Dear PvErs...

efster · April 2019

SoLooney wrote: »

Dear pvp people, stop going into dungeons with your sword and board and 2h builds spamming light attacks and contributing nothing

Hypocrites

That's just the point though. When PVP players do this, PVE players kick them from groups, tell them to git gud, and tell ~pug finder war stories~ in discord and on the forums. But PVP players doing essentially the same thing to PVEers is not ok?

zyk · April 2019

CP5 wrote: »

3 things, 'fortifying' an area that just so happens to disable your opponent for long enough for you to nuke them down, not sure how much pvp you get with that technique, its not a challenge of the people entering since there is nothing to overcome unless they resort to building something that can go into the building and not be nuked by whatever the farmers have set up, and this is one of the few chances non-pvp'ers will have to be encouraged to go to cyrodiil and if their only experience there is being farmed by people doing these things why would they ever want to come back?

Players who needed the lure of loot boxes to get them to Cyrodiil and can't deal with what's happening in the towns would not have made it in Cyrodiiil anyway. At best, they would have just been AOTP drones.

With that said, I am certain there are those who are enjoying the challenges they've been given to overcome and may stay.

Cyrodiil is unpopular because of glaring technical issues, not because we don't coddle PVE players enough. If any of these players are legitimately interested in learning PVP, most of the players farming them would probably be happy to help if they approached them nicely.

Regarding door camps, they are as old as doors in Cyrodiil. Groups have been successfully overcoming them since. The mechanics are poor, but the tactic is 100% legitimate.

JumpmanLane · April 2019

I thought pve questers were whiney crybabies at first. Then, I went to crops last night and saw a crappy group of DC trying to kill questers. I line of sighted all those fools. They were trash.

Then I did a couple of quests and was "escorting" a lil level 39 dude through a delve, you know, like you would with a low level in a public dungeon.

Some crappy AD NB uncloaked then cloaked up and ran, RAN when I turned the corner. He was gonna gank the poor 39. I thought "Wtf is going on in Cyro!"

Folks shouldn't go out if their WAY to kill pvers like that. I'm mean kill em if you happen across em but to go out of your WAY.

All I'm saying is I can see the other side of it better now.

CP5 · April 2019

zyk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

3 things, 'fortifying' an area that just so happens to disable your opponent for long enough for you to nuke them down, not sure how much pvp you get with that technique, its not a challenge of the people entering since there is nothing to overcome unless they resort to building something that can go into the building and not be nuked by whatever the farmers have set up, and this is one of the few chances non-pvp'ers will have to be encouraged to go to cyrodiil and if their only experience there is being farmed by people doing these things why would they ever want to come back?

Players who needed the lure of loot boxes to get them to Cyrodiil and can't deal with what's happening in the towns would not have made it in Cyrodiiil anyway. At best, they would have just been AOTP drones.

With that said, I am certain there are those who are enjoying the challenges they've been given to overcome and may stay.

Cyrodiil is unpopular because of glaring technical issues, not because we don't coddle PVE players enough. If any of these players are legitimately interested in learning PVP, most of the players farming them would probably be happy to help if they approached them nicely.

Regarding door camps, they are as old as doors in Cyrodiil. Groups have been successfully overcoming them since. The mechanics are poor, but the tactic is 100% legitimate.

It's a chance, to get people who would otherwise never enter the zone to want to stay. If you don't understand how valuable of an opportunity that is then fine, but if this is how some of the pvp community want to treat people who aren't used to pvp yet, I wouldn't expect many to stick around. And while doors on keeps can be buggy, the ones at the towns can trigger load screens which goes beyond what keep doors actually do, zos even removed resource tower doors because of how easy it is to set up farms around them. And for the comment about the farmers wanting to help if approached, hard to do that with a siege engine pointed at the only way in now isn't it?

Pops_ND_Irish · April 2019

zyk wrote: »

Dear ESO players,

Stop spazzing out over idiotic loot boxes that motivate you to do things you dislike like go to Cyrodiil when you don't enjoy and/or aren't prepared for PVP.

I find the whole spectacle to be disgusting. It's very sad to me that gaming has been reduced to this. This game has produced an army of scratch card addicts.

One week out of the year PVE'ers enter Cyrodiil and some PVP'ers feel threatened !
Lighten up !

Those who can't do, whine !

