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Stam sorcs seriously need some changes
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Sahidom✭✭✭✭Whoa, my favorite character to play is the stamina Sorcerer. Sure, you fill your skill bars with weapon skills to supplement what your class lacks to offer; but to begin changing the class skills to offer more for us may break the magic Sorcerer. A slippery slope indeed, but I would like to see more options.
Dark Deal is not a solely for player-verse-player game play, it is an amazing good skill for stamina Sorcerers to trade magic for health and stamina: excellent sustain utility skill. The return is better than Vigor due to the built-in resource management; however, the cast time is quite annoying and weakens the value to slot the skill. Critical Surge is also another key-stone skill form the stamina Sorcerer, besides the Major Brutality, the heals from critical strikes is very potent: due to our amazing talent for layering damage-over-time effects. Of course, the Necromancer may outshine us on damage but we (being stamSorcs) will always be better than our sorcerer counter-parts on damage, sustain, and survival. Why? We can bring to bear 4 strong AoE dots and 3+ single-target dots (not including item sets) without sustain issues: because we are the only character build where opponents have to stand in our 'aura' of destruction - along with high mobility like no other class.
Overload is buggy and should be reworked to be more static than transforming out attacks. The original concept was, and still is cool, but the toggle often becomes glitched and heavy attacks glitch more often than not - has to do with the cool down that doesn't support rapid succession of attacks using Overload and animation cancelling can bug the Ultimate. I would be open for rework proposals on this ultimate to support stamina Sorcerers. What, eh can be up for discussion. I would have to think more to devise a suggestion.
Daedric Mines is a hit/miss type skill. In PVP, when used in the right scenario, can be powerful but I agree the skill offers nothing useful for us. Maybe an immobilization to trigger duel wield Ruffian; but again, specific and limited in application. Otherwise, I rarely - ever - see this skill used because its high cost, low utility/damage benefits, and easily avoided in many fights. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a new stamina-oriented skill rise up to replace it.
Other classes have their noted spammable attacks, and we don't have an innate class one. Is this wrong or unfair, eh...I think its subjective. The stamina Sorcerer specializes in generating massive, sustainable AoE damage - which is equally effective versus single-target boss fights. We do need more effective class skills, so at minimum we can slot one from each tree to at least benefit a little from out class passives - which are more focus and favored for magic Sorcerers. I would rally behind the forum advocacy to help our class builds gain more benefits, at least in the passives, as other class builds can.
Edited by Sahidom on May 5, 2019 12:53PM1 -
Cres✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Reps have nothing to do with it, please do some research.
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ilcavallo✭✭✭Reps have nothing to do with it, please do some research.
The following quote is directly from the class representative program:
"The selected players should have a deep understanding of at least one class, with extensive knowledge involving abilities, itemization, solo and group play in both PvE and PvP scenarios."
Reducing the initial damage of uppercut and its morphs by 14% is a nerf in PVP scenarios. It's clunky and difficult enough to land as is with the lag in Cyrodiil. No one was clamoring for this change, but I'm glad that I can now LA faster.
Removing the snare from hidden blade is also a nerf in PVP scenarios. Again, I'm unaware of overwhelming support to make this change, but now we have it.
Of course these wouldn't be as big a deal if stamsorcs had more useful class abilities and didn't have to rely solely on weapon skill lines - an issue that has been raised repeatedly in the past.
So clearly there's a disconnect somewhere. Either class reps are not fully aware of the impacts changes have on both PVP and PVE scenarios (seems to be at least partially true in this case) or the devs are not interested in addressing concerns within the community. Or both.Edited by ilcavallo on May 5, 2019 2:13PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Ive seen in another post, what you do to push zos to improve things and i appreciate it
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So clearly there's a disconnect somewhere. Either class reps are not fully aware of the impacts changes have on both PVP and PVE scenarios (seems to be at least partially true in this case) or the devs are not interested in addressing concerns within the community. Or both.
Neither we nor the Class Reps can do anything about it. If a class rep could do something, why am I writing here instead of just talking to my own guild mate? One year ago the Reps did mention a few good points for us StamSorcs, but the Devs have their very own vision of the game, and they seem to be happy with it.
They even haven't given us an Air Atro yet which was more or less promised 8 months ago, but which wouldn't be a game-changer either.
