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If Crown Crates get removed, what happens to our Crown Gems?
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Ertosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭UglyBunnyCu wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »They won't be banned, but if they are, ZOS will just start selling the crown crate contents as individually purchasable items.
Which is what most of us wanted them to do all along. Here's hoping.
As to the OP, one would HOPE, shoudl that come to pass, that they would be converted to a reasonable amount of actual crowns. But I wouldn't count on it.
I think it would be unfair if you couldn't exchange to crowns because you've put real money in gems as well
Ironic that some people want to get rid of the crates but don't want to lose their gems.
You can't have it both ways.
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Hope they won't be. It is the reason the game is still up imo. Let the whales be whales.
LOL the game was doing fine before Crown Crates and it will continue to be fine after Crown Crates. This game never needed the crates.
The shareholders do.
Except Zenimax Media Inc. (their parent company) is a private company. The only "shareholders" are their employees.
They are not publicy traded, ergo a private company. LOL The employees don't own the company, where did you come up with that?Fear is the Mindkiller4 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Let's see what the Belgian ESO players have to say!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465883/belgium-people-i-have-a-question
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UglyBunnyCu wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »They won't be banned, but if they are, ZOS will just start selling the crown crate contents as individually purchasable items.
Which is what most of us wanted them to do all along. Here's hoping.
As to the OP, one would HOPE, shoudl that come to pass, that they would be converted to a reasonable amount of actual crowns. But I wouldn't count on it.
I think it would be unfair if you couldn't exchange to crowns because you've put real money in gems as well
Ironic that some people want to get rid of the crates but don't want to lose their gems.
You can't have it both ways.
If I have gems on my account that I paid real money to get, they better find a reasonable way to convert them to crowns or allow us to spend them.
There just won't be a way to get more gems if crates actually do go away ( doubt they will though)
However you'll probably get one crown per 100 gems knowing Zo$.Edited by Katahdin on May 15, 2019 3:28PMBeta tester November 20136 -
wolfie1.0.✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Most of the talk is centered around minors and loot boxes that dont disclose their drop rates and other factors. ZOS'S crown crate system would not likely be impacted as ESO had a mature rating from the ESRB which means that it is not meant for minors to play. It's not a pay yo win type set up either, so as far as loot boxes go crown crates are pretty low on the target for removal scale. EA, epic, and blizzard may get in trouble if this goes through. A lot of their business model for the last few years has been centered around pushing loot crates to younger and younger audiences7 -
cheifsoap✭✭✭✭✭[edited]
Do you really think ZoS is gonna completly remove crown crate because ONE country want to ban them ?My god some people are really *** stupid
Do you really think ZoS is gonna completly remove crown crate because ONE country want to ban them ?
This is ironic. There are plenty of other countries that are changing their loot crate laws.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-status-of-loot-boxes-around-the-world-and-whats-next/
^ is from last year, there are probably other countries that have joined in with the fun but this was found through a simple google search
Its just the fault on parents being dumb to let kids play on game with lootbox, this bs would never happens if some adult knew how to controls their child and how they let them use the credit card
No one was talking about the fault being on the parents. I was simply showing you that the US isn't the only country trying to solve this problem.
Also, how's the view from up there?Edited by ZOS_RikardD on May 15, 2019 11:07PM3 -
Hiruda✭✭✭My god some people are really *** stupid
Do you really think ZoS is gonna completly remove crown crate because ONE country want to ban them ?My god some people are really *** stupid
Do you really think ZoS is gonna completly remove crown crate because ONE country want to ban them ?
This is ironic. There are plenty of other countries that are changing their loot crate laws.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-status-of-loot-boxes-around-the-world-and-whats-next/
^ is from last year, there are probably other countries that have joined in with the fun but this was found through a simple google search
Its just the fault on parents being dumb to let kids play on game with lootbox, this bs would never happens if some adult knew how to controls their child and how they let them use the credit card
No one was talking about the fault being on the parents. I was simply showing you that the US isn't the only country trying to solve this problem.
Also, how's the view from up there?
Except the problem is still with parents and kids, most of this "ban lootbox" thing is because of kids getting addicted to gambling, i dont remember which country wanted to inforce the +18 thing on game with lootbox
if kids werent playing game and spending *** of money with their parents credit card, this *** would probably never happens
Nobody force other people to buy lootboxes, so i dont see where is the problem
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's not going to happen, and certainly not in the next two years, buuuuuuut....
