Iki wrote: »

That cast-time very much needs to be removed. It`s inconsistency that only sorcs got cast-time in resource restore ability while other classes do not. Also worth mentioning that other classes get additional nice things for using their equivalent. Templars get major resistance buffs from rune, wardens get major sorcery/brutality from netch and nightblades get healing from siphoning attacks when weaving and dk being unique with their battle roar and combustion. Sorcs only get resources, nothing else. Other classes gain more by sacrificing ability-slot to their sustain tool.

For the sake of pvp balance the amount of resources restored instantly could be decreased, or even completely remove instant restore and then add some other nice buff to it to make it on par with what other classes have.
It`s just unbelievable that after all this time of having worse sustain than others sorcs still got this cast-time in sustain tool rendering it useless in pve and potentially dangerous to use in pvp. Now it would be time to fix that.

Or they could remove the cast-time AND keep the ammount of ressources unchanged ( or decreased by 500 max)

ressources would be restored 1,2 sec AFTER you used the ability ... But enemies could still interrupt you ... (if this happens, it won't restore anything including the cost of the skill).

Or they could merge both morph into one ( it would restore health + magicka or stamina whichever maximum is the higher, and cost stamina or magicka whichever maximum is the lower), and the second morph would be a toogle ( like mend wound, overload, mystic guard ....) which drain your lower ressource and restore health + your highest ressource overtime.

I wrote everything above, comment #17.

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It's an interesting situation. I do a lot of dungeons and my clannfear hasn't died since Murkmire patch, but this guy is always in epicenter of different AoEs. Try to report this.

Alucardo wrote: »

HELL YES. Either remove the cast time, or return it to its former glory without the last bits of the resources over 20 seconds. It's just awful.
Trying to use this ability mid combat is painful, and can end up in your death. Not to mention sorcs can spam crushing shock and deny you from range whenever they feel like it.
It's also horrible when trying to bar swap after a dark deal.. it just takes that great fast paced combat, and turns it into something gross.
I don't care if you turn that heal into a HoT or something, but the cast time needs to go. For some reason dark conversion (the magicka morph) feels a lot smoother than dark deal. I can't really explain why.

Sure it’s slow and feels cluncky, but you literally don’t have to build for sustain when using this ability. It needs to have some kind of risk. Especially in relation to pvp

Galarthor wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

HELL YES. Either remove the cast time, or return it to its former glory without the last bits of the resources over 20 seconds. It's just awful.
Trying to use this ability mid combat is painful, and can end up in your death. Not to mention sorcs can spam crushing shock and deny you from range whenever they feel like it.
It's also horrible when trying to bar swap after a dark deal.. it just takes that great fast paced combat, and turns it into something gross.
I don't care if you turn that heal into a HoT or something, but the cast time needs to go. For some reason dark conversion (the magicka morph) feels a lot smoother than dark deal. I can't really explain why.

Sure it’s slow and feels cluncky, but you literally don’t have to build for sustain when using this ability. It needs to have some kind of risk. Especially in relation to pvp

Oh really? It's like 600 mag regen in total (Burst + over time), not augmented by passives. If that's all you bring to the fight, then your opponent has to either be pretty bad or you will be out of magicka so fast!

Templars get 480 mag regen, that cannot be interupted, is an instant, and gives them 5280 to 7920 Resistences.

And Sorcerers get Streak, which is basically the single greatest ability available to any Magicka class for PvP.

Pyatra wrote: »

ERMERGERD! Just change it from 1.2 seconds to 1 second so it lines up with all the other channel skills, with the removal of the 200ms cool down this patch, it would weave in PVE nicely... without giving hardly any advantage in PVP. Done.

This. Revert the casttime back to one second. I don't remember it feeling as clunky as it does now with the bit shorter cast time.

The larger counterplay window, reason for the increase in the first place, was basically gone anyways with the CC immunity changes (the latter still being one of the dumbest combat changes so far IMO).

Removing cast time will make the ability gamebreaking op and then just lead to a nerf that makes it useless. An ability that resotres that much hp and resources would just allow perma block tanks and unkillable builds, so then would be nerfed and be a worse version that it is now.

Honestly I would just rather have the old dd back, it was strong yes, just like templar purge is strong or nb cloak is strong. But if not then please just leave it, I have been nerfed enough.

It would be nice if the second resource gain was still received if the skill was block canceled. Casting will give you full effect, block canceled only the overtime resource gain.

The problem, for PVE, is that each class has a way to restore resources:
NB: Siphoning Strikes, Refreshing Shadows and Executioner
Templar: Rune Focus
Warden: Betty Netch, Flourish and Nature's Gift
DK: Battle Roar and Combustion
Sorcerers: Daedric Protection (and Dark Exchange)

Daedric Protection requires to double bar a semi-useless ability, while Dark Exchange is too clunky and don't offer much else to justify being slotted. That is why PVE sorcerers, in general, are always complaining about sustain.