Cancel your ESO+, and don't buy Elsweyr. That's what I did. Questing isn't fun anyway when the direction of the class design is so flawed that I can't play my StamSorc the way I have been playing him for 20 years in Elder Scrolls games.Edited by Thraben on May 5, 2019 2:55PMHauptmann der Dolche des Königs
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Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
So a 14% nerf to uppercut is not a nerf as you can weave LAs faster?? I don’t blame class reps cause they have no decisional power, but saying that uppercut wasn’t nerfed shows only that you probably don’t use the skill in pvp. Just read the thread “uppercut nerf was a mistake” and you’ll understand.
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MaselClass RepresentativeGreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
So a 14% nerf to uppercut is not a nerf as you can weave LAs faster?? I don’t blame class reps cause they have no decisional power, but saying that uppercut wasn’t nerfed shows only that you probably don’t use the skill in pvp. Just read the thread “uppercut nerf was a mistake” and you’ll understand.
I read that thread. I was not impressed by the arguments presented there. Still, anything you do after landing dizzy once will land 0.2s earlier compared to before. So if you want to dizzy+db and/or executioner, the combo can be aligned better than before because you can fire skills and light attacks faster.
And regardless of my own opinion, I still forwarded the dizzying change thread a couple days ago to the devs, because that's what we are supposed to.PC EU
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Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
So a 14% nerf to uppercut is not a nerf as you can weave LAs faster?? I don’t blame class reps cause they have no decisional power, but saying that uppercut wasn’t nerfed shows only that you probably don’t use the skill in pvp. Just read the thread “uppercut nerf was a mistake” and you’ll understand.
I read that thread. I was not impressed by the arguments presented there. Still, anything you do after landing dizzy once will land 0.2s earlier compared to before. So if you want to dizzy+db and/or executioner, the combo can be aligned better than before because you can fire skills and light attacks faster.
And regardless of my own opinion, I still forwarded the dizzying change thread a couple days ago to the devs, because that's what we are supposed to.
You can fit la+uppercut+la+dawnbreaker+Executioner and uppercut-la just fine, but you’ll lose 14% dmg on uppercut .
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Cerbolt✭✭✭✭The class could definitely use a few more stam morphs but I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. I'm just going to swap mine to Magicka and be done with it to be honest.PSEU | AD - For the Queen!
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✭I gotta say, the reps do their part in telling zos the issues, its up to them to start actually doing something about it.1 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Goodluck - trying to buff Stam Sorc, 2 years of nerfs/arrows to the knee they can barely walk.
We're are officially back to 2015 Stam Sorc with dark deal and hurricane. 👎3 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crystal blast stamina morph, instant cast deals double damage if stuns. Gives a burst tool and a stun and doesn't affect pve.
Overload make it the stamSorc identity. Just lightsaber up whatever weapon your holding to overcharge it's light attacks. So it's good from range on bows dualwield 2h SnB builds whatever.
Curse would be swell. But fine that's for mag only whatever. But at least buff hurricane damage up it does alot I understand but why not just move the armor buff to bound armor that way the effect from those skills can make a comeback, purple glowy eyes! And it could work as a summons to give some Regen and the health bonus while up. It would be a nice armor buff unique. And that would free up some damage for hurricane 1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Goodluck - trying to buff Stam Sorc, 2 years of nerfs/arrows to the knee they can barely walk.
We're are officially back to 2015 Stam Sorc with dark deal and hurricane. 👎
I think zos is looking into hurricane as it deal "too much dmg" and i think they will cut the dmg from 150% to 100 if not less.3 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Goodluck - trying to buff Stam Sorc, 2 years of nerfs/arrows to the knee they can barely walk.
We're are officially back to 2015 Stam Sorc with dark deal and hurricane. 👎
I think zos is looking into hurricane as it deal "too much dmg" and i think they will cut the dmg from 150% to 100 if not less.
Also, hurricane bring out NBs from stealth, which super lame, it shouldn't be doing that. *sarcasm*3 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »I gotta say, the reps do their part in telling zos the issues, its up to them to start actually doing something about it.
How long has this been an ongoing issue?0 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »I gotta say, the reps do their part in telling zos the issues, its up to them to start actually doing something about it.