It would be relatively trivial to offer stuff for sale for crown gems for a few cycles, or offer a gem-to-crown conversion.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UglyBunnyCu wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »They won't be banned, but if they are, ZOS will just start selling the crown crate contents as individually purchasable items.
Which is what most of us wanted them to do all along. Here's hoping.
As to the OP, one would HOPE, shoudl that come to pass, that they would be converted to a reasonable amount of actual crowns. But I wouldn't count on it.
I think it would be unfair if you couldn't exchange to crowns because you've put real money in gems as well
Ironic that some people want to get rid of the crates but don't want to lose their gems.
You can't have it both ways.
Why not? If crates went away, what would disappear is the ability to buy more crates. Not the fact that you bought some in the past. Not the stuff that you already got from them - costumes, emotes, styles, mounts.... gems.
If the problem is the incentivizing of buying "unknown random stuff" / "gambling", using the gem currency to buy specific items from a gem shop has nothing to do with it. So the theoretical banning of crates wouldn't have any effect on gems already in circulation. They're just a currency to spend on things.1 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They'll probably convert gems to crowns in a 1-1 exchange rate so 700$ later you got $7 crownsEdited by Mettaricana on May 15, 2019 5:27PM1 -
I don't see them getting banned. I would imagine they're a fairly profitable aspect of the crown store which ensures the game gets funding and those who work on the game get paid. I'm not sure why so many people seem upset when ZoS tries to make the game profitable. There are people working on the game who need to get paid. I guess maybe it's their method?2 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭On a semi-related note, I have several dozen items I'll probably never use, and I can convert them to gems and then spend the gems on stuff I'd rather have, like pets or mounts. But I'm leery of doing that because I don't know how it all works.
Specifically, (1) how do you convert such an item to gems, and (2) do you just get one gem per converted item or are some items worth more gems?I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »On a semi-related note, I have several dozen items I'll probably never use, and I can convert them to gems and then spend the gems on stuff I'd rather have, like pets or mounts. But I'm leery of doing that because I don't know how it all works.
Specifically, (1) how do you convert such an item to gems, and (2) do you just get one gem per converted item or are some items worth more gems?
Some items are worth more than others--if you go to the gem conversion screen it shows the ratios and whatnot. It's super straightforward, you'll get the hang of it quick.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Some items are worth more than others--if you go to the gem conversion screen it shows the ratios and whatnot. It's super straightforward, you'll get the hang of it quick.
Thank you! I'll try it with something I know I'll never use to see how it works. I was just so sure I'd probably do something to mess it up.
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You guys that are trying to hide behind the M rating are like someone trying to shield themselves from an oncoming train using a trash can lid.
Most of the people that write and pass these kind of laws barely even understand the things they pass laws on. Many don't even bother reading the laws before they vote in favor of them, some even going so far as to openly mock people who suggest that they should. The chances that ESO won't be impacted by a law concerning loot boxes are slim to none.
We've been through this sort of thing before. It's the reason the ESRB exists. All in the name of protecting children.
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✭✭✭✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Hope they won't be. It is the reason the game is still up imo. Let the whales be whales.
LOL the game was doing fine before Crown Crates and it will continue to be fine after Crown Crates. This game never needed the crates.
The shareholders do.
Except Zenimax Media Inc. (their parent company) is a private company. The only "shareholders" are their employees.
"Privately owned" just means the shares aren't publicly traded, not that no one owns shares. Christopher Weaver is currently the largest shareholder at 33%. Providence Equity Partners owns 25%. There are others.
And "private company" and "employee owned" aren't even close to the same thing."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think you are greatly over-estimating how quickly a law will get written, passed and signed into law even if everything went smoothly. There would probably be a grace period to allow adoption, or other limitations like the game not being available to children the only stipulation could be a thing which would exclude ESO since it's a mature game. This doesn't even count all the lobbyists that will be working against the bill to kill it or water it down and let's not forget the current president's brother is one of zeni's shareholders - so veto. I don't see this happening nationwide. Tighter regulation would probably be the best hope in the future - harder age restrictions, odds revealed, etc. more-so than an outright ban.-- @xaraan --
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Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭Nope! Crown Crates are here to stay, my apologies or congratulations as needed.
