Dear PvErs...

Chaos2088

That’s was a long post, where’s my potato 🥔?

RedTalon

Karmanorway wrote: »

-Apply heals/buffs before entering, vigor-resto ult-armor buff
-use a defensive set, this is not pve folks doesnt matter matter how much more dps u get wearing 2 Destro, u will die.
-Dont enter alone...

Btw. Ive encountered pvloading many times, never died.

Its not a matter of entering alone,. I do it all the time I just know to switch out gear and switch to my sneak stuff, and happen to know where the gank spots are.

Its more people need to spend more time in pvp and realize the flow of the trollers and griefers they are a predictable bunch. The Issue really is most pvers enter cyro once a year and normally during peek times and get a shock to their system

At-least on the plus when the shard packs come out won't have to focus on getting them on alts anymore, finally got unlazy and grab my last siix pvp shards last night in cyro. Imperial city ones are easy grabs

Jamdarius

inb4lock for baiting and not being constructive:

1.Attitude like this will surely make your empty campaigns throughout the years get filled with more players.

2.Most players that have entered event do not have money or mats to create PvP sets. Simply due to the fact of a lot of new players coming into the ESO, it is very nice way of showing them what community is like and giving them a hint whether to stay or quit for good.

3.Even if they have PvP set 10-20 PvP'ers dropping 10 Shooting stars on players that just enter Bruma Chapel or started talkin to NPC's in CHEYDINHAL for example which is not even objective in PvP last time I checked is just being plain idiotism and disregard for other players that have obviously just came to get their event done.

4. Sure all of us know it is PvP zone, but it doesn't hurt to act like proper human being and letting us enjoy event at least in the towns that are not PvP objectives.

5. There are no mistakes happening when whole groups chase poor lad that doesn't even fight back.

6. People going just for PvE players that do event in non-capturable towns are just going for easy kills to tickle their own ego.

7. If your arguments is "it is PvP zone, stop QQ" than go do some real PvP against people that fight back, not attacking players that just stand near daily NPC's, it is not Player versus Player, I would compare it to PvDoor or attackin a target dummy.

8. Hate? What hate... I just wonder what happened to the awesome community who had silent mutual non-agression pact in the past to let people do their event... It is just feeling of disappointment.

9. Going by your logic, you would even attack players that go for Master Angler achievement just cause it is PvP zone, glad I did that a while ago when players were still more understanding and kind.

10. At first days people said do not fight back, block and stay still they will surely see you are for PvE only and now you say: "Why don't you even fight back?!" or "Make a set and google decent build". Quite a fast change of mind eh? <smirk>

11. You folks say we kick you for not having gear etc etc. TBH never seen it happen in the past 2-3 years of me playing through dungeons and trials, I personally even take the time to explain mechanics if somebody is not knowing how to do this and that. Of course obvious trolls are exception (jumping around platforms in the AA instead of standing on it for 5 minutes straight for example). I guess it is a matter of joining proper guild/finding proper friends? Not really a hard thing 'cause almost everyday in major cities I see people recruiting PvE newbies for their guilds.

Awaiting:

AbysmalGhul

People getting nuked at turn in locations is pretty trashy behavior.

But at the same time, I've seen videos with large groups of event goers run from like 3 people....yeah...3 people.

Jamdarius

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

People getting nuked at turn in locations is pretty trashy behavior.

But at the same time, I've seen videos with large groups of event goers run from like 3 people....yeah...3 people.

Seen same thing happening on server, and it was because it usually was NB's that suddenly vanish and without detect pots PvErs kinda do not stand a chance against stamblades/magblades or sorcs that just streak and attack from far away or healbots. They can just wear us out by going circles as we are not properly prepared to face them and die by 3-4 skills max.

Mr_Walker

Osteos wrote: »

Also there are no PvE quests in Cyrodiil.

You should lodge a ticket, I've found well over 50 of them, many of them repeatable.

highkingnm

zyk wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

There ISNT a chance to git gud, you can’t “just change gear” or “adapt” or “expect to fight” when you die in the time it takes to load into an area because griefers are setting up seige and unavoidable ground AoEs and CC in front of doors

What a ridiculous thing to say. You write that as if these players can't be defeated. Of course they can.