Vandril · April 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

ZOS designed these dull town quests to be the undesputed best ways to acquire event rewards, that’s on ZOS for making the board rewards slow and tedious even more so than fetch quests.

Of course ZOS ultimately owns all of the problems associated with this event. Still, the players who choose to go to Cyrodiil to complete them must own their decision to do so. If they want the prizes, they must overcome the challenges involved.

Jhalin wrote: »

And you’re a damn liar to say anyone can simply adjust their build to survive being seiged down in a load screen. Exploiting the vulnerability of players incapable, not “unwilling” not “unprepared”, literally not able to fight back because they are still stuck in a load screen. People can enter all at once and they have meat bags and ults drop on their heads. The only way to clear anyone out is to send in half a dozen full tanks and hope they can outlive the damage long enough for the first AoEs to disappate so another half dozen can slip in and try to duke it out with seige still going off

This has been something players in Cyrodiil have had to learn to deal with from the start. It is a poor design to be sure, but it is not close to impossible to overcome a setup like this.

Regardless of the ethics and sportsmanship involved, these players are not not exploiting or breaking any rules. They have chosen to fortify and defend this area which they are 100% entitled to do. When this happens, players who wish to complete those quests must either defeat or somehow negotiate with them to do so. That is perfectly legitimate town gameplay.

The main benefit they have is that they are organized and are executing an effective plan. To overcome it consistently, an equally organized group with a plan is probably required. The game provides the tools to overcome a door camp. I've successfully been on both sides of such farms.

I'm highly critical of players who seek out easy wins and good groups that routinely pug stomp in any context, but it's not griefing or exploiting because all players are fair game regardless. Further, I may not like noob hunting in general, but I am glad that players are having to earn their loot boxes in Cyrodiil. So kudos to those providing them with that challenge.

This is really no different than the position I was in last week. I hate almost all PVE content because I find it to be critically boring, so I skipped all event activities during world boss/delve week. I suggest players who have a bad time in Cyrodiil do the same this week.

That was your decision last week to not participate. These players have decided to give it a go and are being prevented from participating by trolls.

No they're not. There are bounty quests you can grab to Kill X Players of Class Y that reward you all the same. Campers are blocking the badly designed PvE slap-on quests found in Cyrodiil, not those. Questers have every capability of grabbing the other quests that actually involve PvP, but they don't want to do it that way.

It's their choice to limit themselves to only doing the badly designed PvE quests contained in a PvP zone for the PvP event this week.

The loading screen chokepoints are absolutely terrible design, but that's the only problem here; not that players are killing others while they quest in a PvP zone.

Heelie · April 2019

I went in there with a build that made me unkillable "in practical terms" sat and healed through two red campers that tried to kill me till a friendly sorc came and around and killed them both, I went in there prepared to ruin the campers day and i succeded.

;ake 5 peices of fortified bras, bring earthgore, and in my case 5 peices of Transmuation back bar, then run a resto and S&B. In my case a templar i just cleansed all dots then proceded to farm ult till i had resto ult ready, then waited for their ult combo and resto ulted through it.

If you can't be bothered to come with a build made for escaping or tanking gankers you deserved to be farmed in my opinion.

Tasear · April 2019

Kurat wrote: »

I have the same message to PVPers who come to dungeon to get daily xp, level undaunted or getting masks and need to be carried. But I dont tell them l2p or kick them. I dont mind carrying them coz I understand that pve is not their interest but they are kinda forced to do it. Same as pve ppl are forced to pvp to unlock skills, get shards, event quests etc. I'm not gonna buy or craft and unlock unnecessary skills for me just to get the damn shards or event quests done.
There are tons of this kind a threads already, why keep making more. And I'm sure there will be alot of complaining threads next week that fake dps doing dungeons and ppl getting kicked etc. What goes around comes around.
Why cant we have truce until the event is over and then all the haters can go back to their thing and hating.

This is true... karma is watching

BlueRaven · April 2019

Some people have weird interpretations of what PvP is. It's like they think a fair fight in Mortal Kombat is swatting your opponents controller out of their hands and burning down their character before they can recover. It's so odd.

Burning down a character who is in a load screen is NOT PvP. It's actually in my mind pretty close to an exploitation hack. If this was a trial, where you can burn a boss down as it was loading in and not officially in combat yet, those players would get a ban.

