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Please add a Dungeon Finder with no "kick-possibility"
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Darkenarlol✭✭✭✭✭
✭when you use DF tool you take your risks of
joining an absolutely random party (usually bad for vet dlc)
for sure it has it own flaws and abuse possibility
(it was something new to me that not only 3 "elitists"
kicking some random "noob" for lack of skill/cp etc
but a bunch of low lv/cp/skill guys are kicking veterans
players because they are *too fast %^*&* for them)
but so far DF is good as it is if you follow one simple rule:
if you have ANY specific requirements about fast/slow clear,
achievements, skill cap, CP, level, DPS etc - just form a pre-made.
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Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The problem that I have with the idea is that it punishes people who aren't abusing the kick option. I've never kicked anyone for low DPS, tanking in a less than optimal manner, going too slow, or not being a super healer. You basically have to be an ass to get kicked. This proposal makes it to where 3 people who attempting to work together, trying, being polite to each other, or otherwise getting along well enough clear the content like normal humans must eat a penalty or endure one ass on the rare occasions that they encounter one.
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The kick tool is there for removing non-contributing for players
Sure sometimes it’s not used for that, but most the time it is used when someone is clearly not up to the task0 -
Nilarynpaw✭✭✭How about adding a premade group finder which would allow players to list their group with a title like "doing quest in xy dungeon", "leveling alts", "quick run" etc. And you could select the dungeon's name too, where you want to do your staff.
You could select your team mates then queue for the dungeon.
Also , you could add a short descreption where you could inform your future team mates if you're a newbie player and still learning mechanics etc.
I know, you could write this in the zone chat too, but this would make things quicker in my opinion.PC EU: 810+ CP"Only the Aldmeri—the High Elves and their noble allies, the Wood Elves and Cat-Men—have the wisdom and restraint to peaceably rule the disparate peoples of Tamriel. [...] Men always follow the destructive path of their defender and apologist, the Missing God whom we shall not name. [...] The world has gone wrong, and we must put it right. March proudly beneath the eagle banner of the Aldmeri Dominion! "0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only safe way to pug is as a team of 2 or 3.
You always get strange results in there. Like this week, a friend and me went in for randoms on our new 20ish chars and got feedback ranging from 'bad DPS' over to 'thanks' up to 'stop rushing'. Yes, people 400+ complaining that the two 20+ guys on scrolls rush.
So, use your imagination which results you can get with a ditch-free queue.0 -
MiyukiShiba✭✭✭Everybody saying form your own group, easy like that. Not easy to find people taking the time to teach others about the dungeon or people just joining to have fun in the dungeon instead of rushing. Once i was in a normal dungeon and i was stopping to get a chest and i got complaints for that. I am not even free to loot a chest? lol Nah come on that's a joke and that's way i always go with one mate so no one can kick. I don't kick any low lvl, i let them finishing a quest or taking their time because i am with randoms and i get what i get and same should be for the others. I would ask to those elitist to form their own premade group and make the favor to all the others who wanna just have fun.Edited by MiyukiShiba on May 31, 2019 1:42PM1 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem with no-kick is you will get someone who does nothing but follow along and loot. You know it'll happen.
If you want a slow run the best thing to do is a zone or guild shout and form a group. I guess ZOS could make a check box for queuing for "speed run" and "regular run" but it may be more trouble than it's worth as the dungeon finder doesn't work half the time as it is.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso1 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭you have to remember that other people want to "just have fun" in this game, and carrying someone through content who can't fufill the role they're promising isn't fun for a lot of people.
just because you're bad at the game doesn't mean you can use the excuse "i only play for fun!" everyone plays for fun.
These are essentially my sentiments, as well. A group dungeon is not just about you, there are 3 other people there. To be kicked, all 3 have to think you are ruining THEIR fun. We need the kick feature.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. Where the majority will define how the run will go. If your demands include anything beyond that (slow or fast) you will have to make your own group.
^ this should really be part of the confirmation pop-up...0 -
Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. Where the majority will define how the run will go. If your demands include anything beyond that (slow or fast) you will have to make your own group.
^ this should really be part of the confirmation pop-up...