If any Law against loot boxes is EVER passed (which I doubt), then ESO just has to make a mechanic to earn them in the game... & they're perfectly legal again.
In every country this came up in the game company MADE A SMALL TECHNICAL CHANGE and then they were compliant.
& technically for ESO its NOT gambling in the legal sense... because the box is NEVER empty.
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭You guys that are trying to hide behind the M rating are like someone trying to shield themselves from an oncoming train using a trash can lid.
Most of the people that write and pass these kind of laws barely even understand the things they pass laws on. Many don't even bother reading the laws before they vote in favor of them, some even going so far as to openly mock people who suggest that they should. The chances that ESO won't be impacted by a law concerning loot boxes are slim to none.
We've been through this sort of thing before. It's the reason the ESRB exists. All in the name of protecting children.
Lootboxes are illegal in Belgium according to the link in this very thread. Crates are still being sold there. Zero impact.
This is about protecting CHILDREN from predatory practices. That is why many are bringing up the M rating, a rating not meant for children.Edited by Sevn on May 15, 2019 7:19PMThere is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Whatever ZOS wants. Your account, characters and everything is their property.
There are a lot of players who would let them have all their toys back, if the mothership gets too oppressive with with the regs and restrictions.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0 -
TelvanniWizard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don´t care what happens with the gems. The day this happens (someday... :'( ) I´ll be totally happy, and buy from the store what I have always wanted, for a flat price, like good people have always done 5 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This discussion has got me thinking about...
Baseball cards. Yeah, you know how you buy a pack of baseball cards without having any idea whether there's just going to be a bunch of trash cards that you already have dozens of, or that one super-rare card that's worth big bucks to a collector.
And McDonald's Monopoly game pieces, where you buy a drink or some fries and there's a game piece or two attached to the cup or whatever, and you don't know whether they're just going to be trash pieces that you already have dozens of, or that one super-rare piece that will win the game or be worth big bucks.
Will those sorts of things be impacted, or are the law makers just focused on video game loot boxes? Because I don't see how packets of baseball cards or fast food game pieces are any different, when you get right down to it.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!3 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If crate get banmed I suspect they will remove the crown earned for monthly sub.0
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david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭& technically for ESO its NOT gambling in the legal sense... because the box is NEVER empty.
That is your definition of gambling. each country/state have its own definition wich is what really mather.
Also the dictionary definition is: take risky action in the hope of a desired result.Edited by david_m_18b16_ESO on May 15, 2019 10:17PM2 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Probably won't happen, but if it did, ZOS would give us a heads-up about it, and tell us we need to use our gems before they're worthless. I expect we'd have a good long time to use them before the ban took effect.0 -
MrGarlic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Or just move the transaction server offshore to a location where they are not banned.'Sharp Arrows'Mr.GarlicHidden by darkness, a shadow in the night,A sped arrow dissecting the gloom,Finding it's target, such delight.2 -
MattT1988✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Hope they won't be. It is the reason the game is still up imo. Let the whales be whales.
LOL the game was doing fine before Crown Crates and it will continue to be fine after Crown Crates. This game never needed the crates.
The shareholders do.
No they don’t. The game is profitable enough without them.1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »This discussion has got me thinking about...
Baseball cards. Yeah, you know how you buy a pack of baseball cards without having any idea whether there's just going to be a bunch of trash cards that you already have dozens of, or that one super-rare card that's worth big bucks to a collector.
And McDonald's Monopoly game pieces, where you buy a drink or some fries and there's a game piece or two attached to the cup or whatever, and you don't know whether they're just going to be trash pieces that you already have dozens of, or that one super-rare piece that will win the game or be worth big bucks.
And Magic cards & Keyforge decks & blind box collectable figures & those little capsules with prizes in them from those quarter machines at the grocery store & Kinder Eggs &.... yeah, once you start looking at "get kids to spend $ on Something Random" the rabbit hole gets pretty deep.
And you just know that some idiot congresscritter, trying to write up a "feel good" bill with a catchy propaganda name, is going to have such utterly broad & ill-defined wording that it'll blow up all sorts of things in the hands of a crazy prosecutor/sheriff/etc.
Especially with them trying to toss in "pay to win" on top of it. /facepalm1
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