot of sets - and stupid players enough to play meta - becouse can not do nothing by there own.

Those who know how to play and have brains make builds for their own - and they do not want to see tons of goats that are equiped the same.

If you like play like all - play by Alcast - i want to play by my own - and do not want to see pure copies ow my hard work !

What if you impressed someone and they really want to see your build and they realize you do 50k dps without following an Alcast build and it dawns upon them that all of it was a lie and the meta isn't unique and absolute. After that they go on a pilgrimage on some akaviri mountain and develop their own build while practicing their rotation for years and come back with their own unique and original gameplay.

I mean, I do my own builds, I have results. If someone want to copy it, go ahead, what harm does it cause to me? I'm not score pushing anyway.

Tigerseye · June 2019

I'm really not worried about anyone stealing my build (no one in their right mind would...).

However, I agree that builds should remain private, unless the owner of said build wishes to make it public.

Tigerseye · June 2019

RogueShark wrote: »

I don't understand.
Are you worried about other players in pve copying your build...?

We don't own anything in this game. Not our achieves or characters or accounts; especially not our builds. We're "renting". The "developers" or whatever can't steal what they already own...

We own our own data.

N00BxV1 wrote: »

The game should have a player inspect feature. What's there to hide anyway?

No.

Don't try to drag us down the WoW route.

It's not like that for very good reason.

Otherwise, you floaters will make that happen and then just go off to play WoW Classic (or whatever else is flavour of the month, by then) and leave us with it, even though the core ESO player, who stays here, doesn't want it.

Tigerseye · June 2019

wheel5 wrote: »

An excerpt from the ESO Terms of Service:

By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.

Your account info is not "private information".
@Nebthet78 @essi2

Not interested in contacts.

A contract doesn't and can't override the law.

You can write anything in a contract, but if it is found to contravene the law, it is null and void.

The question is what does the law say about all this?

...and also, what should it say about all this?

mairwen85 · June 2019

DLM wrote: »

wheel5 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

A Terms of Service does not override Privacy laws.... thanks for trying though.

When you made your account, YOU agreed that your account was not your own private data lol. Privacy laws don't protect information that isn't private.

If the TOS were saying that ZOS can come at your home and take your child, that wouldn't make it right. There are laws above TOS.

But the ToS don't say that, and could not make claims in any frame that is illegal or otherwise criminal. Here's the thing, hyperbole and strawmen do not defeat an argument with a clear definition. The in game data and analytics thereof do not violate privacy laws - - because (a) the data generated does not expose personal information of the sort that requires protection, and (b) the analysis of the same can only be linked to the originator by that person's own action(ie you must claim it = opt in).

We state agreement explicitly to non ownership of non personal information for the purpose of our own understanding. If you don't agree, don't play. Even if ToS wouldn't stand up in a court of law (which happens a lot), the definition of the data in question would resolve as moot under the assumption of criminality relating to privacy.

Your counter argument is vapid and has no bearing on the statement you're trying to refute with it.

Tl;dr : get a clue.

Edit

I forgot to address OP supposition.
'your' build is composed of assets that are the ownership of ZOS; all calculation and algorithms are owned by ZOS; the framework, infrastructure and data driving it are owned by ZOS. You can't claim ownership on it other than potential intellectual property of the conceptual configuration - - but, hell, honestly, you won't be the first to select a combination from a static pool of options.

mairwen85 · June 2019

Nvm. Post quoted was edited to remove reference to mine.

Coggage · June 2019

Honestly, what a load of angst over nothing. I've played since early 2014 and I've yet to have any interest in even LOOKING at someone's build, never mind copying it. I bet it's a very small fraction of the playerbase who would be interested in copying a build anyway, and if they ARE interested there are builds posted all over the Internet.