RedTalon · April 2019

-leaves out popcorn-

kargen27 · April 2019

Vandril wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

ZOS designed these dull town quests to be the undesputed best ways to acquire event rewards, that’s on ZOS for making the board rewards slow and tedious even more so than fetch quests.

Of course ZOS ultimately owns all of the problems associated with this event. Still, the players who choose to go to Cyrodiil to complete them must own their decision to do so. If they want the prizes, they must overcome the challenges involved.

Jhalin wrote: »

And you’re a damn liar to say anyone can simply adjust their build to survive being seiged down in a load screen. Exploiting the vulnerability of players incapable, not “unwilling” not “unprepared”, literally not able to fight back because they are still stuck in a load screen. People can enter all at once and they have meat bags and ults drop on their heads. The only way to clear anyone out is to send in half a dozen full tanks and hope they can outlive the damage long enough for the first AoEs to disappate so another half dozen can slip in and try to duke it out with seige still going off

This has been something players in Cyrodiil have had to learn to deal with from the start. It is a poor design to be sure, but it is not close to impossible to overcome a setup like this.

Regardless of the ethics and sportsmanship involved, these players are not not exploiting or breaking any rules. They have chosen to fortify and defend this area which they are 100% entitled to do. When this happens, players who wish to complete those quests must either defeat or somehow negotiate with them to do so. That is perfectly legitimate town gameplay.

The main benefit they have is that they are organized and are executing an effective plan. To overcome it consistently, an equally organized group with a plan is probably required. The game provides the tools to overcome a door camp. I've successfully been on both sides of such farms.

I'm highly critical of players who seek out easy wins and good groups that routinely pug stomp in any context, but it's not griefing or exploiting because all players are fair game regardless. Further, I may not like noob hunting in general, but I am glad that players are having to earn their loot boxes in Cyrodiil. So kudos to those providing them with that challenge.

This is really no different than the position I was in last week. I hate almost all PVE content because I find it to be critically boring, so I skipped all event activities during world boss/delve week. I suggest players who have a bad time in Cyrodiil do the same this week.

That was your decision last week to not participate. These players have decided to give it a go and are being prevented from participating by trolls.

No they're not. There are bounty quests you can grab to Kill X Players of Class Y that reward you all the same. Campers are blocking the badly designed PvE slap-on quests found in Cyrodiil, not those. Questers have every capability of grabbing the other quests that actually involve PvP, but they don't want to do it that way.

It's their choice to limit themselves to only doing the badly designed PvE quests contained in a PvP zone for the PvP event this week.

The loading screen chokepoints are absolutely terrible design, but that's the only problem here; not that players are killing others while they quest in a PvP zone.

You are missing my point. We need more people in PvP. Events like this can be a way to get new players to PvP. Trying to finish quests for achievements is what got me into PvP. A small group of us got together and died a lot but at least we had a chance to fight. Even took a few players down with us from time to time.
Dying before you get through the door isn't going to entice anybody into giving PvP a go after the event. Wouldn't be so bad if they did their ganking outside where at least there is a slight chance to fight back. Maybe they should do to Burma Chapel and other buildings like they did the towers. Just remove the doors. At least then you could fight instead of dying while loading in.

zyk · April 2019

CP5 wrote: »

It's a chance, to get people who would otherwise never enter the zone to want to stay. If you don't understand how valuable of an opportunity that is then fine, but if this is how some of the pvp community want to treat people who aren't used to pvp yet, I wouldn't expect many to stick around.

I agree it's a good opportunity for players to experience Cyrodiil. However, that's not going to happen grinding loot boxes unfettered in Bruma. I do not think that the opposition faced at towns will deter an actual gamer. An actual gamer will get rekt in a town and proceed to look in the mirror to consider how they can improve.

We already have enough players in Cyrodiil who are happy to only faction stack and pvdoor.

CP5 wrote: »

And while doors on keeps can be buggy, the ones at the towns can trigger load screens which goes beyond what keep doors actually do, zos even removed resource tower doors because of how easy it is to set up farms around them. And for the comment about the farmers wanting to help if approached, hard to do that with a siege engine pointed at the only way in now isn't it?

I'm not talking about keep doors. It happens less often now, but it's not abnormal for a group to be chased to a church, cabin or other building with a door that functions like the one being discussed. There are tactics to break that kind of camp. It's actually not that hard if all else is equal between the groups.

