remove faction lock, i didnt pay money for a game where you get told what side to play for 30 days.

LindsC · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

VinayExile · May 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

That is the problem you should care about campaign scores.
That is what AvAvA is all about. There is also plenty of play for small scale, i.e. BGs and unlocked campaigns.

No there is not, bg and unlocked campaigns are dead after 10pm. The only campaign there is action on is the 30 day cp campaign.

And were not role players fighting for the queen or whatever, and campaign scores are nonsense because the rewards are ***.
So why would anyone care about camp scoring.

Well bud I do along with a PvP guild of 400 others.
We don't like Cyro being turned in to a farming simulator.

I dont care what you want, for all I care you can keep zerging keeps with 400 people, we just want to pvp with a group if 5-10 ppl max.
Not for farming not for the campaign just for open world pvp.

Likewise I don't care what you want either.
You were given a whole other mode to play small scale in.
Good news we have faction lock back finally.

Oh yea? Wich mode is that? BG's?
Bgs are dead after 11pm.

I don't think you even know what I mean with smallscale.
It's not your smallscale, were not zerging down keeps with 40 people or going 3v3v3 in bg.
I'm talking 10vs a faction sometimes even 2 factions.

VinayExile · May 2019

LindsC wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

Yes, and it was removed for a reason!
And they also had 3 campaigns back then for cp, not just 1.

maboleth · May 2019

Too much freedom for people and "speech" nowadays. Learn to embrace the changes, even if they are restrictive.
Otherwise this game and all the fun will turn into muddy, heavily diluted mess, catering lazy brats and spoiled casuals.

The change devs did was to prevent faction hoppers and abusers. And kudos to devs on that! Finally you stick with your alliance though all the bad and good, ups and downs.

You can always do Imperial City or Battlegrounds if pvp is your thing outside of Cyrodiil. Plenty of stuff to do.

jircris11 · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

when i log in, i look what faction has the most people, and not to play on the winning side gives me alot more action.
this also goes for the group i play with.
I didnt start this game or pay money to be told to play the same thing for 30 days without any chance to change.

I want to pvp whenever i want, where i want, and not be limited to for example EP if they have the upper hand and there is nothing to do on that faction at that time.
Then i want to relog to another faction, and pvp on that to be able to play on a map that is totally red.

A simple solution would be to be able to play the campaign, but not to be able to get any ranked points.
Just normal ap, without being on the ranked list.

You can thank the faction swapping idiots for this. Honestly I'm glad it's back as this is a FACTION BASED pvp mode.

ZonasArch · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

LindsC wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

Yes, and it was removed for a reason!
And they also had 3 campaigns back then for cp, not just 1.

They still have 3 Cp campaigns, you know?

Royaji · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

LindsC wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

Yes, and it was removed for a reason!
And they also had 3 campaigns back then for cp, not just 1.

They still have 3 Cp campaigns, you know?

That post is not going to end well for your argument. Just saying.

Undefwun · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

They should just remove pvp scoring if you switch.

on all your toons that play that campaigtn..no rewards

zaria · May 2019

How would an daily / 20 hour lock work?
This would restrict tactical jumping but let you play with guilds in various alliances.

Yes if you have one in each alliance you could select an fitting one for the day.

khajiitNPC · May 2019

I play in small groups of about 8-10 and we LOVE the return of faction lock. But then again we all have characters on the same alliance. Too bad for you.

This isn’t a Zerg mentality, it’s a game design mentality, there are plenty of alternatives. Those who play AvAvA should get some sort of benefit for playing one alliance. So get over it. Go QQ into Molag Bal’s Muatra.

idk · May 2019

Van_Winkle wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

when i log in, i look what faction has the most people, and not to play on the winning side gives me alot more action.
this also goes for the group i play with.
I didnt start this game or pay money to be told to play the same thing for 30 days without any chance to change.

I want to pvp whenever i want, where i want, and not be limited to for example EP if they have the upper hand and there is nothing to do on that faction at that time.
Then i want to relog to another faction, and pvp on that to be able to play on a map that is totally red.

This is faction-pvp game, not free-pvp. If you do not like this - go play some asian MMO. For my opinion returning of faction lock was a great idea.

Considering OP started this game when there was no faction lock this comment makes zero sense.