How long has this been an ongoing issue?
A long time, but again, the reps are players, not ZOS employees, they dont have any power into their decisions, if someones is to blame, its ZOS1 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »rafaelcsmaia wrote: »I gotta say, the reps do their part in telling zos the issues, its up to them to start actually doing something about it.
How long has this been an ongoing issue?
A long time, but again, the reps are players, not ZOS employees, they dont have any power into their decisions, if someones is to blame, its ZOS
Clearly
And i do blame ZOS
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Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Reading is hard bro, way too hard for too many people.0 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Nerftheforums wrote: »GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Reading is hard bro, way too hard for too many people.
I agree. You must not have bothered to read the following:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469623/uppercut-change-is-a-mistake#latestEdited by ilcavallo on May 7, 2019 1:06PM0 -
Sahidom✭✭✭✭The class could definitely use a few more stam morphs but I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. I'm just going to swap mine to Magicka and be done with it to be honest.
A shame. I would hold out a little longer. They are one of the best DPS role builds for trials.
You get 2-3 equipped with Relequin + Mothers Night (AoE fracture), Relequin + Sunderflame (single-target fracture) and others with TFS; and the collective tallies up to 13-15k-ish physical penetration without glyphs from the tank.
Edited: You can over-pen using Lovers.
This means Mother's Night fractures all the trash mobs; hence, increasing damage on all damage-over-time area-affects, and Sunder further fractures the boss; hence increasing all damage on the boss. Those with TFS will deal more damage overall.
Magic sorcerers have the built-in penetration from their LA; but their area-affect damage potential is much less than stamina because we have more options. Their good at single-target; but the bulk of the trial deals with grouped mob fights.
So hold out, and sorry if my post here goes off-topic.Edited by Sahidom on May 7, 2019 1:05PM0 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
So a 14% nerf to uppercut is not a nerf as you can weave LAs faster?? I don’t blame class reps cause they have no decisional power, but saying that uppercut wasn’t nerfed shows only that you probably don’t use the skill in pvp. Just read the thread “uppercut nerf was a mistake” and you’ll understand.
Yeah. It's a nerf to the 2H minority that makes no sense and clearly an indirect nerf to stamsorcs.2 -
crazywolfpusher✭✭✭The class could definitely use a few more stam morphs but I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. I'm just going to swap mine to Magicka and be done with it to be honest.
A shame. I would hold out a little longer. They are one of the best DPS role builds for trials.
You get 2-3 equipped with Relequin + Mothers Night (AoE fracture), Relequin + Sunderflame (single-target fracture) and others with TFS; and the collective tallies up to 13-15k-ish physical penetration without glyphs from the tank.
Edited: You can over-pen using Lovers.
This means Mother's Night fractures all the trash mobs; hence, increasing damage on all damage-over-time area-affects, and Sunder further fractures the boss; hence increasing all damage on the boss. Those with TFS will deal more damage overall.
Magic sorcerers have the built-in penetration from their LA; but their area-affect damage potential is much less than stamina because we have more options. Their good at single-target; but the bulk of the trial deals with grouped mob fights.
So hold out, and sorry if my post here goes off-topic.
I truly hope you are being sarcastic.0 -
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✭crazywolfpusher wrote: »
Or just outdated?PC - EU - France - AD
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Typical_T_ReX✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Does your dedicated stam sorc pvp player still play because for the last about 5 patches stam sorc has gotten the shaft. D swing getting a damage nerf for a dps dummy increase under perfect conditions is downright insult to injury at this point.
Nevermind pvp for a second what did happen to the air atronach we were promised? Fearturbo practically said it publicly he was so sure it was happening.
Stam sorc literally has been stripped down layer after layer for way too many patches now. Give stam sorc SOMETHING for once.4 -
Ladislao✭✭✭✭✭Typical_T_ReX wrote: »Nevermind pvp for a second what did happen to the air atronach we were promised? Fearturbo practically said it publicly he was so sure it was happening.
Do you have a proof of that? As far as I know nobody promised anything to anyone.Typical_T_ReX wrote: »Stam sorc literally has been stripped down layer after layer for way too many patches now. Give stam sorc SOMETHING for once.