The problem is that you guys aren't even really trying. You don't want to try because you don't like PVP and are just there for loot boxes that you want to grind as fast as possible with completely unprepared characters.

In addition to preparing your individual character, you also have the option of working with other players to defeat the players causing you issues and overcoming the challenge they have given you.

But hey, we're talking about people drawn to the worst quests in the game in an area they don't enjoy being in because they're addicted to scratch cards.

Ah yes, because people have been willing to help and not just been saying “don’t help the PvEers. I PvP fairly regularly, have a PvP build and tend to do fairly well in 1v1s, even if I am not brilliant at them. Skill can’t help you in load screens, small groups will be torn about as well. Do you think people aren’t trying to group up and clear them out? We’ve just been met with toxicity from others in the alliance for ‘wasting time’ on ‘questers’.

This attitude means I will probably not be returning to PvP and will respec my toon. I also am not willing to carry PvPers going for helms from vet dungeons anymore. I’ve carried the same players being toxic to PvEers in chat before.

And yes, the quests are awful. We’d be happier getting them done faster and getting out of Cyro faster.

Zacuel

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

BloodBeast_ESO

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

they are jerks i do agree with this statement

Jamdarius

Sicerius420 wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

they are jerks i do agree with this statement

It didn't happen yet, he is saying that IF it ever happens he will start forum threads.
Besides 35k dps is decent DPS, unless you encounter some elitist sh*thead that most of the time is doing 60k dps however is a real glass cannon.

Jhalin

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

Even if you get kicked you’re still not even remotely locked out of participating in the event, because you can enter pledge dungeons solo and be entirely left alone, and get rewards the same as everyone else.

No one is going to be allowed to prohibit you from getting a pledge done. No one is going to be sitting at the boss waiting for you to show up then nuke you every time you try to kill it. You’ll never have to change instances to get away from a griefer because you get access to instances that are completely private to you.

Even if every. single. person. kicked you from the dungeon on sight, you still wouldn’t be stopped from getting rewards.

Norma trials? No one cares who you are as long as the bosses are dying

There’s no valid comparison to be made

Thogard

Lowkey though, using AOE or siege to camp people zoning through a door is pretty cheesy IMO.

RedTalon

Everyone who plays a mmo has a jerk side...no side is better then the other

Come to think of it, that is just how life is

Vandril

kargen27 wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

ZOS designed these dull town quests to be the undesputed best ways to acquire event rewards, that’s on ZOS for making the board rewards slow and tedious even more so than fetch quests.

Of course ZOS ultimately owns all of the problems associated with this event. Still, the players who choose to go to Cyrodiil to complete them must own their decision to do so. If they want the prizes, they must overcome the challenges involved.

Jhalin wrote: »

And you’re a damn liar to say anyone can simply adjust their build to survive being seiged down in a load screen. Exploiting the vulnerability of players incapable, not “unwilling” not “unprepared”, literally not able to fight back because they are still stuck in a load screen. People can enter all at once and they have meat bags and ults drop on their heads. The only way to clear anyone out is to send in half a dozen full tanks and hope they can outlive the damage long enough for the first AoEs to disappate so another half dozen can slip in and try to duke it out with seige still going off

This has been something players in Cyrodiil have had to learn to deal with from the start. It is a poor design to be sure, but it is not close to impossible to overcome a setup like this.

Regardless of the ethics and sportsmanship involved, these players are not not exploiting or breaking any rules. They have chosen to fortify and defend this area which they are 100% entitled to do. When this happens, players who wish to complete those quests must either defeat or somehow negotiate with them to do so. That is perfectly legitimate town gameplay.

The main benefit they have is that they are organized and are executing an effective plan. To overcome it consistently, an equally organized group with a plan is probably required. The game provides the tools to overcome a door camp. I've successfully been on both sides of such farms.

I'm highly critical of players who seek out easy wins and good groups that routinely pug stomp in any context, but it's not griefing or exploiting because all players are fair game regardless. Further, I may not like noob hunting in general, but I am glad that players are having to earn their loot boxes in Cyrodiil. So kudos to those providing them with that challenge.

This is really no different than the position I was in last week. I hate almost all PVE content because I find it to be critically boring, so I skipped all event activities during world boss/delve week. I suggest players who have a bad time in Cyrodiil do the same this week.

That was your decision last week to not participate. These players have decided to give it a go and are being prevented from participating by trolls.