Further, it is the lamest argument and would be like someone telling you a couple months ago to go play some stupid lame game because you don’t like the fact we don’t have faction locks. See how that sounds.

templesus · May 2019

+1, remove it please

ZonasArch · May 2019

Royaji wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

LindsC wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

Yes, and it was removed for a reason!
And they also had 3 campaigns back then for cp, not just 1.

They still have 3 Cp campaigns, you know?

That post is not going to end well for your argument. Just saying.

What argument? I was pointing out a fact, and there is no arguing a fact... 30days cp, 7days cp, and IC cp. 3 Cp campaigns. Fact.

FearlessOne_2014 · May 2019

I personally welcome the Faction Lock. Simply because massive amounts of PvP guilds and players was abusing it to troll Cyrodiil and what not.

You know you have the option of the campaign that is not faction locked right? So why try to force non faction locks when they already exist.

You have a place and from what I see it's mostly empty. So on that note the community at large has spoken and endorsed the Faction Locked campaigns.

I am sorry if you Cyrodiil trolls can no longer troll the factions. Without implying logistics to do so. Now if you want to utilize that type of abuse. You all are going to have to go out of your way to do so, with multiple accounts.

Why cry when ZOS gave you guys a non locked campaign, unless your intentions are to just troll and spoil the fun of others playing the game, how it was intended?

Good day!

Royaji · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

LindsC wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You paid money for a game in which there is an alliance war and you pick a faction when you play.

If this happened Pre-One-Tamriel no one would bat an eye

There was no faction lock pre tamriel either

Yeah there was. If a character was in a certain alliance and entered a campaign, no characters on the opposing factions could enter that campaign

Yes, and it was removed for a reason!
And they also had 3 campaigns back then for cp, not just 1.

They still have 3 Cp campaigns, you know?

That post is not going to end well for your argument. Just saying.

What argument? I was pointing out a fact, and there is no arguing a fact... 30days cp, 7days cp, and IC cp. 3 Cp campaigns. Fact.

LMAO

IC campaign is our saviour, guys xD

Girl_Number8 · May 2019

Hyperion616 wrote: »

So, being new to the game when you pick a faction (faction based game) when you pvp you champion the cause of said faction you picked right?

So, is the issue people are having because they can't switch up factions on a dime when their side is losing and hop onboard the win train on the faction that is dominating?

I haven't really experience a whole lot in this game, I've been pve'ing for achievement unlocks and what pvp I did do was from level 10-22 no cp and that was in bg's and it was pretty brutal.

Thanks

No. People are upset because solo 1 v X and small scale players 2 v X can't switch to the losing side and actually play PvP with fighting. When the map is dominated by one fraction it is boring because there is nothing to do. So I would rather go to the losing side for some action, where there are actually players to fight against. That is all.

There is an unlocked CP 7 day but it is dead usually. There should of been a non-Cp unlocked 7 day, as well to be fair.

And looking for experienced opponents to fight and fighting outnumbered is taking PvP Cx. Plus it is fun.

LiquidPony · May 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Here is a good example why faction lock is needed.
Right now on PS4 NA Vivec there are 2 days left in the campaign where AD is ahead.
EP is in second place and want to make a push, but lo and behold a large number of EP have jumped over to AD to enjoy winning side rewards so there is not enough EP population to push.

This is really the dividing line between those who like faction locking and those who don't.

I could not possibly care less about which faction wins a campaign.

I just like to PvP sometimes, and I sometimes I need AP, and sometimes I want to farm Transmutes. But I've played this game since beta and never once have I cared or even really noticed which faction actually won the campaign.

So for me, faction locking is just a hindrance. Makes it much harder to farm Transmutes. Makes it harder to swap around in order to get the best short-term experience. Makes it harder to "play how I want" because now I can't really play CP PvP on all of my characters and get any rewards out of it.

And I would guess that the majority of the playerbase doesn't really care who wins a given campaign, either.