On the other hand, PVP is all about kiting and sustaining. That gives you the time window to cast Dark Exchange and makes it an extremely strong ability.

In other words, sorcerers need a buff to sustain in PVE, but buffing Dark Exchange would make it broken for PVP.

I believe a good solution would be to transfer the recovery over time from Dark Exchange to Bound Armor, changing the active part to something like:
"Protect yourself with the power of Oblivion, summoning a suit of Deadric mail that grants Minor Protection and recover 120 magicka every 1 second for 20 seconds." (Counts as a pet, like Betty Netch.)

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

HELL YES. Either remove the cast time, or return it to its former glory without the last bits of the resources over 20 seconds. It's just awful.
Trying to use this ability mid combat is painful, and can end up in your death. Not to mention sorcs can spam crushing shock and deny you from range whenever they feel like it.
It's also horrible when trying to bar swap after a dark deal.. it just takes that great fast paced combat, and turns it into something gross.
I don't care if you turn that heal into a HoT or something, but the cast time needs to go. For some reason dark conversion (the magicka morph) feels a lot smoother than dark deal. I can't really explain why.

Sure it’s slow and feels cluncky, but you literally don’t have to build for sustain when using this ability. It needs to have some kind of risk. Especially in relation to pvp

Oh really? It's like 600 mag regen in total (Burst + over time), not augmented by passives. If that's all you bring to the fight, then your opponent has to either be pretty bad or you will be out of magicka so fast!

Templars get 480 mag regen, that cannot be interupted, is an instant, and gives them 5280 to 7920 Resistences.

And Sorcerers get Streak, which is basically the single greatest ability available to any Magicka class for PvP.

Please elaborate

You need me to elaborate about how Magicka Sorcerers are the only Magicka class with any sort of reliable mobility that doesn't involve taking 20% more Dawnbreaker damage and 25% more fire damage at all times, plus the drawbacks of Mist Form itself?

If the Race Against Time changes actually go live as they are it'll help other Magicka Builds somewhat, but Sorcs will still be pretty far ahead in the mobility (and thus, oftentimes survivability) department.

No. I need you to elaborate why Streak is "the single greatest ability available to any Magicka class for PvP".
For example, I wouldn't trade Breath of Life for Streak ...

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

HELL YES. Either remove the cast time, or return it to its former glory without the last bits of the resources over 20 seconds. It's just awful.
Trying to use this ability mid combat is painful, and can end up in your death. Not to mention sorcs can spam crushing shock and deny you from range whenever they feel like it.
It's also horrible when trying to bar swap after a dark deal.. it just takes that great fast paced combat, and turns it into something gross.
I don't care if you turn that heal into a HoT or something, but the cast time needs to go. For some reason dark conversion (the magicka morph) feels a lot smoother than dark deal. I can't really explain why.

Sure it’s slow and feels cluncky, but you literally don’t have to build for sustain when using this ability. It needs to have some kind of risk. Especially in relation to pvp

Oh really? It's like 600 mag regen in total (Burst + over time), not augmented by passives. If that's all you bring to the fight, then your opponent has to either be pretty bad or you will be out of magicka so fast!

Templars get 480 mag regen, that cannot be interupted, is an instant, and gives them 5280 to 7920 Resistences.

And Sorcerers get Streak, which is basically the single greatest ability available to any Magicka class for PvP.

Please elaborate

You need me to elaborate about how Magicka Sorcerers are the only Magicka class with any sort of reliable mobility that doesn't involve taking 20% more Dawnbreaker damage and 25% more fire damage at all times, plus the drawbacks of Mist Form itself?

If the Race Against Time changes actually go live as they are it'll help other Magicka Builds somewhat, but Sorcs will still be pretty far ahead in the mobility (and thus, oftentimes survivability) department.

No. I need you to elaborate why Streak is "the single greatest ability available to any Magicka class for PvP".
For example, I wouldn't trade Breath of Life for Streak ...

And any Sorc that would trade away Streak for Breath of Life would need to get their head examined.

The point isn't that you can run around with your bars loaded up with 5 copies of Streak and be effective, but the ability is absolutely in a league of its own.

You are exaggerating. If you say "a league of its own" and mean, "An entirely own league at burning your magicka within seconds" then perhaps. The cost it takes to move with streak (should we even call it streak anymore ? Everyone and their mother is spamming ball of lightning) is astronomical and any other way of movement in ESO is by far cheaper. It is the last class definining Sorcerer abilities and even after all these nerfs, it is still an ability I would not want to miss. So I'm not saying that it's entirely bad.

Though a little base cost decrease would be within reason.
However, if we talk about Ball of lightning. That ability is indeed absurdly strong and quite ridiculous. I hope this is the next one on the chopping block. I can't wait to see this cancerous anomaly being butchered to death. If I were to name one ability in the game that deserves a heavy nerf, then it would be Ball of Lighting. Followed by Teleport Shade.