I used that as an example because I play it and know its features by heart, but feel free to compare other games.poleth1984 wrote: »WoW is not equal to ESO. ESO has an option to subscribe or not. WoW requires subscribing. Your arguement here would make more sense if WoW was able to be played free after buying thier expansions beyond lvl 20.Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
Why are we paying $15 a month and not getting free expansions with it anymore? So now I’m just paying $15 a month for a craft bag and some crowns? I do not like this change and I will not be purchasing the Elsweyr expansion. You guys have changed.
I already posted several comparisons with other 'free' to play MMOs on the market, so no need to complain about WoW because ESO's chapters are inferior to similar business modeled MMOs too. Not only that, but its chapters are lackluster compared to its own DLC system as well. Orsinium, CWC, Murkmire are all free DLCs with a sub, so let's not pretend that Elsweyr contains 30 dollars worth of extra content compared to those, nevermind compared to other games' expansions.Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
You sure you want to compare ESO Chapters with WOW BFA expac both require purchase.
OK, lets BFA - 6 new zones that have fewer quests which are not very well written and are mostly comprised of "go get me 10 bear paws". 6 new races - that are nothing but reworks and slight redrawings of existing races with similar names that are locked behind exaulted reputations with each faction. 2 raids actually and while well done are mostly negated due to the ease of gettting gear better than raid gear through both redundant world quests and warfronts. All existing raids and dungeons are completely irrelevant every expac. Players are running from WOW in droves because the content is so bad and the rest of the world is totally irrelavant for everything except transmog, pets and achievements. Montly sub fee - access to game.
ESO Elsweyr Chapter - always an option to include previous DLC's , plethora of well written interesting quests, delves, public dungeon, trial, caves, new race, dragons. Zone and quests were actually redesigned not just slight redesigns of exisiting areas. The entire game world remains relevant for crafting, gearing, questing, delves, caves, public dungeons, dungeons, trials. Free daily gifts for logging in. ESO+ subscriptions gives you free DLC content, bottomless crafting bag, double bank space, 10% increases to leveling, crafting, gold and research time, double furniture space in housing, special crown store deals and 1650 crowns to spend in the store every month.
I get much more for my money from ESO.
I already posted several comparisons with other 'free' to play MMOs on the market, so no need to complain about WoW because ESO's chapters are inferior to similar business modeled MMOs too. Not only that, but its chapters are lackluster compared to its own DLC system as well. Orsinium, CWC, Murkmire are all free DLCs with a sub, so let's not pretend that Elsweyr contains 30 dollars worth of extra content compared to those, nevermind compared to other games' expansions.Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
You sure you want to compare ESO Chapters with WOW BFA expac both require purchase.
OK, lets BFA - 6 new zones that have fewer quests which are not very well written and are mostly comprised of "go get me 10 bear paws". 6 new races - that are nothing but reworks and slight redrawings of existing races with similar names that are locked behind exaulted reputations with each faction. 2 raids actually and while well done are mostly negated due to the ease of gettting gear better than raid gear through both redundant world quests and warfronts. All existing raids and dungeons are completely irrelevant every expac. Players are running from WOW in droves because the content is so bad and the rest of the world is totally irrelavant for everything except transmog, pets and achievements. Montly sub fee - access to game.
ESO Elsweyr Chapter - always an option to include previous DLC's , plethora of well written interesting quests, delves, public dungeon, trial, caves, new race, dragons. Zone and quests were actually redesigned not just slight redesigns of exisiting areas. The entire game world remains relevant for crafting, gearing, questing, delves, caves, public dungeons, dungeons, trials. Free daily gifts for logging in. ESO+ subscriptions gives you free DLC content, bottomless crafting bag, double bank space, 10% increases to leveling, crafting, gold and research time, double furniture space in housing, special crown store deals and 1650 crowns to spend in the store every month.
I get much more for my money from ESO.