This entire discussion is basically moot because it's only relevant when event loot boxes are a factor. I agree that as a community we can improve our sportsmanship and do more to encourage fair play, but not in this context. This is a case of entitled loot addicts demanding yet another part of the game be changed to facilitate them. They are the reason we have events for what seems like half the year and why almost all PVE is ezmode.

It's not PVP players exposed by this event. It's the psychology of the loot box that's being exposed. It may be distasteful to hunt PVE players, but those who do are actually entitled to do that in Cyrodiil. No one is entitled to a safe experience in Cyrodiil. Which is fine because it's just a game. In this case, a PVP part of the game. People are making it seem like aid packages are being stolen from actually helpless refugees in real life.

CP5 · April 2019

zyk wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

It's a chance, to get people who would otherwise never enter the zone to want to stay. If you don't understand how valuable of an opportunity that is then fine, but if this is how some of the pvp community want to treat people who aren't used to pvp yet, I wouldn't expect many to stick around.

I agree it's a good opportunity for players to experience Cyrodiil. However, that's not going to happen grinding loot boxes unfettered in Bruma. I do not think that the opposition faced at towns will deter an actual gamer. An actual gamer will get rekt in a town and proceed to look in the mirror to consider how they can improve.

We already have enough players in Cyrodiil who are happy to only faction stack and pvdoor.

CP5 wrote: »

And while doors on keeps can be buggy, the ones at the towns can trigger load screens which goes beyond what keep doors actually do, zos even removed resource tower doors because of how easy it is to set up farms around them. And for the comment about the farmers wanting to help if approached, hard to do that with a siege engine pointed at the only way in now isn't it?

I'm not talking about keep doors. It happens less often now, but it's not abnormal for a group to be chased to a church, cabin or other building with a door that functions like the one being discussed. There tactics to break that kind of camp. It's actually not that hard if all else is equal between the groups.

This entire discussion is basically moot because it's only relevant when event loot boxes are a factor. I agree that as a community we can improve our sportsmanship and do more to encourage fair play, but not in this context. This is a case of entitled loot addicts demanding yet another part of the game be changed to facilitate them. They are the reason we have events for what seems like half the year and why almost all PVE is ezmode.

It's not PVP players exposed by this event. It's the psychology of the loot box that's being exposed. It may be distasteful to hunt PVP players, but those who do are actually entitled to do that in Cyrodiil. No one is entitled to a safe experience in Cyrodiil. Which is fine because it's just a game. In this case, a PVP part of the game. People are making it seem like aid packages are being stolen from actually helpless refugees in real life.

At least when pvp groups use those spots, like the barn north of fare, they are fighting people who are pvp'ers, who are there to pvp. They may not be good at it and get farmed, but the people the farmers are after are actual pvp players which greatly changes the situation. And if a player spends the day doing quest, getting into some fights, then when they want to leave they do something like help take or defend a keep to port out, that may get them to engage more with the zone. But apparently to you only the people wanting to do the quest for the event that provide a reward because they want to take part in the event are the bad guys here, but the people forgoing the events reward just to get easy kills on people who can't react to their attacks is how cyrodiil is meant to be played.

Karivaa · April 2019

Well said!

Altaire · April 2019

I'm a PvE person, but I kinda enjoyed the event... defending the farm and such and using those spells/abilities that make little sence in PvE, but can really mess-up a ganker raid. is fun...
So all you PvP ppl out there laughing at us butterfly chasers, We'll be back;P
And we know who to target...

zyk · April 2019

CP5 wrote: »

At least when pvp groups use those spots, like the barn north of fare, they are fighting people who are pvp'ers, who are there to pvp. They may not be good at it and get farmed, but the people the farmers are after are actual pvp players which greatly changes the situation. And if a player spends the day doing quest, getting into some fights, then when they want to leave they do something like help take or defend a keep to port out, that may get them to engage more with the zone. But apparently to you only the people wanting to do the quest for the event that provide a reward because they want to take part in the event are the bad guys here, but the people forgoing the events reward just to get easy kills on people who can't react to their attacks is how cyrodiil is meant to be played.

Cyrodiil was meant to be played in a variety of ways. Except for the gates, every part of Cyrodiil was designed with combat in mind. The PVP encountered while questing in contested towns is certainly closer to how Cyrodiil was meant to be played than if there was no opposition at all. The quests are simple because PVP is supposed to be part of the equation. The designer who put the quest-giver in a building knew there would be PVP implications. There have been door camps in that building from the start. I remember my 2014 fights in there while questing. It was a lot of fun overcoming the campers to achieve my goals.

