free expansions with ESO plus? What happened??

Jamdarius · May 2019

hunter937 wrote: »

Why are we paying $15 a month and not getting free expansions with it anymore? So now I’m just paying $15 a month for a craft bag and some crowns? I do not like this change and I will not be purchasing the Elsweyr expansion. You guys have changed.

Wait a year and it will be added to DLC like it happened with Morrowind.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.

No they didn't.

Girl_Number8 · May 2019

hunter937 wrote: »

Why are we paying $15 a month and not getting free expansions with it anymore? So now I’m just paying $15 a month for a craft bag and some crowns? I do not like this change and I will not be purchasing the Elsweyr expansion. You guys have changed.

It is called marketing and it seems to be run by a crafty khajiit.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Elsewyr is a Chapter and are excluded from the other dlc's like Wrathstone and Murkmire.

By this he means: ZOS came up with a cute new word to call these things other than DLCs and ta daaa now you pay.

Yeapers

Don't worry the white knights *shills* will be on in droves....

Emma_Overload wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

you do know that morrowind and summerset are now in Eso+ right?

just because you don't get it right now, doesn't mean you wont get it later.

the chapters are simply ZoS way of actually getting payed for the hard work.
while eso+ is for paying of the servers.

LOL, you have no idea what pays for what. For all you know 95% of ZOS revenue comes from dye stamps!

So true!! They need money for Rich's tattoo. Speaking of ink, did he ever get it yet?

Katahdin · May 2019

3 year old argument is old

It hasnt changed in 3 years its not going to change now.

Anyone that doesnt like it is free to speak with their wallet and not buy it.
You can always wait a year for the zone and the trial to become part of ESO+

LartenCrepsley · May 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

when you promise someone something you hold to it
when you make an agreement with someone about money you hold to it.
they did not hold to it.
they lied.

Read the terms of service, sinse day one there was a line in there allowing them to change/modify there game / policys whenever they pleased....

all mmos and online games have the same or similar quote within there terms of service... it gives the game and the developers freedom to change the game as the game needs changing

LartenCrepsley · May 2019

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

when you promise someone something you hold to it
when you make an agreement with someone about money you hold to it.
they did not hold to it.
they lied.

Read the terms of service, sinse day one there was a line in there allowing them to change/modify there game / policys whenever they pleased....

all mmos and online games have the same or similar quote within there terms of service... it gives the game and the developers freedom to change the game as the game needs changing

and yes it is a shady practice... but before you even opened the game, you agreed to those terms the first time you logged in... that was the oriignal "DEAL:" you made,

LartenCrepsley · May 2019

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

when you promise someone something you hold to it
when you make an agreement with someone about money you hold to it.
they did not hold to it.
they lied.

Read the terms of service, sinse day one there was a line in there allowing them to change/modify there game / policys whenever they pleased....

all mmos and online games have the same or similar quote within there terms of service... it gives the game and the developers freedom to change the game as the game needs changing

and yes it is a shady practice... but before you even opened the game, you agreed to those terms the first time you logged in... that was the oriignal "DEAL:" you made,

heres one such line from the Terms of service allowing them to change / modify the price of dlcs or content (sinse all content in the game is downloadable) whever they see fit

Downloadable Content may be free, redeemable, and/or purchased, and ZeniMax reserves the right to change the price of Downloadable Content at any time, without notice. Downloadable Content may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of the Services and Downloadable Content are permitted. Except as granted in a Game's EULA, ZeniMax hereby grants to You a limited, non-exclusive, personal, non-transferable license to use, view and display Downloadable Content that You have properly downloaded.

Pops_ND_Irish · May 2019

Geez

Lord-Otto · May 2019

Oh god, how willingly some sheep allow themselves to be devoured... I'll add a bit of oil to the fire.

What ARE the DLCs today? Two dungeon packs and a chapter. And then a short story one with zone.
Used to be, you got story DLCs. End of it. Remember Orsinium, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood? THAT was DLC. THAT was the deal.
ZOS are cutting down efforts on at least two DLCs (you pay for) per year to put the resources in their chapter. Which they then sell to you separately because "it's so big". You're being milked. Deceived. And you still defend it and rather bite the players, your own kind, than the ones exploiting you. If it wasn't so sad, I'd actually laugh.

Oh, and for good measure, remember how everything in clown crates was supposed to be buyable with gems? Well, enter the radiant apex mounts.