However, the people who take PvP seriously and spend most of their time in Cyrodiil probably do care. And I think it's good that ZOS made a change that caters to the people who take the content seriously. That said, I think the current system needs some tweaks. An additional 30-day campaign would be great so that everyone can have all of their characters homed in a full campaign, or perhaps there's some other compromise that would let the serious PvPers have the experience they want without unduly hindering everyone else.

snowmanflvb14_ESO · May 2019

rumple9 wrote: »

The fact that its sunday afternoon and none of the alliances are at full population (PC EU), when normally you have to queue to get in, says it all - Faction lock is turning players away from the game

or it could be that everyone is playing their new necro either doing the new quests or in the under 50 campaign

FearlessOne_2014 · May 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Here is a good example why faction lock is needed.
Right now on PS4 NA Vivec there are 2 days left in the campaign where AD is ahead.
EP is in second place and want to make a push, but lo and behold a large number of EP have jumped over to AD to enjoy winning side rewards so there is not enough EP population to push.

This is really the dividing line between those who like faction locking and those who don't.

I could not possibly care less about which faction wins a campaign.

I just like to PvP sometimes, and I sometimes I need AP, and sometimes I want to farm Transmutes. But I've played this game since beta and never once have I cared or even really noticed which faction actually won the campaign.

So for me, faction locking is just a hindrance. Makes it much harder to farm Transmutes. Makes it harder to swap around in order to get the best short-term experience. Makes it harder to "play how I want" because now I can't really play CP PvP on all of my characters and get any rewards out of it.

And I would guess that the majority of the playerbase doesn't really care who wins a given campaign, either.

However, the people who take PvP seriously and spend most of their time in Cyrodiil probably do care. And I think it's good that ZOS made a change that caters to the people who take the content seriously. That said, I think the current system needs some tweaks. An additional 30-day campaign would be great so that everyone can have all of their characters homed in a full campaign, or perhaps there's some other compromise that would let the serious PvPers have the experience they want without unduly hindering everyone else.

You people do know, there is a almost always empty unlocked campaign right? Why not play there with each other, and leave the faction lock PvPers alone?

It seems that the players who don't like faction locked campaigns are the minority here.

LiquidPony · May 2019

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Here is a good example why faction lock is needed.
Right now on PS4 NA Vivec there are 2 days left in the campaign where AD is ahead.
EP is in second place and want to make a push, but lo and behold a large number of EP have jumped over to AD to enjoy winning side rewards so there is not enough EP population to push.

This is really the dividing line between those who like faction locking and those who don't.

I could not possibly care less about which faction wins a campaign.

I just like to PvP sometimes, and I sometimes I need AP, and sometimes I want to farm Transmutes. But I've played this game since beta and never once have I cared or even really noticed which faction actually won the campaign.

So for me, faction locking is just a hindrance. Makes it much harder to farm Transmutes. Makes it harder to swap around in order to get the best short-term experience. Makes it harder to "play how I want" because now I can't really play CP PvP on all of my characters and get any rewards out of it.

And I would guess that the majority of the playerbase doesn't really care who wins a given campaign, either.

However, the people who take PvP seriously and spend most of their time in Cyrodiil probably do care. And I think it's good that ZOS made a change that caters to the people who take the content seriously. That said, I think the current system needs some tweaks. An additional 30-day campaign would be great so that everyone can have all of their characters homed in a full campaign, or perhaps there's some other compromise that would let the serious PvPers have the experience they want without unduly hindering everyone else.

You people do know, there is a almost always empty unlocked campaign right? Why not play there with each other, and leave the faction lock PvPers alone?

It seems that the players who don't like faction locked campaigns are the minority here.

Reading is hard.

Playing an empty no-CP 7-day campaign accomplishes literally none of the objectives that I listed above. What a horrible "solution".

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

That is the problem you should care about campaign scores.
That is what AvAvA is all about. There is also plenty of play for small scale, i.e. BGs and unlocked campaigns.

No there is not, bg and unlocked campaigns are dead after 10pm. The only campaign there is action on is the 30 day cp campaign.

And were not role players fighting for the queen or whatever, and campaign scores are nonsense because the rewards are ***.
So why would anyone care about camp scoring.

Well bud I do along with a PvP guild of 400 others.
We don't like Cyro being turned in to a farming simulator.

I dont care what you want, for all I care you can keep zerging keeps with 400 people, we just want to pvp with a group if 5-10 ppl max.
Not for farming not for the campaign just for open world pvp.

So you play in a 5-10 man group, do you know any other groups of that size you could coordinate with to get some XvX going on the 7 day? If you made friends with some other guilds it sounds like the 7 day could be pretty hopping, and the fights would be a lot better than blob bombing pugzergs.