For those who need SOMETHING, ZOS have already added stamina scaling for Streak in this patch. Or is it the wrong "something"?Everything is viable0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Typical_T_ReX wrote: »GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Does your dedicated stam sorc pvp player still play because for the last about 5 patches stam sorc has gotten the shaft. D swing getting a damage nerf for a dps dummy increase under perfect conditions is downright insult to injury at this point.
Nevermind pvp for a second what did happen to the air atronach we were promised? Fearturbo practically said it publicly he was so sure it was happening.
Stam sorc literally has been stripped down layer after layer for way too many patches now. Give stam sorc SOMETHING for once.
Streak stun for 4 secs and scale with max stats now. *confused laughter with cry*1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Typical_T_ReX wrote: »GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I know right? lol But let's nerf dizzy and shrouded daggers! Sometimes I wonder if the class reps have only ever played a magsorc
Oh yeah it was us that told them to do so. And dizzying swing was not nerfed, since you can light attack quicker afterwards it received a buff to burst damage too. And how was shrouded nerfed?
We have a dedicated stamsorc pvp player among us, I play stamsorc in pve regularly and if you read our meeting notes ever you'll notice that we've been telling them to give stamsorc love for a year now.
I still wonder how so many players still dont know how the program actually works. We are consultants at best, and we take no decisions whatsoever. We are there to gather feedback from the community and deliver it to them in a concise manner.
But scapegoating us is with an uninformed post is probably easier than reading meeting notes and trying to understand how the program works. Please inform yourself before posting something like this.
Does your dedicated stam sorc pvp player still play because for the last about 5 patches stam sorc has gotten the shaft. D swing getting a damage nerf for a dps dummy increase under perfect conditions is downright insult to injury at this point.
Nevermind pvp for a second what did happen to the air atronach we were promised? Fearturbo practically said it publicly he was so sure it was happening.
Stam sorc literally has been stripped down layer after layer for way too many patches now. Give stam sorc SOMETHING for once.
Streak stun for 4 secs and scale with max stats now. *confused laughter with cry*
Stun duration is quite insignificant in PvP since 9/10 people will break free long before the stun duration ends. And literally none uses streak/BoL for the damage, it´s a mobility tool primarily. The change ZOS did to streak scaling is more like:
"Cool I guess, but not really something anyone asked for or needed"
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Typical_T_ReX✭✭✭Typical_T_ReX wrote: »Nevermind pvp for a second what did happen to the air atronach we were promised? Fearturbo practically said it publicly he was so sure it was happening.
Do you have a proof of that? As far as I know nobody promised anything to anyone.Typical_T_ReX wrote: »Stam sorc literally has been stripped down layer after layer for way too many patches now. Give stam sorc SOMETHING for once.
For those who need SOMETHING, ZOS have already added stamina scaling for Streak in this patch. Or is it the wrong "something"?
Why would I want the skill I only use for a CC and mobility to scale with anything? If you are saying it should be used in some kind of offensive capacity why would I want to use an ability that costs magicka when I'm a stam build? If this change was meant to benefit the stam sorc the skill itself still doesn't scale up on stam-based scaling with CP, or armor sets, just like the ultimate. We should have an air atro to scale and some kind of physical version of overload for that very reason. That change is literally useless and whoever wasted the Dev's time with the idea should be kicked out of the rep program.Edited by Typical_T_ReX on May 7, 2019 3:21PM2 -
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✭Typical_T_ReX wrote: »
Why would I want the skill I only use for a CC and mobility to scale with anything? If you are saying it should be used in some kind of offensive capacity why would I want to use an ability that costs magicka when I'm a stam build. That change is literally useless and whoever wasted the Dev's time with the idea should be kicked out of the rep program.
wooow. It's useless but nice. Double scaling should be something more widely spread.PC - EU - France - AD
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Typical_T_ReX✭✭✭Elwendryll wrote: »Typical_T_ReX wrote: »
Why would I want the skill I only use for a CC and mobility to scale with anything? If you are saying it should be used in some kind of offensive capacity why would I want to use an ability that costs magicka when I'm a stam build. That change is literally useless and whoever wasted the Dev's time with the idea should be kicked out of the rep program.
wooow. It's useless but nice. Double scaling should be something more widely spread.
Why? I actually don't understand and would like to know your reasoning.0