Acrolas · May 2019

There's a huge difference between exploiting people and steering the game in a more focused direction.
If you don't like it you don't have to keep playing the game. But don't accuse people of being deceived. It's not like the documentation isn't there to cite.

"In the past, we've released four major updates per year, most with an associated DLC. This has produced great DLC like Orsinium, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood for players in a regular cadence, and has been the perfect way to update the game with larger changes like One Tamriel. This cadence is perfect for smaller additions, but we've found that this approach is so aggressive that it hamstrings us a bit when it comes to introducing updates larger than DLC – that is, updates that include new content as well as features like system changes, new abilities, and new classes. This is why we are evolving to deliver some updates as “Chapters," with the target of having one Chapter per year."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25913

"[T]he Horns of the Reach DLC added two fantastic dungeons and showed our continuing commitment to supporting and expanding co-op group play. Expect to see more dungeon content every year, including two in 2018."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26275

And then the newest quote from the Xbox magazine, explaining how starting in 2019 the Chapter and all three DLC will be one large story with directly related content.

idk · May 2019

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

LartenCrepsley wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

when you promise someone something you hold to it
when you make an agreement with someone about money you hold to it.
they did not hold to it.
they lied.

Read the terms of service, sinse day one there was a line in there allowing them to change/modify there game / policys whenever they pleased....

all mmos and online games have the same or similar quote within there terms of service... it gives the game and the developers freedom to change the game as the game needs changing

and yes it is a shady practice... but before you even opened the game, you agreed to those terms the first time you logged in... that was the oriignal "DEAL:" you made,

heres one such line from the Terms of service allowing them to change / modify the price of dlcs or content (sinse all content in the game is downloadable) whever they see fit

Downloadable Content may be free, redeemable, and/or purchased, and ZeniMax reserves the right to change the price of Downloadable Content at any time, without notice. Downloadable Content may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of the Services and Downloadable Content are permitted. Except as granted in a Game's EULA, ZeniMax hereby grants to You a limited, non-exclusive, personal, non-transferable license to use, view and display Downloadable Content that You have properly downloaded.

Very good point.

When this change was announced over two years ago we griped and griped to no avail. But in the end we voted with our wallets and seem to have clearly told Zos this new model will work since this is the third year they have done this now.

So it is a little late to grip in the forums about a change made a couple years ago. If you do not like this model do not buy into it. Wait for it to become a normal DLC and buy it then/get it with ESO+.

Lord-Otto · May 2019

Acrolas wrote: »

There's a huge difference between exploiting people and steering the game in a more focused direction.
If you don't like it you don't have to keep playing the game. But don't accuse people of being deceived. It's not like the documentation isn't there to cite.

"In the past, we've released four major updates per year, most with an associated DLC. This has produced great DLC like Orsinium, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood for players in a regular cadence, and has been the perfect way to update the game with larger changes like One Tamriel. This cadence is perfect for smaller additions, but we've found that this approach is so aggressive that it hamstrings us a bit when it comes to introducing updates larger than DLC – that is, updates that include new content as well as features like system changes, new abilities, and new classes. This is why we are evolving to deliver some updates as “Chapters," with the target of having one Chapter per year."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25913

"[T]he Horns of the Reach DLC added two fantastic dungeons and showed our continuing commitment to supporting and expanding co-op group play. Expect to see more dungeon content every year, including two in 2018."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26275

And then the newest quote from the Xbox magazine, explaining how starting in 2019 the Chapter and all three DLC will be one large story with directly related content.

Yeah. Like I said, two smaller DLCs to build one bigger - and sell it to you. They even state they're shrinking DLCs to build chapters.
It's not whether I like it or not. It's whether this was agreeable with our deal back then and how predatory ZOS' monetization tactics are. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

NewBlacksmurf · May 2019

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.

No they didn't.

Actually they did many times when the initial subscription was removed from PC at the start of ESO Plus.

Excellion · May 2019

DBZVelena wrote: »

you do know that morrowind and summerset are now in Eso+ right?

just because you don't get it right now, doesn't mean you wont get it later.

the chapters are simply ZoS way of actually getting payed for the hard work.
while eso+ is for paying of the servers.

since when is summerset part of eso+? I've been an eso+ subscriber since i started the game roughly 2 months ago, and never had access to summerset, except when i bought it couple weeks ago.

RebornV3x · May 2019

They called it a Chapter and that doesn't count apparently only DLC even thought the Chapter is a DLC but well no point in beating a dead horse

Ixilith · June 2019

Danikat wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.

Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.

Even after Tamriel Unlimited they carried on advertising the subscription by saying it would include access to all additional content. It was literally on the day Morrowind was announced they changed it to say all DLC would be included and made a huge fuss about how a Chapter is something different to a DLC and of course that wouldn't be included because it's such a big update with so much content...then a year later they stripped out the warden class and called it a DLC again.

There was a lot of controversy at the time, with a lot of understandably angry subscribers. But absolutely nothing changed as a result so by now people have pretty much given up complaining. If anyone was actually going to quit or stop subscribing as a result they've done it by now, and the rest accepted they'd only get 2 releases a year as part of their subscription and have to pay extra (or wait a year) for the 3rd.

Whether you think subscribing is worth it under the current model is up to you. I don't, but then I didn't think it was worth it before Morrowind either.

You do get all additional content for free in eso+ there was no promised time frame which you would get that content, only that all content would become free content within that subscription.

You don’t need to pay, nothing in elsweyr is gamebreaking for a player without it, as necromancer isn’t game breaking and the 6 skill shards aren’t needed either given how many skyshards already exist in the game.

If you honestly believe the £300s worth of DLC content and all new DLC content isn’t worth it I don’t know what you really consider worth it.

But given this is exactly like every other mmorpg this has become the accepted model realistically.

ESO expansions are cheaper then other MMORPGs.

ESO subscription is both optional and cheaper then other MMORPGs

You have to accept when playing a game with optional F2P model the game has to earn money somehow. And expansions are that way.

MMORPGs are likely to be one of the cheapest forms of entertainment in existence.

Cinema? £17 a month + food costs of each time going. Or you pay over £10 a time for a 2 hour movie each time.

Television? Monthly television packages are more expensive then Internet. and taking cheaper packages generally results in not having the channels which 99% of the new stuff is released.

Arts and crafts, the quantity of Materials you need and more will cost you more then a sub fee.

Gym membership? £30-40 a month.

Swimming? The one I live near charges £2 a entry, which still adds up to £60 a month for daily access.

Litterally, if you find gaming is too expensive. You must litterally have 0 hobbies. As this is as cheap as it gets realistically.

Merlight · June 2019

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+ there was no promised time frame which you would get that content, only that all content would become free content within that subscription.

Pathetic attempt to defend ZOS. At no point since Chapters were introduced did ESO+ include all additional content. Second bolded part lacks source, or did you just make it up?

Ixilith · June 2019

Merlight wrote: »

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+ there was no promised time frame which you would get that content, only that all content would become free content within that subscription.

Pathetic attempt to defend ZOS. At no point since Chapters were introduced did ESO+ include all additional content. Second bolded part lacks source, or did you just make it up?

Morrowind and Somerset are both now in ESO+ what makes u think elsweyr won’t go into that same model upon the next expansion next year?

Let’s try another argument then.

After 2 PAID FOR expansions, why do u feel they should give elsweyr for free, litterally u say the company said stuff right at the start you claim they are still saying it.

Yet morrowind and Somerset both were expansions both weren’t included in eso+ and both costed money. So if your so passionate about it being F2P why are you still here after morrowind.

Legit if they said anything about no extra costs outside eso+ morrowind would have been the point the company lied. At this point it’s be apart of the model as it’s been upheld.

Games been charging players a additional fee for expansions since it’s first launched expansion. Why were u expecting it to be free after all of this?

Stop talking of outdated sources reguardless of what you claim they have already released 2 expansions which weren’t included in the eso+ on their releases and players had to buy those expansions on top of a ESO subscription.

I’d expect these arguments from first expansion release, but third? Why lol. This should have been obvious. Unless your a new player and weren’t here to know both morrowind and Somerset used to cost RL money

Morrowind went to eso+ when Somerset was released.

Somerset went to eso+ when elyswer came out.

Elsweyr will go to eso+ when the next expansion is released.

You get all the content on eso+, but after the expansion ends.

If you go to ur crown store page, click ESO+ it has it in BOLD WRITING that you get DLC content for free with the subscription and specifys chapters ARE NOT DLC .

The games got the info in the god damn game to say chapters aren’t free. The game on every level tells you the chapters aren’t free. The tips in the loading screen specify ESO+ for god damn DLC content.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2019

idk wrote: »

Edit; Zos did clearly say added content would be part of ESO+ 4 years ago, but that is not a promise.