Also, please don't be disingeous when you list Elsweyr's features. An 'option to include previous DLCs' is not actually an Elsweyr feature, neither are base world zones or old sets, all of that comes with the base game. Free daily gifts also have nothing to do with it, somebody who didn't pay 30 dollars for Elsweyr content gets them the same as everyone. There is no new race is Elsweyr, and dragons are just world bosses with a different skin for a loot pinata. Or do you mean to say that 'Sloads' were a feature of Summerset too, and 'Hungers' were a feature of Morrowind too?
So what Elsweyr adds is really just one zone for questing (whether or not they're interesting is subjective I suppose, but SWTOR has just as epic if not more epic storytelling and has way more relevant choices), 1 trial, 1 class, 2 public dungeons. Delves and 'caves' (not sure what you mean by that, probably the same thing) are just instanced quest areas, and there is no difference between them and an overland quest area, or an elite encampment in other games' zones. Is that really 30 dollars more content than Orsinium, CWC and Murkmire?
Regarding the benefits of ESO+, other games have character-based banks so they don't need to give 'double bank space' because there's plenty of room, including separate free crafting material tabs that aren't locked behind a sub. The furniture limit isn't as much a sub reward as it is a punishment for non-subs because the 350 as default is entirely unreasonable when even 700 slots aren't enough (sure if it was 700 and 1400 with the sub then it would be a bonus). Other games also don't need to give you crowns so you can purchase Crown mounts for example because mounts are earnable ingame, and are even heavily tied with different types of mount mechanics ingame (GW2). And as for free DLC: it doesn't give access to chapters even though they said that subs would get the content updates for free (until they invented the chapter model which is barely more than DLC) - that's the point of this thread.
I'm not sure you do get it, honestly. In your mind, people can only praise something to the high heavens, because criticising one aspect of something autimatically means that they dislike the thing? If you watch a show for years, and you dislike a character or an episode, it means you must stop watching and never speak about right? If you eat a 5-course meal and don't like the carrots in the soup, you must hate the restaurant and shouldn't eat there? Yeah, no.I already posted several comparisons with other 'free' to play MMOs on the market, so no need to complain about WoW because ESO's chapters are inferior to similar business modeled MMOs too. Not only that, but its chapters are lackluster compared to its own DLC system as well. Orsinium, CWC, Murkmire are all free DLCs with a sub, so let's not pretend that Elsweyr contains 30 dollars worth of extra content compared to those, nevermind compared to other games' expansions.Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
You sure you want to compare ESO Chapters with WOW BFA expac both require purchase.
OK, lets BFA - 6 new zones that have fewer quests which are not very well written and are mostly comprised of "go get me 10 bear paws". 6 new races - that are nothing but reworks and slight redrawings of existing races with similar names that are locked behind exaulted reputations with each faction. 2 raids actually and while well done are mostly negated due to the ease of gettting gear better than raid gear through both redundant world quests and warfronts. All existing raids and dungeons are completely irrelevant every expac. Players are running from WOW in droves because the content is so bad and the rest of the world is totally irrelavant for everything except transmog, pets and achievements. Montly sub fee - access to game.
ESO Elsweyr Chapter - always an option to include previous DLC's , plethora of well written interesting quests, delves, public dungeon, trial, caves, new race, dragons. Zone and quests were actually redesigned not just slight redesigns of exisiting areas. The entire game world remains relevant for crafting, gearing, questing, delves, caves, public dungeons, dungeons, trials. Free daily gifts for logging in. ESO+ subscriptions gives you free DLC content, bottomless crafting bag, double bank space, 10% increases to leveling, crafting, gold and research time, double furniture space in housing, special crown store deals and 1650 crowns to spend in the store every month.
I get much more for my money from ESO.
Also, please don't be disingeous when you list Elsweyr's features. An 'option to include previous DLCs' is not actually an Elsweyr feature, neither are base world zones or old sets, all of that comes with the base game. Free daily gifts also have nothing to do with it, somebody who didn't pay 30 dollars for Elsweyr content gets them the same as everyone. There is no new race is Elsweyr, and dragons are just world bosses with a different skin for a loot pinata. Or do you mean to say that 'Sloads' were a feature of Summerset too, and 'Hungers' were a feature of Morrowind too?