And this is good because ? Why this "majority" should decide for me ? Why should i be forced to skip bosses because its "faster" that way ? Why should they have abitility to waste 20-30 minutes of my waiting time in the queue ?
On which KITTEN planet doing dungeon as intended ( i.e all bosses + quest ) is a KITTEN SPECIAL DEMAND ?2 -
Radiance✭✭✭✭✭
✭I tolerate everyone in normal dungeons bc they are there for people to learn but I have no patience for people who Q for Vet dungeons long before they're ready. Although I will agree it sometimes sucks when you Q into a group of friends who will vote you out if you question their preparedness, I didn't start Q'ing for Vets until I was well into 300 CPs bc I didn't want to hinder a group. People just need to be considerate, you're not the only one playing and not everyone has the extra time to carry you.0 -
Nightingale707✭✭✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. Where the majority will define how the run will go. If your demands include anything beyond that (slow or fast) you will have to make your own group.
^ this should really be part of the confirmation pop-up...
And this is good because ? Why this "majority" should decide for me ? Why should i be forced to skip bosses because its "faster" that way ? Why should they have abitility to waste 20-30 minutes of my waiting time in the queue ?
On which KITTEN planet doing dungeon as intended ( i.e all bosses + quest ) is a KITTEN SPECIAL DEMAND ?
Because that is how it works. If you are in a group of 4 people, and 3 of those agree how they want to do a certain project, person 4 can either do it that way or find another group. Why should one person decide for the other 3? Why would 3 people waste their time if they are ok with skipping bosses and do it faster just because one player wants to roleplay?
And just to bring this into perspective: most of the players that like to skip will happily go the long way around if you let them know right at the start, that you have the quest and need to kill a certain boss.0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. Where the majority will define how the run will go. If your demands include anything beyond that (slow or fast) you will have to make your own group.
^ this should really be part of the confirmation pop-up...
And this is good because ? Why this "majority" should decide for me ? Why should i be forced to skip bosses because its "faster" that way ? Why should they have abitility to waste 20-30 minutes of my waiting time in the queue ?
On which KITTEN planet doing dungeon as intended ( i.e all bosses + quest ) is a KITTEN SPECIAL DEMAND ?
Because there are 4 people in a dungeon. Why is your time in queue more important than theirs?
If 3 guys want to do a quick run and you are not interested in that you can ask them to kick you or leave the group. Same way you can kick one guy who is rushing in a slow group. Simple.2 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭Well,....
... with this "GRP Finder TOOL" you can also get "fake Tanks", "toxic players" , reaaaalllly bad DPS in vet content (and they are not ready for it).
With your idea, those ppl can do whatever they want, until every1 else is going to leave the grp. That ofc, would end in a penalty for leaving.
Therefore ... BIG NOPE.
Even if you don't want to hear it ... its a MMOrpg --> other players , different opinions and expectations.
If you get kicked ... many times... maybe and just maybe ... there is some kind of truth behind those actions ?
As @Tasear mentioned above ... GUILDS ... FRIENDLIST ... problem solved. In ESO you can join 5 ! not 1, not 2 ... FIVE guilds. Your friendlist has a capacity of 100 players (additional to guilds) !
Furthermore... I've accepted your challenge/invitation to git gud posts....
(PS: to "git gud" enough to be in normal dungeons without living in fear of being kicked ... isn't that hard. If you join a premade team of 3/4 players ... with toxic personality ... bad luck happens.)
Edited by Lisutaris on May 31, 2019 2:44PM0 -
Nilarynpaw wrote: »How about adding a premade group finder which would allow players to list their group with a title like "doing quest in xy dungeon", "leveling alts", "quick run" etc. And you could select the dungeon's name too, where you want to do your staff.
You could select your team mates then queue for the dungeon.
Also , you could add a short descreption where you could inform your future team mates if you're a newbie player and still learning mechanics etc.
I know, you could write this in the zone chat too, but this would make things quicker in my opinion.
This ^ is even better
I hope ZoS actually implement this0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nilarynpaw wrote: »How about adding a premade group finder which would allow players to list their group with a title like "doing quest in xy dungeon", "leveling alts", "quick run" etc. And you could select the dungeon's name too, where you want to do your staff.