Faction lock is probs here to stay, you should coordinate with other highly skilled small man groups and turn the 7 day in to a real champion level battle ground where only the best dare enter. To me this seems like a great opportunity for a PVP renaissance.

karekiz · May 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Playing an empty no-CP 7-day campaign accomplishes literally none of the objectives that I listed above. What a horrible "solution".

Solution:

Remove 7 day replace with additional 30 day non faction lock.

Qbiken · May 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

That is the problem you should care about campaign scores.
That is what AvAvA is all about. There is also plenty of play for small scale, i.e. BGs and unlocked campaigns.

No there is not, bg and unlocked campaigns are dead after 10pm. The only campaign there is action on is the 30 day cp campaign.

And were not role players fighting for the queen or whatever, and campaign scores are nonsense because the rewards are ***.
So why would anyone care about camp scoring.

Well bud I do along with a PvP guild of 400 others.
We don't like Cyro being turned in to a farming simulator.

I dont care what you want, for all I care you can keep zerging keeps with 400 people, we just want to pvp with a group if 5-10 ppl max.
Not for farming not for the campaign just for open world pvp.

Likewise I don't care what you want either.
You were given a whole other mode to play small scale in.
Good news we have faction lock back finally.

BG is not small-scale exclusive content. Small-scale is as much part of the AvAvA war as zerg vs zerg is (even tho I think small-scale need more love)

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Faction lock is here to stay, and let's hope it gets spread to the remaining campaigns. Those that don't like it, don't understand the concept of the game.

Taleof2Cities · May 2019

Royaji wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

I have 3 main PvP toons that were created before or during morrowind chapter. Years old now. Before faction locks were a thing. One on each faction. I'm now screwed out of those 2 characters.

How are you screwed though?

Choose an Alliance to play characters in the Alliance-locked campaigns.

For the off-Alliance characters, choose the 7-day campaign that is not faction locked.

Everybody wins.

I prefer no-CP.

No winning for me, huh?

If you’re saying those off-Alliance characters take up more PvP time than your main Alliance characters ... then you might have a good argument.

Qbiken · May 2019

All these people commenting about "faction trolls"......I've heard too much tinfoil can be bad for you.

Bam_Bam · May 2019

VinayExile wrote: »

Van_Winkle wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

when i log in, i look what faction has the most people, and not to play on the winning side gives me alot more action.
this also goes for the group i play with.
I didnt start this game or pay money to be told to play the same thing for 30 days without any chance to change.

I want to pvp whenever i want, where i want, and not be limited to for example EP if they have the upper hand and there is nothing to do on that faction at that time.
Then i want to relog to another faction, and pvp on that to be able to play on a map that is totally red.

This is faction-pvp game, not free-pvp. If you do not like this - go play some asian MMO. For my opinion returning of faction lock was a great idea.

so the whole game is one tamriel, where you do dungeons and *** with anyone you want.
but now all of the sudden, they think hey, lets just make every alliance seperate again?

just no, we should be able to play where you want whenever you want.
its fine if you can only get emp on 1 faction, or only get scoring on 1, but i play the game for pvp, not points.

Unlucky. Man up and pick a side or jog on.

BuddyAces · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Posted before and I'll post it again. I have 3 main PvP toons that were created before or during morrowind chapter. Years old now. Before faction locks were a thing. One on each faction. I'm now screwed out of those 2 characters. There's a couple others that I'll dabble on from time to time but whatever on those. Either do what that one fella said about making a 30 day non locked and see what the community decides they like best or make it so I can at least faction lock my account so I can play every toon on that faction. I mean, I own any race/alliance already

Shor.

You mean the campaign that has like 10 people playing on it every time I check?

JumpmanLane · May 2019

Hyperion616 wrote: »

So, being new to the game when you pick a faction (faction based game) when you pvp you champion the cause of said faction you picked right?

So, is the issue people are having because they can't switch up factions on a dime when their side is losing and hop onboard the win train on the faction that is dominating?

I haven't really experience a whole lot in this game, I've been pve'ing for achievement unlocks and what pvp I did do was from level 10-22 no cp and that was in bg's and it was pretty brutal.

Thanks

Who cares about the faction! Half of the people who login EP PCNA are on my kill on sight list. I can’t stand them. Lol.

The EP fools who did faction swap I made SURE I killed lol. Now I can only tbag them when AD or DC kills em lol oh well...

Ramber · May 2019

Is "Wahhhh" shaming?