So what Elsweyr adds is really just one zone for questing (whether or not they're interesting is subjective I suppose, but SWTOR has just as epic if not more epic storytelling and has way more relevant choices), 1 trial, 1 class, 2 public dungeons. Delves and 'caves' (not sure what you mean by that, probably the same thing) are just instanced quest areas, and there is no difference between them and an overland quest area, or an elite encampment in other games' zones. Is that really 30 dollars more content than Orsinium, CWC and Murkmire?
Regarding the benefits of ESO+, other games have character-based banks so they don't need to give 'double bank space' because there's plenty of room, including separate free crafting material tabs that aren't locked behind a sub. The furniture limit isn't as much a sub reward as it is a punishment for non-subs because the 350 as default is entirely unreasonable when even 700 slots aren't enough (sure if it was 700 and 1400 with the sub then it would be a bonus). Other games also don't need to give you crowns so you can purchase Crown mounts for example because mounts are earnable ingame, and are even heavily tied with different types of mount mechanics ingame (GW2). And as for free DLC: it doesn't give access to chapters even though they said that subs would get the content updates for free (until they invented the chapter model which is barely more than DLC) - that's the point of this thread.
Not being disingenuous (pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.) at all. I said ALWAYS AN OPTION TO PURCHASE PREVIOUS DLC'S WITH ALL CHAPTERS so it is a FEATURE of chapters. I listed things that were included on the landmass called Elsweyr and yes there are delves AND caves (look at your zone completion section). Loot pinatas or not there are dragons that were added to the game as was another class. I mispoke on an added race it is an added class so excuse me for my mistake.
I mentioned ESO+ because that is what MY SUB FEE gets me every month compared to what the WOW sub fee got me. You were the one who used WOW as a comparison and if you want to be fair then compare it all.
I get it, you don't like the game and that's fine but pretending that WOW BFA is in any way superior to it is just plain fantasy. I'll say the same thing to you that I've said to others, if you don't like a game then why play it. Life is far too short to do something that causes you this much consternation.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did they say it was a promise? Of course not. They merely informed us of a change to their business model. Zos never said they would never make adjustments to their business model in the future.
To suggest it is a promise is merely putting words in their mouth to support your opinion. It does not even come close to making it so. I was not pleased with the change but I call it what it is.
The more solid argument for saying Zos broke a promise would have been when they abandoned the subscriber model and went B2P. I am pretty sure they actually said they would not do that at one point before launch.
Matt Firor, Q1 2015, when subscription-only model was dropped (which, by the way, they promised to never drop in 2014...you're right on that one) and optional subscription model was introduced :
"Now you have the choice. Either you don't sub and you buy the additional content when it's released, or you sub and you will ALWAYS have access to the entire game without having EVER to spend anything beyond the sub". (No, don't ask me for a link, no time for that) but that's what he said. It was in an interview done together with the Bethesda PR guy, Pete Hines.
Just because the word "promise" isn't in the sentences doesn't mean it's not a promise. Unless you consider that your other half isn't "promising" you anything when he/she says "I'll never leave you".
The introduction of paying chapters is a broken promise. And ZOS know it very well. They combed through their entire ToS to adjust to this vocabulary trick.
Whether you personally think it's acceptable or not is another matter entirely. When a politician says "I won't raise taxes" while campaigning, and raises the taxes after being elected, it is a broken promise. Depending on your personal position regarding taxes, you may or may not think it's a problem, but broken promises, per se, are in my opinion far too widely accepted nowadays. As if anything within the boundaries of the law was acceptable.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did they say it was a promise? Of course not. They merely informed us of a change to their business model. Zos never said they would never make adjustments to their business model in the future.
To suggest it is a promise is merely putting words in their mouth to support your opinion. It does not even come close to making it so. I was not pleased with the change but I call it what it is.
The more solid argument for saying Zos broke a promise would have been when they abandoned the subscriber model and went B2P. I am pretty sure they actually said they would not do that at one point before launch.
OneForSorrow wrote: »I feel like Chapters should be half-off to members of ESO+ at the very least.