No they're not. There are bounty quests you can grab to Kill X Players of Class Y that reward you all the same. Campers are blocking the badly designed PvE slap-on quests found in Cyrodiil, not those. Questers have every capability of grabbing the other quests that actually involve PvP, but they don't want to do it that way.

It's their choice to limit themselves to only doing the badly designed PvE quests contained in a PvP zone for the PvP event this week.

The loading screen chokepoints are absolutely terrible design, but that's the only problem here; not that players are killing others while they quest in a PvP zone.

You are missing my point. We need more people in PvP. Events like this can be a way to get new players to PvP. Trying to finish quests for achievements is what got me into PvP. A small group of us got together and died a lot but at least we had a chance to fight. Even took a few players down with us from time to time.
Dying before you get through the door isn't going to entice anybody into giving PvP a go after the event. Wouldn't be so bad if they did their ganking outside where at least there is a slight chance to fight back. Maybe they should do to Burma Chapel and other buildings like they did the towers. Just remove the doors. At least then you could fight instead of dying while loading in.

I didn't miss your point, per se. I wasn't arguing for or against your point that it's not a good way to attract much-needed new PvPers (though I do agree with you on that). I was only refuting the statement that I quoted out of your post. The questers are, in fact, not being prevented from participating in the event. Hindered? Absolutely. But certainly not prevented. They have very reasonable options to still participate. Them not liking those options should be placed squarely on their own shoulders.

Maybe I'm nitpicking a bit too much on that statement, but I just feel it's a very important distinction to make.

Titansteele

I mostly PVE, with that said I do enjoy PVP and kill more than I am killed in BG`s, IC and Cyro to feel confident running around the quest hubs right now.

It is a PVP zone, nobody is forced there it is your own wants/desires that makes you hunt this little golden boxes and it brought you into danger, that is my 2p on the matter.

With that said I seen all three alliances questing in hubs this weekend side by side without any conflict and even nice emote interactions going between them. It is a genuinely heart-warming experience and whenever a fight broke out of people just held block the aggressor just stopped when they noticed they were not fighting back.

Jhalin

Vandril wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

ZOS designed these dull town quests to be the undesputed best ways to acquire event rewards, that’s on ZOS for making the board rewards slow and tedious even more so than fetch quests.

Of course ZOS ultimately owns all of the problems associated with this event. Still, the players who choose to go to Cyrodiil to complete them must own their decision to do so. If they want the prizes, they must overcome the challenges involved.

Jhalin wrote: »

And you’re a damn liar to say anyone can simply adjust their build to survive being seiged down in a load screen. Exploiting the vulnerability of players incapable, not “unwilling” not “unprepared”, literally not able to fight back because they are still stuck in a load screen. People can enter all at once and they have meat bags and ults drop on their heads. The only way to clear anyone out is to send in half a dozen full tanks and hope they can outlive the damage long enough for the first AoEs to disappate so another half dozen can slip in and try to duke it out with seige still going off

This has been something players in Cyrodiil have had to learn to deal with from the start. It is a poor design to be sure, but it is not close to impossible to overcome a setup like this.

Regardless of the ethics and sportsmanship involved, these players are not not exploiting or breaking any rules. They have chosen to fortify and defend this area which they are 100% entitled to do. When this happens, players who wish to complete those quests must either defeat or somehow negotiate with them to do so. That is perfectly legitimate town gameplay.

The main benefit they have is that they are organized and are executing an effective plan. To overcome it consistently, an equally organized group with a plan is probably required. The game provides the tools to overcome a door camp. I've successfully been on both sides of such farms.

I'm highly critical of players who seek out easy wins and good groups that routinely pug stomp in any context, but it's not griefing or exploiting because all players are fair game regardless. Further, I may not like noob hunting in general, but I am glad that players are having to earn their loot boxes in Cyrodiil. So kudos to those providing them with that challenge.

This is really no different than the position I was in last week. I hate almost all PVE content because I find it to be critically boring, so I skipped all event activities during world boss/delve week. I suggest players who have a bad time in Cyrodiil do the same this week.

That was your decision last week to not participate. These players have decided to give it a go and are being prevented from participating by trolls.