You could select your team mates then queue for the dungeon.
Also , you could add a short descreption where you could inform your future team mates if you're a newbie player and still learning mechanics etc.
I know, you could write this in the zone chat too, but this would make things quicker in my opinion.
The idea just makes the workings of GF more complicated and I’m the end doesn’t mean anything changes.
For those who have special goals or criteria the solution has always been available. Form your own group.0 -
Nilarynpaw wrote: »How about adding a premade group finder which would allow players to list their group with a title like "doing quest in xy dungeon", "leveling alts", "quick run" etc. And you could select the dungeon's name too, where you want to do your staff.
You could select your team mates then queue for the dungeon.
Also , you could add a short descreption where you could inform your future team mates if you're a newbie player and still learning mechanics etc.
I know, you could write this in the zone chat too, but this would make things quicker in my opinion.
The idea just makes the workings of GF more complicated and I’m the end doesn’t mean anything changes.
For those who have special goals or criteria the solution has always been available. Form your own group.
Let's remove Guild Finder then!
What's the point of having it? Fullfill the last member of your premade group? :P (so incase he has to find you and he isn't worthy enough you kick him)
Also, from my personal point of view, you can't really rely on always finding a group and people willing to help you0 -
Gordon906✭✭✭People are doing dungeons and trials for a specific reason, and they aren't letting someone holding then back just to mess around.0 -
MiyukiShiba wrote: »Everybody saying form your own group, easy like that. Not easy to find people taking the time to teach others about the dungeon or people just joining to have fun in the dungeon instead of rushing. Once i was in a normal dungeon and i was stopping to get a chest and i got complaints for that. I am not even free to loot a chest? lol Nah come on that's a joke and that's way i always go with one mate so no one can kick. I don't kick any low lvl, i let them finishing a quest or taking their time because i am with randoms and i get what i get and same should be for the others. I would ask to those elitist to form their own premade group and make the favor to all the others who wanna just have fun.
Totally agree on this1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MiyukiShiba wrote: »Everybody saying form your own group, easy like that. Not easy to find people taking the time to teach others about the dungeon or people just joining to have fun in the dungeon instead of rushing. Once i was in a normal dungeon and i was stopping to get a chest and i got complaints for that. I am not even free to loot a chest? lol Nah come on that's a joke and that's way i always go with one mate so no one can kick. I don't kick any low lvl, i let them finishing a quest or taking their time because i am with randoms and i get what i get and same should be for the others. I would ask to those elitist to form their own premade group and make the favor to all the others who wanna just have fun.
It is easy to for, groups and find people interested in helping players learn. But the effect starts with you. Finding a good active social guild pays dividends in the end. Nit wanting to put any effort into it and expect Zos to hold your hands isn’t going to reap much reward because they’re not our mother.0 -
Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. Where the majority will define how the run will go. If your demands include anything beyond that (slow or fast) you will have to make your own group.
^ this should really be part of the confirmation pop-up...
And this is good because ? Why this "majority" should decide for me ? Why should i be forced to skip bosses because its "faster" that way ? Why should they have abitility to waste 20-30 minutes of my waiting time in the queue ?
On which KITTEN planet doing dungeon as intended ( i.e all bosses + quest ) is a KITTEN SPECIAL DEMAND ?
Because that is how it works. If you are in a group of 4 people, and 3 of those agree how they want to do a certain project, person 4 can either do it that way or find another group. Why should one person decide for the other 3? Why would 3 people waste their time if they are ok with skipping bosses and do it faster just because one player wants to roleplay?
And just to bring this into perspective: most of the players that like to skip will happily go the long way around if you let them know right at the start, that you have the quest and need to kill a certain boss.
Doing all bosses and quest is a "roleplay" ? What ? And "how it works" is not an asnwer or reason for anything. By by the way doing all bosses or quest will not make your run 20-30 mins longer.
I shouldnt ask anything. Doing all bosses and quest is a default behavior. Runners simply abusing that fact - i cant stop them from running bu they can stop me from doing quest. Its basically bullying as it is.2 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Eso version of GW2 lfg-fixed.
