This has to be against the rules...

Runefang · March 2019

Why not do it?

Achievement hunters, traders and farmers are often very wealthy but aren't good enough for the PvE end game. PvE end gamers often aren't wealthy because they have to buy a lot of potions, upgrade to have the best gear etc. Match made in heaven.

HowlKimchi · March 2019

Runefang wrote: »

Why not do it?

Achievement hunters, traders and farmers are often very wealthy but aren't good enough for the PvE end game. PvE end gamers often aren't wealthy because they have to buy a lot of potions, upgrade to have the best gear etc. Match made in heaven.

Yep that's a classic mmo trope for you! The people inclined to be merchants have the gold and they hire the people with the skills for their services.

I remember when there was no outfit system. I was selling telvar (looking for people who want a specific armor set to convert my telvar to gold), mostly selling the Black Rose Set. I bumped into an RPer who was very rich for some reason, who wanted to buy the whole set. After our transaction, he introduced me to 3 more people in his guild who also wanted the set. Made a fortune out of them for doing someting I enjoyed instead of node farming for ages.

Hamrb · March 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

I dont mind getting carried for the skins if it wasn't that expensive xD

I'm mainly a PVP guy and I dont have a lot of time to play, and I cant find a regular group to play with to improve in trials. Would be great if PVP gave skins though. Like a reward similar to gladiator boxes. I'd bet people who dont PVP would spend a lot to buy that too.

to be fair. former emperor is one of the hardest titles to get in the game. unless you pvp all day everyday.

midgetfromtheshire · March 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I'm talking about selling carries

Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.

These adds are getting so annoying.

Ever asked someone for crafting services?

Ever bought anything from guild traders?

You can get all the things yourself whether it be farming or time, yet you pay the seller for the convenience of not having to do that. This is no different.

Drako_Ei · March 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.

First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.

Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.

I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.

Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!

This is now an official name and shame post though.

I censored the names for a reason, this guy shamed/named himself

Heady · March 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.

First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.

Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.

I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.

Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!

This is now an official name and shame post though.

I censored the names for a reason, this guy shamed/named himself

how is the person selling carries shaming them selves?

SoLooney · March 2019

It's not against the rules. As long as the payment only involves in game currency aka gold or goods, then it's legal.

Does it bother you that people have the gold to pay for carries that you cant pay for? It's their decision. I sold plenty of skins and achievements. Some players dont have the time to dedicate to progressing dungeons or trials and just want a quick skin, title or whatever.

I just cant stand players who clearly bought trials skins and brag about it like they're some hot shot player.

Olupajmibanan · March 2019

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

Nemesis7884 · March 2019

i think you can make even an rpg case for these deals - being a mercenary selling their services...so i have no objection

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

well its not against any rules...sadly

I personally also think that this should be forbidden.
But on the other hand, there's no way of preventing it...get into the group get carried, pay the gold and leave....all simple game mechanics

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

Runefang wrote: »

Why not do it?

Achievement hunters, traders and farmers are often very wealthy but aren't good enough for the PvE end game. PvE end gamers often aren't wealthy because they have to buy a lot of potions, upgrade to have the best gear etc. Match made in heaven.

sorry but thats the most disilusional thing I have heared in quite some time...

PVE endgames not beeing wealthy ...just LAWL
we get more than enough gold for each completed vet Trial..
we get motifs like welkynar left and right to sell...
heck we even have the chance for a 2 million gold polymorph

we could sell carryruns in stuf flike vAS+2 or maybe vCR+3 for a crapload of gold...but most groups dont sell runs, since we do not like carrying ppl throu hard content, think they have to earn and not buy it.

I alone sit on over 2million gold just in jewelry gold temper, which 60% or more came out of deconning golden trial jewelry

PVE endgame raiders are wealthy, if they know how to use their money in a propper way.
jeah potions got more expensive, and we hate that, but I hear more complains from casual pvpers who dont have enough gold to buy pots for PVP then I hear complains from endgame PVErs.

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

thats the first time I hear about this bug...afaik the achievemnts like Immortal redeemer / saintly saviour or griphon hearth require ppl to not die in the first place

rezzing only removes 1k points for leaderboard scores.

but if thats the case, then jeah this bug has to be fixed ASAP then.,

Olupajmibanan · March 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

thats the first time I hear about this bug...afaik the achievemnts like Immortal redeemer / saintly saviour or griphon hearth require ppl to not die in the first place

rezzing only removes 1k points for leaderboard scores.

but if thats the case, then jeah this bug has to be fixed ASAP then.,

I got my Fang Lair no-death this way. Should be ashamed for that I know. A mate died on last boss, we let him laying dead till the very end and we still got the achievement.

But that was back in 2018 and I haven't seen title selling in a while. I don't know if any tweaks have been done to this. If it's fixed already than sorry, my bad.

Heelie · March 2019

As someone who has made almost 3 figures of off carry runs personally i can say for sure that the wast majority of skins being sold are to players who has no interrest in PvE content. I often talk to them after the carry if I have time for it. Just a week ago I did a Cloudrest + 3 carry (12 million) and the guy who bought it needed it for a new role play story they where doing in summerset. Another person that did the same carry wanted the skin because he just thought it looked cool, he is a die hard pvp'er and the extend that he does pve is only gear farming. These kind of people will never be able to get the skins through normal means, and that is why the market for carry runs is here. The people who tries to sell the skins as if they did the achievement legit is in the minority, and getting this kind of carry will always leak because of just how few players are in the end game.