What's happening in the towns during the event is really no different than what happens elsewhere in Cyrodiil. Tower farms, kiting to chokes, group ganks, etc are all par for the course and parts of how Cyrodiil was designed to be played.

I am fully sympathetic to players who don't wish to engage in PVP. I offer my support by encouraging them to avoid Cyrodiil and Imperial City. When they are in PVP zones, they are fair game and have no right to opt out of combat.

Othniel327 · April 2019

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

Osteos · April 2019

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

Ankael07 · April 2019

Let me get this straight...

At first the problem was having this event in Cyrodiil.So people said that 3/5 of weeks are locked in PVE

Then the problem became dying repeatedly in towns. So people told you to make a PVP build and call for help

And then the problem became dying in while loading through the doors so Im telling you guys to come up with a strategy to overcome this issue

Have 1 tank and 1 healer enter first and cast their ulti to survive long enough to distract the enemy from doors so the rest of your allies can enter undisturbed and fight back

Stop thinking like this is a boss fight and start coming up with ideas to outsmart your opponents. This isnt PVE where you can memorize a few mechanics and roflstomp your way through without a healer

MrGraves · April 2019

Osteos wrote: »

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

there's story quests all over the zone & repeatable NPC quests that have nothing to do with pvp. though in a pvp zone. the quest itself is a PvE quest. Meanwhile. this weeks event is "PvP" but if you go in hoping to do PvP and get rewards you won't get alot for the time spent doing the dailies that ARE PvP quests (board quests/BG dailies)

AS A PvP EVENT they didn't add a good way to do it that was actual PvP and not just running PvE fetch quests/ delve quests and what have you. If you're a PvPer, hoping for rewards for doing PvP... You're getting the short end of the stick. It's a bad design bc the "week for PvP" isn't even really PvP (ESP compared to Mid-Year Mayhem!)

Minyassa · April 2019

So if people started just auto-kicking anyone with pvp gear and that doesn't match PvE skill meta from all the trials and dungeons in next week of the event, you think all the PvP players would have no argument and just need to invest in getting all the proper gear and skills? Just clarifying.

Edit: Tried to think of a parallel to killing people before they are even off a load screen in dungeons and trials...can't. But that's a huge major thing. Oh and the teabagging. So imagine I came up with a dungeon/trial parallel to that sort of BS too.

Nobody cares about getting killed in PvP. People care about how it's being done.

Osteos · April 2019

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

there's story quests all over the zone & repeatable NPC quests that have nothing to do with pvp. though in a pvp zone. the quest itself is a PvE quest. Meanwhile. this weeks event is "PvP" but if you go in hoping to do PvP and get rewards you won't get alot for the time spent doing the dailies that ARE PvP quests (board quests/BG dailies)

AS A PvP EVENT they didn't add a good way to do it that was actual PvP and not just running PvE fetch quests/ delve quests and what have you. If you're a PvPer, hoping for rewards for doing PvP... You're getting the short end of the stick. It's a bad design bc the "week for PvP" isn't even really PvP (ESP compared to Mid-Year Mayhem!)

Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. Having a story and npcs is not mutually exclusive to pvp. Those town quests are the way they are because of the zone they are in.

I spent some of Friday, Saturday and today in Vivec NA doing the town quest dailies. There was quite a bit of pvp involved. It was fun.

Enkil · April 2019

The problem with the entire argument is many players engage in both PvE and PvP so these arguments create a false dichotomy where there is none. Players are players... u wanting to place them into opposing groups. I’m sorry that some PvE players were toxic to you but labeling players as one or the other is pure folly.

You are trying to sew seeds of division when most thoughtful Players want to see these players come back after the event and participate in Cyro regularly...

Do you really not realize this?!?!?

MrGraves · April 2019

Osteos wrote: »

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

there's story quests all over the zone & repeatable NPC quests that have nothing to do with pvp. though in a pvp zone. the quest itself is a PvE quest. Meanwhile. this weeks event is "PvP" but if you go in hoping to do PvP and get rewards you won't get alot for the time spent doing the dailies that ARE PvP quests (board quests/BG dailies)

AS A PvP EVENT they didn't add a good way to do it that was actual PvP and not just running PvE fetch quests/ delve quests and what have you. If you're a PvPer, hoping for rewards for doing PvP... You're getting the short end of the stick. It's a bad design bc the "week for PvP" isn't even really PvP (ESP compared to Mid-Year Mayhem!)

Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. Having a story and npcs is not mutually exclusive to pvp. Those town quests are the way they are because of the zone they are in.

I spent some of Friday, Saturday and today in Vivec NA doing the town quest dailies. There was quite a bit of pvp involved. It was fun.

It's a PvP zone yes but there are PvE elements. Unless you don't know the definition of PvE and PvP. Many times I go into Cyro (not talking abt this event) and do the quests. no other players in sight. Battlegrounds is pure PvP. Cyrodiil is not. Nothing is wrong with Cyrodiil being PvP, but they added PvE in it and added the rewards for the event on the PvE quests which are quickest/most efficient way to do the event. That's not good for a PvP event. because all you get is either doing PvE quests in a PvP zone or going into a building and there's people camping it. /exploiting the door/loadscreen.

Osteos · April 2019

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

there's story quests all over the zone & repeatable NPC quests that have nothing to do with pvp. though in a pvp zone. the quest itself is a PvE quest. Meanwhile. this weeks event is "PvP" but if you go in hoping to do PvP and get rewards you won't get alot for the time spent doing the dailies that ARE PvP quests (board quests/BG dailies)

AS A PvP EVENT they didn't add a good way to do it that was actual PvP and not just running PvE fetch quests/ delve quests and what have you. If you're a PvPer, hoping for rewards for doing PvP... You're getting the short end of the stick. It's a bad design bc the "week for PvP" isn't even really PvP (ESP compared to Mid-Year Mayhem!)

Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. Having a story and npcs is not mutually exclusive to pvp. Those town quests are the way they are because of the zone they are in.

I spent some of Friday, Saturday and today in Vivec NA doing the town quest dailies. There was quite a bit of pvp involved. It was fun.

It's a PvP zone yes but there are PvE elements. Unless you don't know the definition of PvE and PvP. Many times I go into Cyro (not talking abt this event) and do the quests. no other players in sight. Battlegrounds is pure PvP. Cyrodiil is not. Nothing is wrong with Cyrodiil being PvP, but they added PvE in it and added the rewards for the event on the PvE quests which are quickest/most efficient way to do the event. That's not good for a PvP event. because all you get is either doing PvE quests in a PvP zone or going into a building and there's people camping it. /exploiting the door/loadscreen.

It doesn't matter if it has pve elements. Answer this please. If you bought a new mmo and it had 2 servers: a pve server and an open world pvp server would you chose to create your characters on the pvp server and then get angry when a player attacked you while questing? Since that pvp server has quests and npcs does that mean its really a pve server and you have the right to quest there freely without getting attacked?

Also what about the first part of my original post. Why do non pvp players feel the need to participate in the event this week? If people don't like pvp why not skip it?

As to the door camping. Yes that is lame.It used to happen in resource towers all the time before they took the doors off. When it happen I chose to fight somewhere else. Go to a different town or campaign.

MrGraves · April 2019

Osteos wrote: »

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

MrGraves wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Othniel327 wrote: »

I think this event would have been better handled by not attaching the boxes to PvE quests gated behind PvP barriers. The only quests that should have the boxes tied to them are the ones that further PvP goals such as flipping resources, capturing objectives, and defeating other players.

I disagree. The event is 5 weeks long with 4 different outfit styles. People who don't care for a particular activity can skip that week without losing out on an outfit style. Why the people who hate PvP insist on going into Cyrodiil this week makes zero sense. The game and its events do not need to be adjusted to accommodate them.

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. You can't randomly blunder into Cyrodiil you have to Queue for it specifically and then accept being ported into it. You are choosing to enter PvP. There are no pvers in Cyrodiil. It is this game's pvp server.

there's story quests all over the zone & repeatable NPC quests that have nothing to do with pvp. though in a pvp zone. the quest itself is a PvE quest. Meanwhile. this weeks event is "PvP" but if you go in hoping to do PvP and get rewards you won't get alot for the time spent doing the dailies that ARE PvP quests (board quests/BG dailies)

AS A PvP EVENT they didn't add a good way to do it that was actual PvP and not just running PvE fetch quests/ delve quests and what have you. If you're a PvPer, hoping for rewards for doing PvP... You're getting the short end of the stick. It's a bad design bc the "week for PvP" isn't even really PvP (ESP compared to Mid-Year Mayhem!)