What is it, if not a promise ? It was a PROMISE. A commitment. Which they did not respect. And that's very shameful.

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

And again. It's not a promise. It's not a legally binding contract.

It was a promise, and just because it's not legally binding does not make it okay to break it. I still see it as a major breach of trust and I don't consider ZOS or Bethesda as trustworthy companies anymore, because of this. I chose to keep on playing (with minimum expenses : not a single penny more than subbing+chapters) because I enjoy the game but the company's image is forever lost in my view.

That being said, that ship has long sailed and the OP should have known by now what we could not possibly know back in 2015.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2019

Excellion wrote: »

since when is summerset part of eso+? I've been an eso+ subscriber since i started the game roughly 2 months ago, and never had access to summerset, except when i bought it couple weeks ago.

Summerset is DLC/ESO+ since Elsweyr's release.

Merlight · June 2019

Ixilith wrote: »

After 2 PAID FOR expansions, why do u feel they should give elsweyr for free, litterally u say the company said stuff right at the start you claim they are still saying it.

No, I said you were a liar posting false information to defend their greedy monetization stunts.

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+

^ This is a lie, and you know it.

Ixilith wrote: »

If you go to ur crown store page, click ESO+ it has it in BOLD WRITING that you get DLC content for free with the subscription and specifys chapters ARE NOT DLC .

The games got the info in the god damn game to say chapters aren’t free. The game on every level tells you the chapters aren’t free. The tips in the loading screen specify ESO+ for god damn DLC content.

Pops_ND_Irish · June 2019

always payed for chapters. Get dlc for eso plus and craft bag.
Worth paying for the chapters, thank you ZoS

poleth1984 · June 2019

bluebird wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.

Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.

Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s

Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.

Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.

WoW is not equal to ESO. ESO has an option to subscribe or not. WoW requires subscribing. Your arguement here would make more sense if WoW was able to be played free after buying thier expansions beyond lvl 20.

Ixilith · June 2019

poleth1984 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

we were told and promised that as long as we were subbed we would never have to pay to visit other zones.
they lied.
its not fair.

Tamriel Unlimited was a relaunch of the game. Anything quoted for the original subscription-only edition of the game became outdated information on March 17, 2015.

Actually they've said that during tamriel unlimited announcments and soon after. It was their way to keep newly created ESO+ relevant. They've said during tamriel unlimited stream that new ESO plus will give You acces to all downloadable content. Later on they just changed name of one type of the DLC to chapter and decided to charge money for that separately which they continue to do since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxYZLOS5Jw&t=1760s

Yep, pretty much this. The precedent that ESO+ subs get new content for free was already set up when they decided that they could start charging for their DLC if they rename them 'Chapters'. Compare Elsweyr to Orsinium, CWC, or Murkimire for example - those have a story zone, world bosses, their own crafting and furniture motifs, dailies, a trial or an arena, and are considered free DLC. But if Elsweyr includes a class it suddenly costs £30-50? Lol.

Not to mention the sub-nonsub-model that ESO are going with... the value of ESO 'expansions' is significantly less than other MMOs. Battle for Azeroth, WoW's latest expansion costs £40, and comes with 6 new zones, 6 new races, 1 trial and 10 dungeons. If players remain subs, they get free access to all the new content, including new zones, new trials, and added new races over time. Elsweyr as an 'expansion't obviously offers far less content for barely less £30-50. And it offers barely more than free DLCs. So it seems like the people that get the worst deal are ESO+ subs that buy Elsweyr.

WoW is not equal to ESO. ESO has an option to subscribe or not. WoW requires subscribing. Your arguement here would make more sense if WoW was able to be played free after buying thier expansions beyond lvl 20.

Oki then, GW2 charges u for expansions.

Ixilith · June 2019

Merlight wrote: »

Ixilith wrote: »

After 2 PAID FOR expansions, why do u feel they should give elsweyr for free, litterally u say the company said stuff right at the start you claim they are still saying it.

No, I said you were a liar posting false information to defend their greedy monetization stunts.

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+

^ This is a lie, and you know it.

Ixilith wrote: »

If you go to ur crown store page, click ESO+ it has it in BOLD WRITING that you get DLC content for free with the subscription and specifys chapters ARE NOT DLC .

The games got the info in the god damn game to say chapters aren’t free. The game on every level tells you the chapters aren’t free. The tips in the loading screen specify ESO+ for god damn DLC content.

That’s a lie what don’t you get??