Olupajmibanan · March 2019

Heelie wrote: »

As someone who has made almost 3 figures of off carry runs personally i can say for sure that the wast majority of skins being sold are to players who has no interrest in PvE content. I often talk to them after the carry if I have time for it. Just a week ago I did a Cloudrest + 3 carry (12 million) and the guy who bought it needed it for a new role play story they where doing in summerset. Another person that did the same carry wanted the skin because he just thought it looked cool, he is a die hard pvp'er and the extend that he does pve is only gear farming. These kind of people will never be able to get the skins through normal means, and that is why the market for carry runs is here. The people who tries to sell the skins as if they did the achievement legit is in the minority, and getting this kind of carry will always leak because of just how few players are in the end game.

Do you also sell titles like Immortal Redemer, Gryphon Heart, Tick Tormentor or Drom'Athra Destroyer?

Sheezabeast · March 2019

Just be careful taking large sums of gold. If a player would take the easy way out and buy a carry they might take the easy way out and buy gold with money irl and you don’t wanna get involved in that.

T3hasiangod · March 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

You are incorrect. Anybody dying will automatically invalidate Immortal Redeemer, Gryphon Heart, and Tick Tock Tormentor. This is has been true for any no death achievement, outside of the very rare bugged achievement.

Heady · March 2019

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

You are incorrect. Anybody dying will automatically invalidate Immortal Redeemer, Gryphon Heart, and Tick Tock Tormentor. This is has been true for any no death achievement, outside of the very rare bugged achievement.

i was pretty certain that was the way it worked, it only works vitality wise

Heelie · March 2019

Do you also sell titles like Immortal Redemer, Gryphon Heart, Tick Tormentor or Drom'Athra Destroyer?[/quote]

yes and no, we do sell Drom'Ahtra Destroyer titles on the discord i am on, however i never did it myself as it does not pay well. as for Gryphon Heart i think the price is currently 50 million gold, as for Immortal Redeemer I don't think anyone is ever going to sell this just because of how RNG it's.

RodneyRegis · March 2019

Don't see a problem. Some people flip the market and make millions farming. Some people are godlike over players. Millionaire wants skin but has put all time into making money. Godlike player has spent all time getting good. Supply and demand. Nobody is going to spend millions on skin runs unless they have huge gold reserves. As long as it's not a scam, what's the issue?

Andrxw · March 2019

Please also consider that there are people who can't hope to do this content the intended way, not due to lack of skill/gear, but due to extremely high ping.

I'm quite confident in my PvE skills, but I wouldn't dare to try to run a vet trial legit, since I know my ping is going to cause me to be a burden to the rest of the players (I live in Japan). Hell, I'm reluctant to run even vet dungeons, or even a certain few of the more difficult normal dungeons. No amount of skill can save you from constantly getting massive frame drops, and not even seeing one-shot attacks, but dying to them anyway.

So, the solution is to pay for carries. I'm still technically a burden to the other players, but they're getting gold out of it as compensation. And I don't see how this method hurts anyone.

green_villain · March 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Gal wrote: »

@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.

First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.

Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.

I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.

Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!

This is now an official name and shame post though.

I censored the names for a reason, this guy shamed/named himself

you just shamed yourself by this topic
pathetic OP

Floliroy · March 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Do you also sell titles like Immortal Redemer, Gryphon Heart, Tick Tormentor or Drom'Athra Destroyer?

Like @Heelie said we sell kinda every things in PvE content.

[Edited for buying/selling in game items and services]

BNOC · March 2019

Selling carries is and has always been fine in my opinion.

What always confused me about it was that the same groups of people that are happy to sell carries are the first on the forums in outrage, talking about diminished achievements and game-breaking bugs when other players glitch the same content (i.e don't pay them for a carry)

No reason why they shouldn't be able to though.

SydneyGrey · March 2019

richo262 wrote: »

If they are selling for USD yes, but gold? No.

This. If it's for real money, it should be banned, but if it's just for in-game gold, then who cares. It's fake money anyway.

(Note: I have never either bought a carry, or sold a carry, so no, I haven't profitted in any way from this system. I just believe in letting people play the way they want to so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.)

Tholian1 · March 2019

You should really MYOB and let people play how they want to play. I’ve never paid for a carry and it doesn’t bother me if others do.

Neyane · March 2019

It’s not against the rules, and if that’s how people want to get the skins then fair enough. I however, much prefer putting in the hard work myself. It’s how I got my vmol skin, and my amber plasm. They feel so much better knowing that I achieved them, instead of just paying for it and being afk. Through getting these achievements, I have become a much better player.

It’s a shame people feel the need to pay, but not everyone has the time to put in enough effort to get it the proper way.

Valldez · March 2019

wich rules?

TARAFRAKA · March 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I'm talking about selling carries

Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.

These adds are getting so annoying.

Lemme stop right there. This has been approved by ZOS and @ZOS_GinaBruno stated this on the forum. It's completed approved and acceptable as long as real money is not used.
I got rich doing this.

TARAFRAKA · March 2019

richo262 wrote: »

If they are selling for USD yes, but gold? No.

If 11 players can do the work, why not sell their labor?

I'd say buying a carry for the end cosmetic is less significant than buying crowns for cosmetics. At least the carry requires work. I have no issue with either carry/gold or crown/gold transaction.

We made a killing doing this for VMaw.
We just drag the person in and tell them to die so they don't *** up the twins. Then we realized you get the skin just by beating Rakkhat.
So we'd run with core until him and bring the carried person in and tell them to die in a corner away from the cleanse pads.