Cyrodiil is a open world PvP zone and every aspect of it is designed for that purpose. Having a story and npcs is not mutually exclusive to pvp. Those town quests are the way they are because of the zone they are in.

I spent some of Friday, Saturday and today in Vivec NA doing the town quest dailies. There was quite a bit of pvp involved. It was fun.

It's a PvP zone yes but there are PvE elements. Unless you don't know the definition of PvE and PvP. Many times I go into Cyro (not talking abt this event) and do the quests. no other players in sight. Battlegrounds is pure PvP. Cyrodiil is not. Nothing is wrong with Cyrodiil being PvP, but they added PvE in it and added the rewards for the event on the PvE quests which are quickest/most efficient way to do the event. That's not good for a PvP event. because all you get is either doing PvE quests in a PvP zone or going into a building and there's people camping it. /exploiting the door/loadscreen.

It doesn't matter if it has pve elements. Answer this please. If you bought a new mmo and it had 2 servers: a pve server and an open world pvp server would you chose to create your characters on the pvp server and then get angry when a player attacked you while questing? Since that pvp server has quests and npcs does that mean its really a pve server and you have the right to quest there freely without getting attacked?

Also what about the first part of my original post. Why do non pvp players feel the need to participate in the event this week? If people don't like pvp why not skip it?

As to the door camping. Yes that is lame.It used to happen in resource towers all the time before they took the doors off. When it happen I chose to fight somewhere else. Go to a different town or campaign.

I like some PvP but this is a bad example of a PvP event for reasons I already stated. My personal preferences for whatever content I like to play has nothing to do with that. I do more PvE than PvP but I still do both kinds of content. & I dont get angry when ppl attack me while I quest in PvP so no, to answer your question. Also lots of "pvp" players play PvE bc they also enjoy that as well as "PvE" players playing PvP bc they also enjoy it too. If I go to PvP for PvP it's for PvP not to do the town quests.

My problem is, the board dailies and BG dailies are not even nearly as viable as the PvE dailies. making the event actually more catered to PvE than PvP. with a mix of ppl ruining it for everyone by exploiting the building thing. IMO it doesnt seem fair that the ONE week thats about PvP for the event gives the best benefit for doing the PvE parts of Cyrodiil and not the PvP parts. that's just wack.

Osteos · April 2019

NiMorrighan wrote: »

What a ridiculous argument PVP'ers. It's a simple factor of pinging off, very obvious, PVE questers with absolutely no intentions of fightbacks is cheap and scummy. That's it. If it wasn't an event then whatever, free for all.. that's their choice to enter... But why should this event be a PVP exclusive?

I don't PVP, I don't like PVP, I don't do end game because being from Australia.. the trial groups are stupid hours of the morning when I'm not awake.. but hey, guess that's my problem right? Not yours? You possibly can't help yourself but attack innocent players?! just.so.hard.to.not.be.an.arse.... uuuugh! *shoots innocent player* Oh god I feel so much better now!

Disgusting attitude and what horrible personalities you guys must have.

Though I agree that ZOS has made an extremely poor choice in these event weeks where certain players are excluded. Should be open for everyone to do it. They didn't make the crafting writ for level 50 crafters only - it's the same perspective.

You guys re the ones that are ridiculous. This event is not pvp exclusive. One of 5 weeks is in PvP. No one is excluded. You are free to participate or skip anything you want. If you go into Cyrodiil you should be prepared to pvp , if you go into a 4 man dungeon you should be prepared to fulfill your role. It is really that simple. The motifs and style pages can be traded and sold in guild stores and the tickets all you have to do is eat cake..

MrGraves · April 2019

I mean if we wanna talk about what parts of the anniversary event are "exclusive" if any it's the delve/WB one since most of those are behind DLC/Chapter. But the anniversary events for the DLCs/chapters are that way too so.

Karmanorway · April 2019

-Apply heals/buffs before entering, vigor-resto ult-armor buff
-use a defensive set, this is not pve folks doesnt matter matter how much more dps u get wearing 2 Destro, u will die.
-Dont enter alone...

Btw. Ive encountered pvloading many times, never died.

Aimora · April 2019

I am not sure people are upset about getting killed per se more upset about the griefers!