There's no point in keep talking about this, Reflect is gone... DKs are easy targets now. Adapt or die...

Right now I'm feeling DKs are the easiest class to kill in PvP hahaha

What so many fail to see is the bigger picture. Even ZoS fails here; With the nerf to wings the one true predator to magsorcs (and magblades, but its not them I am worried about) vanished. DKs with wings were, and rightly so, according to the stone, paper, scissor theory around eso pvp, the only class which could challenge a good magsorc. Now with the super potency of ranged combos, theres no good magsorc bursters left. And no, sniper catching a magsorc with shields down, doesnt count.
So what has happened now? half of the pop in BG's are magsorcs, with and/or without pets. In cyrodiil theres ONE 1vx class left, thats magsorcs. Actually, maining a stamDK, for me, I dont have the biggest issue with this. The new wings mitigates so much I can normally withdraw and just cancel the fight if I dont see a good opportunity. If the magsorc is decent, there wont be such an opening, so I go away. But for classes not so tanky from their designed intentionally perspective, the situation is worse. Hence why the meta is tanker than ever, to survive and escape. Not to kill.
So what will be the outcome here? During the next two months, two things will happen; Magsorcs WILL be nerfed, dont doubt it, and medium armour will be buffed. All these because of the change originally done to wings. So come autumn (september) medium armour burstblades will be absolutely cancer. Magsorcs damage will be puny and DKs will be tankier than ever. Thank you zos. Can we return to somewhere around Sommerset?

Valencer wrote: »

Oh, a good magblade can't kill a mediocre DK that keeps wings up?

If only mediocre nightblades had a skill or something that would allow them to become very hard to kill as well. Maybe make them untargetable for the duration? Hmmm

In fact it was automatic, you fired reach then cloak. Reflection not found.

On top of that, wings were prety noticeable and range (beloved range) allowed you to see the projectile coming back to you (except in the case of bows, but that's a cue problem), so you had the chance to block, dodge, cloak, heal, shield, etc. unless you were in middle of a zerg not paying attention to what you were doing.

I fought DKs a lot. I fought them on magblades with bows and staves, on sorcs with bows and staves and even with templars using bows and staves. I killed a lot of them, and thek killed me a lot of times too, but it was NEVER because of wings. It was when they closed the range . So if anybody comes to tell me that his/her build was "shut down" because of a reflectable skill... sorry, first it is your fault for throwing 4 projectiles in less than 6 secs. Don't you think that that playing style deserves punishment in some way? Mashing buttons has never, ever be considered a skilled playing style. True, spamming wings mindlessly wasn't skilled too, but that mindless spam was just a consequence of the first.

Now there's no consequences. You can still mash buttons, but you won't be punished for that, and that's utterly wrong.

Regarding DKs complaining about cloak... sorry. It must be tretaed in the same way than old wings. You have counters, then use them. Advocating for a nerf on a skill that has counterplay will just put you at the same level than those who cried "nerf" when they spammed their projectiles against wings.

Finally, the only solution was making strife unreflectable, just like soul trap... because I imagine you know that soul trap is unreflectable, right?

NBrookus wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

My friend mains a magdk, and last night I asked him about it. His response was to the tune that it's "a buff on paper" but that it "took a lot of the fun out of the ability". Why, he couldn't outright articulate. We eventually discussed enough and he agreed with me that the most likely reason it was less fun was that you can't see it working.

Before it was a skill that required your opponent to change their behavior, and you were rewarded when they didn't. Now it's a boring self buff. A strong buff, to be sure, but just another thing to keep in your buff rotation.

"change their behavior", you can't change your sets, skills, and weapons during combat. Additionally, this was just to counter a single ability from a single class. The reflect mechanic was broken and there was no counterplay, only counterbuilding (something that kills build diversity and limited the number of free slots you can use for a build). It had to go, instead of being stuck in the past, try coming up with ways the new ability can be improved.

I think wings are useless now. 50 % damage mitigation against projectiles doesn't justify slotting it in my opinion.

Not quite sure what to replace it with though.