No they're not. There are bounty quests you can grab to Kill X Players of Class Y that reward you all the same. Campers are blocking the badly designed PvE slap-on quests found in Cyrodiil, not those. Questers have every capability of grabbing the other quests that actually involve PvP, but they don't want to do it that way.

It's their choice to limit themselves to only doing the badly designed PvE quests contained in a PvP zone for the PvP event this week.

The loading screen chokepoints are absolutely terrible design, but that's the only problem here; not that players are killing others while they quest in a PvP zone.

You are missing my point. We need more people in PvP. Events like this can be a way to get new players to PvP. Trying to finish quests for achievements is what got me into PvP. A small group of us got together and died a lot but at least we had a chance to fight. Even took a few players down with us from time to time.
Dying before you get through the door isn't going to entice anybody into giving PvP a go after the event. Wouldn't be so bad if they did their ganking outside where at least there is a slight chance to fight back. Maybe they should do to Burma Chapel and other buildings like they did the towers. Just remove the doors. At least then you could fight instead of dying while loading in.

I didn't miss your point, per se. I wasn't arguing for or against your point that it's not a good way to attract much-needed new PvPers (though I do agree with you on that). I was only refuting the statement that I quoted out of your post. The questers are, in fact, not being prevented from participating in the event. Hindered? Absolutely. But certainly not prevented. They have very reasonable options to still participate. Them not liking those options should be placed squarely on their own shoulders.

Maybe I'm nitpicking a bit too much on that statement, but I just feel it's a very important distinction to make.

Methods for dealing with hindrances in:

Week 3 town quests: switch campaigns, ride back to town and hope this one doesn’t have griefer’s camping building, if it does, go to the next campaign and repeat

Option 2: leave Cyrodiil, craft or buy tanky PvP gear, return to Cyrodiil, ride back to town and hope you can survive the first loadscreened attack, realize you don’t have the damage to clear them out, try to gather a large enough group to clear them out, fight them off, then repeat the process when more griefers return and set up in the building


Week 4 pledges: go to a solo instance and clear the dungeon, get box

Zacuel

Jhalin wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

Even if you get kicked you’re still not even remotely locked out of participating in the event, because you can enter pledge dungeons solo and be entirely left alone, and get rewards the same as everyone else.

No one is going to be allowed to prohibit you from getting a pledge done. No one is going to be sitting at the boss waiting for you to show up then nuke you every time you try to kill it. You’ll never have to change instances to get away from a griefer because you get access to instances that are completely private to you.

Even if every. single. person. kicked you from the dungeon on sight, you still wouldn’t be stopped from getting rewards.

Norma trials? No one cares who you are as long as the bosses are dying

There’s no valid comparison to be made

This guy right here. Lol.

I was morely just being sarcastic to egg on the players like yourself.

So thanks.

Minyassa

Jhalin wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

Even if you get kicked you’re still not even remotely locked out of participating in the event, because you can enter pledge dungeons solo and be entirely left alone, and get rewards the same as everyone else.

No one is going to be allowed to prohibit you from getting a pledge done. No one is going to be sitting at the boss waiting for you to show up then nuke you every time you try to kill it. You’ll never have to change instances to get away from a griefer because you get access to instances that are completely private to you.

Even if every. single. person. kicked you from the dungeon on sight, you still wouldn’t be stopped from getting rewards.

Norma trials? No one cares who you are as long as the bosses are dying

There’s no valid comparison to be made

Thank you, I mean I tried to come up with a comparison, I'm usually pretty good at that, and I completely failed.

By the way...CAN you change instances? Is that possible to do without just happening to luck into having a friend who loaded into another instance?

RedTalon

Thogard wrote: »

Lowkey though, using AOE or siege to camp people zoning through a door is pretty cheesy IMO.

Why I sometimes que for bgs when I am doing stuff in cyro, so can can zone out after turning(Or leaving delves) things in, since leaving a bg doesn't send you back to cyro but which ever zone you where in before cyro. Its a cheesy way to avoid gankers but works in a pinch and -plus do love me some quick easy land grabs

Haquor

zyk wrote: »

Dear ESO players,

Stop spazzing out over idiotic loot boxes that motivate you to do things you dislike like go to Cyrodiil when you don't enjoy and/or aren't prepared for PVP.

I find the whole spectacle to be disgusting. It's very sad to me that gaming has been reduced to this. This game has produced an army of scratch card addicts.