ESO+ gives u the crowns to buy the classes

All chapters become DLCs once the next arrives

So please tell me what u don’t get with eso+, tell me something you will never have access or ability to enter at any point of the future...

Morrowind, mirkmire and Somerset are all on DLC now, elsweyr will become a DLC also, warden is in the crown shop which ur able to buy with the crowns the subscription provides you

P.s delaying content isn’t saying no. It’s delayed content, it’s not content that ur completely excluded from just content you have to wait to obtain. Which giving expansions away free is unheard of in the mmorpg market. Not really greedy

I’m not a liar I’m simply fine with it as I feel these should be paid for outside a sub, f2p is cancer and should have never become a thing in mmos

Merlight · June 2019

Ixilith wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+

^ This is a lie, and you know it.

Ixilith wrote: »

If you go to ur crown store page, click ESO+ it has it in BOLD WRITING that you get DLC content for free with the subscription and specifys chapters ARE NOT DLC .

The games got the info in the god damn game to say chapters aren’t free. The game on every level tells you the chapters aren’t free. The tips in the loading screen specify ESO+ for god damn DLC content.

That’s a lie what don’t you get??

ESO+ gives u the crowns to buy the classes

All chapters become DLCs once the next arrives

So please tell me what u don’t get with eso+, tell me something you will never have access or ability to enter at any point of the future...

You never get access to all content with just ESO+. Each month you pay for ESO+ subscription, you get partial access for that month only, and are locked out of the latest Chapter. At no point in time you get access to all content.

Let's say xlOLDBOYlx subscribes to ESO+ for the whole year 2019. For the first 5 months he doesn't get access to Summerset. For the next 7 months he doesn't get access to Elsweyr. Your argument that he will eventually get access to all content is false. Even if he still subscribes in 2020, he will be locked out of the 2020 Chapter.

Ixilith wrote: »

P.s delaying content isn’t saying no. It’s delayed content, it’s not content that ur completely excluded from just content you have to wait to obtain. Which giving expansions away free is unheard of in the mmorpg market. Not really greedy

It's not delayed content, it's excluded. When you buy ESO+ for June 2019, you're not getting access to Elsweyr in June 2020. As an ESO+ subscriber you're always excluded from some content, for the entirety of your subscription there's something locked behind additional payment. By the time the Chapter you've been waiting for gets included in ESO+, there's another Chapter you're excluded from. No amount of waiting will make your ESO+ grant full access. If you're fine with that, okay. But don't say ESO+ includes all content, that's not true.

Ixilith · June 2019

Merlight wrote: »

Ixilith wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Ixilith wrote: »

You do get all additional content for free in eso+

^ This is a lie, and you know it.

Ixilith wrote: »

If you go to ur crown store page, click ESO+ it has it in BOLD WRITING that you get DLC content for free with the subscription and specifys chapters ARE NOT DLC .

The games got the info in the god damn game to say chapters aren’t free. The game on every level tells you the chapters aren’t free. The tips in the loading screen specify ESO+ for god damn DLC content.

That’s a lie what don’t you get??

ESO+ gives u the crowns to buy the classes

All chapters become DLCs once the next arrives

So please tell me what u don’t get with eso+, tell me something you will never have access or ability to enter at any point of the future...

You never get access to all content with just ESO+. Each month you pay for ESO+ subscription, you get partial access for that month only, and are locked out of the latest Chapter. At no point in time you get access to all content.

Let's say xlOLDBOYlx subscribes to ESO+ for the whole year 2019. For the first 5 months he doesn't get access to Summerset. For the next 7 months he doesn't get access to Elsweyr. Your argument that he will eventually get access to all content is false. Even if he still subscribes in 2020, he will be locked out of the 2020 Chapter.

Ixilith wrote: »

P.s delaying content isn’t saying no. It’s delayed content, it’s not content that ur completely excluded from just content you have to wait to obtain. Which giving expansions away free is unheard of in the mmorpg market. Not really greedy

It's not delayed content, it's excluded. When you buy ESO+ for June 2019, you're not getting access to Elsweyr in June 2020. As an ESO+ subscriber you're always excluded from some content, for the entirety of your subscription there's something locked behind additional payment. By the time the Chapter you've been waiting for gets included in ESO+, there's another Chapter you're excluded from. No amount of waiting will make your ESO+ grant full access. If you're fine with that, okay. But don't say ESO+ includes all content, that's not true.