GW2 LFG system.
1. No queue built in
2. No fake X opportunity
3. Player driven group composition & playstyle
Just some examples of a ESO version GW2 LFG system posts,
Lf2m CP300+ all dps speed run
Lf1m CP800+ Healer skin run, know fights
Lf3m any lvl dd/tank Pledge runs
Lf1m Storymode - No CP slow run
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Looking_For_Group1 -
Eso version of GW2 lfg-fixed.
GW2 LFG system.
1. No queue built in
2. No fake X opportunity
3. Player driven group composition & playstyle
Just some examples of a ESO version GW2 LFG system posts,
Lf2m CP300+ all dps speed run
Lf1m CP800+ Healer skin run, know fights
Lf3m any lvl dd/tank Pledge runs
Lf1m Storymode - No CP slow run
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Looking_For_Group
This would probably be the best solution for everyone1 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KobaSSTheSlumpGod wrote: »Nilarynpaw wrote: »How about adding a premade group finder which would allow players to list their group with a title like "doing quest in xy dungeon", "leveling alts", "quick run" etc. And you could select the dungeon's name too, where you want to do your staff.
You could select your team mates then queue for the dungeon.
Also , you could add a short descreption where you could inform your future team mates if you're a newbie player and still learning mechanics etc.
I know, you could write this in the zone chat too, but this would make things quicker in my opinion.
The idea just makes the workings of GF more complicated and I’m the end doesn’t mean anything changes.
For those who have special goals or criteria the solution has always been available. Form your own group.
Let's remove Guild Finder then!
What's the point of having it? Fullfill the last member of your premade group? :P (so incase he has to find you and he isn't worthy enough you kick him)
Also, from my personal point of view, you can't really rely on always finding a group and people willing to help you
You are basically complaining that better players aren’t forced by group finder to carry you if they choose not to (although many times they will be fine with carrying you in a normal dungeon, so be glad for that. But if they don’t, and ALL 3 others decide to kick, that is life, it’s not always about you (or me)).
The solution has been pointed out to you many times. When I was very noob and first started doing normal dungeons, I was in Tasear’s guild. It was great and perfect for exactly the sort of thing you are looking for. I’m sure there are many more similar guilds. Go find one.
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Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KobaSSTheSlumpGod wrote: »Eso version of GW2 lfg-fixed.
GW2 LFG system.
1. No queue built in
2. No fake X opportunity
3. Player driven group composition & playstyle
Just some examples of a ESO version GW2 LFG system posts,
Lf2m CP300+ all dps speed run
Lf1m CP800+ Healer skin run, know fights
Lf3m any lvl dd/tank Pledge runs
Lf1m Storymode - No CP slow run
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Looking_For_Group
This would probably be the best solution for everyone
Unfortunately it seems to grab little traction in this community, but does fix every complaint & issue.1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Have you been stuck in a vet DLC dungeon with a fake tank? Have you been stuck in any vet dungeon with a noodle DPS? Have you suffered the horror of being in either with a player who refuses to learn, let alone obey the mechanics?
That's when you thank the devs for the kick option. Why should 3 people be forced to quit a dungeon when one person is the cause of all that is wrong?1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KobaSSTheSlumpGod wrote: »Eso version of GW2 lfg-fixed.
GW2 LFG system.
1. No queue built in
2. No fake X opportunity
3. Player driven group composition & playstyle
Just some examples of a ESO version GW2 LFG system posts,
Lf2m CP300+ all dps speed run
Lf1m CP800+ Healer skin run, know fights
Lf3m any lvl dd/tank Pledge runs
Lf1m Storymode - No CP slow run
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Looking_For_Group
This would probably be the best solution for everyone
Unfortunately it seems to grab little traction in this community, but does fix every complaint & issue.
Pretty sure GW2 lacks the toxicity of the CP system and has more of specific tanking build vs just a tank. So the comparison isn’t very comparable. The most absurd thing Zos coulda did is to allow us to set our own conditions for CP. if you have a problem with that form your own group.0