Truth.

RedTalon

Haquor wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Dear ESO players,

Stop spazzing out over idiotic loot boxes that motivate you to do things you dislike like go to Cyrodiil when you don't enjoy and/or aren't prepared for PVP.

I find the whole spectacle to be disgusting. It's very sad to me that gaming has been reduced to this. This game has produced an army of scratch card addicts.

Truth.

Though in order to fix the problem would have to go back in time and make gaming not main stream

Jhalin

Minyassa wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

I'm waiting for dungeon week were my 35k dps char gets kicked out of every dungeon for his pvp rank.

I will be here blowing up the forums about how pvers are such mean jerks. Repeatedly.

Even if you get kicked you’re still not even remotely locked out of participating in the event, because you can enter pledge dungeons solo and be entirely left alone, and get rewards the same as everyone else.

No one is going to be allowed to prohibit you from getting a pledge done. No one is going to be sitting at the boss waiting for you to show up then nuke you every time you try to kill it. You’ll never have to change instances to get away from a griefer because you get access to instances that are completely private to you.

Even if every. single. person. kicked you from the dungeon on sight, you still wouldn’t be stopped from getting rewards.

Norma trials? No one cares who you are as long as the bosses are dying

There’s no valid comparison to be made

Thank you, I mean I tried to come up with a comparison, I'm usually pretty good at that, and I completely failed.

By the way...CAN you change instances? Is that possible to do without just happening to luck into having a friend who loaded into another instance?

That depends on what sort of instance you’re referring to. In Cyro every campaign is its own instance so when I say “change instances” I mean you have to requeue to another campaign, then play horse simulator back to the quest hub and cross your fingers the campaign doesn’t have a group camping in the buildings yet.

If it does then you’re just SoL and you’ve gotta either leave Cyro to redo all your gear and attributes to a PvP spec that probably won’t save you from PvLoaders, or move onto the next campaign and try again

Dragneel1207

Jamdarius wrote: »

inb4lock for baiting and not being constructive:

1.Attitude like this will surely make your empty campaigns throughout the years get filled with more players.

2.Most players that have entered event do not have money or mats to create PvP sets. Simply due to the fact of a lot of new players coming into the ESO, it is very nice way of showing them what community is like and giving them a hint whether to stay or quit for good.

3.Even if they have PvP set 10-20 PvP'ers dropping 10 Shooting stars on players that just enter Bruma Chapel or started talkin to NPC's in CHEYDINHAL for example which is not even objective in PvP last time I checked is just being plain idiotism and disregard for other players that have obviously just came to get their event done.

4. Sure all of us know it is PvP zone, but it doesn't hurt to act like proper human being and letting us enjoy event at least in the towns that are not PvP objectives.

5. There are no mistakes happening when whole groups chase poor lad that doesn't even fight back.

6. People going just for PvE players that do event in non-capturable towns are just going for easy kills to tickle their own ego.

7. If your arguments is "it is PvP zone, stop QQ" than go do some real PvP against people that fight back, not attacking players that just stand near daily NPC's, it is not Player versus Player, I would compare it to PvDoor or attackin a target dummy.

8. Hate? What hate... I just wonder what happened to the awesome community who had silent mutual non-agression pact in the past to let people do their event... It is just feeling of disappointment.

9. Going by your logic, you would even attack players that go for Master Angler achievement just cause it is PvP zone, glad I did that a while ago when players were still more understanding and kind.

10. At first days people said do not fight back, block and stay still they will surely see you are for PvE only and now you say: "Why don't you even fight back?!" or "Make a set and google decent build". Quite a fast change of mind eh? <smirk>

11. You folks say we kick you for not having gear etc etc. TBH never seen it happen in the past 2-3 years of me playing through dungeons and trials, I personally even take the time to explain mechanics if somebody is not knowing how to do this and that. Of course obvious trolls are exception (jumping around platforms in the AA instead of standing on it for 5 minutes straight for example). I guess it is a matter of joining proper guild/finding proper friends? Not really a hard thing 'cause almost everyday in major cities I see people recruiting PvE newbies for their guilds.

Awaiting:

Then dont come nuking me when I am soloing bosses in IC.
You know its PVE you should have decency and humanity to leave me alone

Na0cho

You guys can not compare apples to oranges here.