I used that as an example because I play it and know its features by heart, but feel free to compare other games.poleth1984 wrote: »WoW is not equal to ESO. ESO has an option to subscribe or not. WoW requires subscribing. Your arguement here would make more sense if WoW was able to be played free after buying thier expansions beyond lvl 20.Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.
Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s
Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.
GW2, Path of Fire, $30: 5 zone maps, 1 max level character boost, 5 mounts for everyone, 9 new class specialitazions, 18 adventures, new bounty system, free continued quests and more content added over the year at no cost whatsoever as part of their Living World content update system.
FFXIV, Shadowbringers, $40: 4 new zones, level cap increase, 2 new races, 2 new classes, new NPC recruit system, 9 new dungeons, 2 new raids.
SWTOR, Knights of the Eternal Throne, $10: free max level character boost, several new maps, 10 uprisings, new Galactic Command feature, new trial bosses.
I stand by my original statement.
“We Are paying customers who want the free content we are used to”
Morrowind a paid for expansion.
Murkmire a paid for expansion
Somerset a paid for expansion.
we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.
To be fair probably in a year
Thank you. All you have done is demonstrated that my comment you quoted is correct. You are trying to split hairs or put words into MattF's mouth that he made a promise.
I would also be surprised if Matt used the word always right after saying they broke a promise. After all, he is on the business side of things now, not the developer he used to be so he works with PR and attorney people when making and announcing changes like that.
Regardless, you do not have to buy the chapter to enjoy the new zone. It will become part of ESO+ in a year.
Edit: I as just searching for the announcement for Tamriel Unlimited and can only find 3rd party sites reporting on it. While they do say all dlc content will be available via ESO+ there is nothing to suggest this is a guarantee or promise. I think it would be expected most reasonable people would understand Zos could and would tweak the business model over the years. Especially so after they had just announced a major change to the business model.
2nd Edit: You are entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. I am just saying there is not anything that actually supports that Zos made a promise when they changed the business model to B2P/Sub model. It would be not to different than B2P players complaining about the crafting bag and double bank space.
I would also be surprised if Matt used the word always right after saying they broke a promise. After all, he is on the business side of things now, not the developer he used to be so he works with PR and attorney people when making and announcing changes like that.
MornaBaine wrote: »I notice the interviewer softballs most of their questions and does not follow up when Firor fails to answer them fully or answers them in a deflective way. I know journalism in this country is in a pretty laughable state these days but c'mon already.
MMORPG.com: While being an ESO Plus member, we’ll have access to all the DLC content that is released for free. Does this include any future expansions should ESO ever have them?
A: When you are a Plus member, you get access to all the DLC that is available when you are a member. So over time you’ll get access to more and more areas by being a member.
Note the non-answer on Firor's part. This question specifically stated EXPANSIONS and NOT DLC. The interviewer stated flat out he knew we'd get access to DLC with our subscription and what does Firor tell him? That we'll get access to DLC with our subscription. IMO, that was a little rude on Firor's part. He could have very easily said, "We haven't had a chance to really look at whether or not we'll be doing Expansions separate from DLC yet so I can't really speculate on how an Expansion might be implemented or presented yet." But, no.
That's the one that really caught my attention.
Edit: I as just searching for the announcement for Tamriel Unlimited and can only find 3rd party sites reporting on it. While they do say all dlc content will be available via ESO+ there is nothing to suggest this is a guarantee or promise. I think it would be expected most reasonable people would understand Zos could and would tweak the business model over the years. Especially so after they had just announced a major change to the business model.
2nd Edit: You are entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. I am just saying there is not anything that actually supports that Zos made a promise when they changed the business model to B2P/Sub model. It would be not to different than B2P players complaining about the crafting bag and double bank space.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »“We Are paying customers who want the free content we are used to”
Morrowind a paid for expansion.
Murkmire a paid for expansion
Somerset a paid for expansion.
LoL.
Murkmire has always been a DLC and has always been included in ESO+.
Would be nice if you knew what you're talking about before making such aggressive condescending posts, wouldn't it ? Just sayin'.