I’m seeing the misunderstanding here

I’m not saying you at any point have the same content a paying customer has (and you shouldn’t) I’m saying that there is no content which doesn’t have a scheduled date of release into ESO+

Elsweyr has a date which it will be on eso+ it’s just not the same date as it’s release, your taking this way to Litteral and that’s where ur making the mistake in this market.

“ESO+ will unlock everything to you”

This statement isn’t saying you will be on par with a paying customer. It’s saying that you will have access to it AT SOME POINT via your subscription.

They didn’t promise you the same release date as us, they merely stated it will be released on ESO+ they gave u no date. No confirmination it would be with us either. You took a sentence applied your own context and believed it.

This is the fact, expansions should charge you additional money. Like all entertainment does have additional fees, weather it’s the food bill at the cinema, or eating out when u go shopping, or the landline charge when u buy internet. This is life.

Everything has extras, everything has additional fees when you rip those extra transactions out a lot of companies would struggle to even themselves.

Your solution would bankrupt the company, this solution keeps the game online. They can’t afford to just hand you everything for free. And sadly life owes you nothing.

Either buy the expansion, or wait for it to go on sale, or wait for your guys release date on eso+ there’s no reason you should get the same *** as someone putting down £40 to buy this while paying the same subscription as you. They’re supporting a game so u don’t have to.

Merlight · June 2019

Ixilith wrote: »

“ESO+ will unlock everything to you”

This statement isn’t saying you will be on par with a paying customer. It’s saying that you will have access to it AT SOME POINT via your subscription.

And that's another false statement. Also funny. Since when are ESO+ subscribers not paying customers?
You're stuck with your idea that ESO+ is perpetual, but it isn't. It's a monthly pass with partial access.

Ixilith wrote: »

Your solution would bankrupt the company, this solution keeps the game online. They can’t afford to just hand you everything for free. And sadly life owes you nothing.

What my solution? I don't remember suggesting anything that could be described as such in this topic. Neither has anyone here requested anything for free. They're paying customers, and they requested that their subscription includes the same amount of new content they were used to. Read Lord-Otto post above, that's what this thread is about.

idk · June 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Edit; Zos did clearly say added content would be part of ESO+ 4 years ago, but that is not a promise.

What is it, if not a promise ? It was a PROMISE. A commitment. Which they did not respect. And that's very shameful

Did they say it was a promise? Of course not. They merely informed us of a change to their business model. Zos never said they would never make adjustments to their business model in the future.

To suggest it is a promise is merely putting words in their mouth to support your opinion. It does not even come close to making it so. I was not pleased with the change but I call it what it is.

The more solid argument for saying Zos broke a promise would have been when they abandoned the subscriber model and went B2P. I am pretty sure they actually said they would not do that at one point before launch.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2019

idk wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Edit; Zos did clearly say added content would be part of ESO+ 4 years ago, but that is not a promise.

What is it, if not a promise ? It was a PROMISE. A commitment. Which they did not respect. And that's very shameful

Did they say it was a promise? Of course not. They merely informed us of a change to their business model. Zos never said they would never make adjustments to their business model in the future.

To suggest it is a promise is merely putting words in their mouth to support your opinion. It does not even come close to making it so. I was not pleased with the change but I call it what it is.

The more solid argument for saying Zos broke a promise would have been when they abandoned the subscriber model and went B2P. I am pretty sure they actually said they would not do that at one point before launch.

Matt Firor, Q1 2015, when subscription-only model was dropped (which, by the way, they promised to never drop in 2014...you're right on that one) and optional subscription model was introduced :

"Now you have the choice. Either you don't sub and you buy the additional content when it's released, or you sub and you will ALWAYS have access to the entire game without having EVER to spend anything beyond the sub". (No, don't ask me for a link, no time for that) but that's what he said. It was in an interview done together with the Bethesda PR guy, Pete Hines.

Just because the word "promise" isn't in the sentences doesn't mean it's not a promise. Unless you consider that your other half isn't "promising" you anything when he/she says "I'll never leave you".

The introduction of paying chapters is a broken promise. And ZOS know it very well. They combed through their entire ToS to adjust to this vocabulary trick.

Whether you personally think it's acceptable or not is another matter entirely. When a politician says "I won't raise taxes" while campaigning, and raises the taxes after being elected, it is a broken promise. Depending on your personal position regarding taxes, you may or may not think it's a problem, but broken promises, per se, are in my opinion far too widely accepted nowadays. As if anything within the boundaries of the law was acceptable.

(edit : typos)