Sure SOME pvpers aren’t prepared for pve, don’t have proper gear( let’s not forget you have to pve to get the pve gear in the first place, only exception is crafted sets) but they still TRY. That 10k dps guy in heavy you all keep mentioning(I’ve literally never seen this but you guys bring it up a lot) is at least still TRYING to beat the dungeon.

The anti pvp pve’ers don’t even attempt to try.

You could literally throw on shacklebreaker with impen and any other crafted or pvp set. Pvp sets are super easy to get usually and you get a lot of them from pve which you already do.

You can’t win if you don’t fight. Or is it just an excuse you WONT fight because then you have an excuse for losing?

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

Jhalin

Na0cho wrote: »

You guys can not compare apples to oranges here.

Sure SOME pvpers aren’t prepared for pve, don’t have proper gear( let’s not forget you have to pve to get the pve gear in the first place, only exception is crafted sets) but they still TRY. That 10k dps guy in heavy you all keep mentioning(I’ve literally never seen this but you guys bring it up a lot) is at least still TRYING to beat the dungeon.

The anti pvp pve’ers don’t even attempt to try.

You could literally throw on shacklebreaker with impen and any other crafted or pvp set. Pvp sets are super easy to get usually and you get a lot of them from pve which you already do.

You can’t win if you don’t fight. Or is it just an excuse you WONT fight because then you have an excuse for losing?

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

Please explain how to “try” against 6+ people with seige and CCs on door interiors that kill you before the load screen disappears

C’mon let’s hear it

Is Eternal Yokeda the answer? Because so far the only tactic of dealing with them involves a beefy tank+Earthgore+healer combo to even start a contest

frostz417

Conduit0 wrote: »

"Hur dur the purpose of cyrodiil is pvp" is a complete and utter nonsense argument for justifying what people are doing. There is no shortage of actual pvpers to play against, the fact that you are ignoring those people and are instead coming to the towns and attacking people trying to do the quests proves you are not interested in actual pvp, what you are interested in is making other people miserable because you are mommy's little sociopath and that is how you get your jollies.

You’re the reason I enjoy farming you questers 🙂. So much tears so much crying... so much AP to be made

NiMorrighan

Osteos wrote: »

You guys re the ones that are ridiculous. This event is not pvp exclusive. One of 5 weeks is in PvP. No one is excluded. You are free to participate or skip anything you want. If you go into Cyrodiil you should be prepared to pvp , if you go into a 4 man dungeon you should be prepared to fulfil your role. It is really that simple. The motifs and style pages can be traded and sold in guild stores and the tickets all you have to do is eat cake..

Oh yeah, not exclusive at all. My apologies. I mean, personally, I don't have hours on end to run all the way to the quest hub, be killed, have to run back to quest hub, be killed, run back to quest hub, be killed, run back to quest hub and be killed. I might get a couple of quests done in that time. PVP'ers on the other hand really don't have much of an issue doing these at all. I have tried grouping with other PVE'ers.. and guess what! we're killed by a single PVPer!! HAHA!! God, it's so funny and SO much fun!!!!!! I'm glad you have opened my eyes. Thank you!

absolutely ridiculous to think it's as viable for PVE'ers... what a dumb arse notion.

also - yeah, I love to pay extortionate prices for motifs! I mean, why would I bother trying to do dailies when I can just buy them on the market place!! Let's feed those greedy little PVP'ers some more. Again, ridiculous.

Hand_Bacon

We're all AP on the inside.

NiMorrighan

frostz417 wrote: »

You’re the reason I enjoy farming you questers 🙂. So much tears so much crying... so much AP to be made

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you get bullied in real life and this is your own outlet to make yourself feel of some worth. You should tell your mum about the bullying though, it might help.

JumpmanLane

I’ve seen people doing trashy things in the towns. I just thought PvEers where entitled crybabies but crappy people ARE messing with people in ways they just can’t to people who know how to PvP.

My advice to people who generally stick to PvE content is this. Learn to PvP and KILL the trashy players. Use it as motivation. It might seem like a very high mountain to climb but it’s not. ALL the fools I saw genuinely messing with questers were garbage players.

What you questers are going through is what EVERYONE goes through when they first enter Cyro. It’s why seasoned PvPers have so little sympathy for questers.