This has to be against the rules...

Danksta

Come to PS4 where we can even sell vMA carries without breaking the ToS.

kiasta6984b14_ESO

Jesus, how old are you? Why does one care what other people thinks of an item? You think everyone who has said item is bad? OK? Nobody cares. At all. You want an item to mean something to other people? That's called vanity, it's silly and immature. Is this high school? Are we back in high school? If you want an item because it looks nice then cool. Why would other people's opinions matter of said item? It doesn't.

sevomd69

One thing I don't understand is all these people who are so insecure that they are concerned about what other people think about their achievements...who cares if these achievements are "diminished" because it is bought and sold now...if you did it legit you should be satisfied in knowing that you did it legitimately...and shouldn't give 2 freaks about what other people think...

Also...imho...if you aren't top dps on your team...technically its a "carry" also...

Onefrkncrzypope

Got to be careful, on Ps4 a prominent group that carries keeps a record. It is not a very secret record either. Its legit and tbh some peoples endgame in this game isn't PvE. I totally respect people for having the money for the carry (Player vs Economy)

Mathius_Mordred

I don't have a problem with it, if done professionally. Personally I would encourage everyone to join a guild and learn from the vets in said guild. I mean all the person being carried gets is the accolade and the skin/loot etc, they miss the most important reward of all, the actual achievement of doing something difficult and challenging in the game they love.

Odovacar

Selling carries is not new, lol. Also, I wouldn't worry to much about what others do so much since its other peoples business.. Lastly, selling carries is a lucrative business of GOLD not RL CURRENCY.

Oh, BTW...you interested in a carry OP?..We'll give you a special ESO forum discount

Kiralyn2000

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...

But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.

(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)

It makes the rewards less valuable, yesterday i queued as DPS, i got paired with a dps wearing the zmaja skin, so i thought "Holy, he has to be really good".

To my surprise i was 70% of group dps, he totally got carried, when i asked at the end, he told me, he bought the zmaja skin.

Now every person i see with that skin, i instantly think they are bad players that paid for the skin

Whereas I've never looked at titles/skins/achievements/rare gear as marks of "prestige" or "skill", but for fun. Honestly, I barely even recognize most of them, and certainly can't tell what someone has done by looking at them. Me, I go after costumes, titles, and styles for the cosmetics of it. Like titles in Star Trek Online - sure, I'll use "Fast and Flurrious" (got first place in the winter holiday race) sometimes, but I also quite enjoy running with "Stunning" (did a bunch of phaser damage) or "Torpedo Target" (got hit with lots of torpedos). It's all about what looks good with the character at the time, not some sort of e-peen waving contest. To me, at least.

So if someone wants to overpay, to run content they don't enjoy, to get an ugly skin that only a few people will comment on or care about? More power to them.


(seriously, I never understood the crazy raider types in WoW who had the attitude "they made Raid X easier, now more people can get Raid X gear..... my gear is now WORTHLESS!" /facepalm. No, it still has the same stats, it's still as effective in combat, and the shoulders still have huge spikes that glow. Other people have the same stuff does nothing to yours.)

Kagukan

If there are those willing to pay gold for a carry then whatever. I see nothing wrong here.

Ratzkifal

This topic is not new and I threw in my two cents already in the last thread, but from a roleplaying perspective that is totally legit. A rich noble highers mercenaries to carry his noble behind and in the end the noble takes all the credit.

Last time this was brought up, crown selling wasn't a thing yet so my other argument isn't as valid anymore. Earning vasts amount of money used to take skill too, other skills but still. It wasn't like these people didn't deserve anything just because they play the game for the market, which is totally legit. Now it's a bit less black and white since you can just reach deep into your wallet and pay with $$$

Skwor

Ratzkifal wrote: »

This topic is not new and I threw in my two cents already in the last thread, but from a roleplaying perspective that is totally legit. A rich noble highers mercenaries to carry his noble behind and in the end the noble takes all the credit.

Last time this was brought up, crown selling wasn't a thing yet so my other argument isn't as valid anymore. Earning vasts amount of money used to take skill too, other skills but still. It wasn't like these people didn't deserve anything just because they play the game for the market, which is totally legit. Now it's a bit less black and white since you can just reach deep into your wallet and pay with $$$

I must admit selling crowns is effectively buying gold for real world cash. Personally I am against it but ZEN makes money from it.

ZeusChaos25

I'd personally love to get carried just to get the skins and titles for my character. I don't see a problem with it. If you got the gold then do as you please with it.

IzzyStardust

As in all things: more options are better.

People against other people selling/buying carries just seems bitter to me. *shrug* Live and let live. No reason not to.

IzzyStardust

SoLooney wrote: »

It's not against the rules. As long as the payment only involves in game currency aka gold or goods, then it's legal.

Does it bother you that people have the gold to pay for carries that you cant pay for? It's their decision. I sold plenty of skins and achievements. Some players dont have the time to dedicate to progressing dungeons or trials and just want a quick skin, title or whatever.

I just cant stand players who clearly bought trials skins and brag about it like they're some hot shot player.

The last sentence of this post is the only thing I don’t like; since to get into good groups you need to post dps and clears.

But what can ya do? We cannot all be constantly responsible for the crap other people get up to, so it is what it is.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Doesn't Lady Laurent pay us all to carry Stibbons?

IzzyStardust

Drako_Ei wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...

But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.

(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)

Nah they often die and are just left dead.

Exactly, they do the whole trial with 12 people, 1 leaves, they invite the person buying the carry, and all they have to do is to die and go afk.

Actually a lot of groups bring the buyer through the whole thing, answer questions, explain mechanics in brief - I hate to burst any bubble you may have; but most the people I know who sell carries are actually super nice, helpful people. *shrugs* This is just not the scandal you seem to want it to be.

My stance is my own; but I respect the right of everyone else to just do whatever the hell they like because I’m not the skins police.

But neither are you.

TARAFRAKA

bharathitman wrote: »

I have no problems with this from 'It shouldn't be allowed' point of view. But it's a real problem when the people selling carries do not give back to the community by helping other people progress through the said raids.
There are only a handful of groups that can clear vCR+3 on a regular basis therefore afaik the price for Zmaja skin is extremely high (10+ million on PC/EU) for a 15 minute run. Now imagine if these groups start selling carries instead of helping other members get through it by leading a progression group. You will basically end up with some players on the very top of the mountain and others struggling to climb through. I don't oppose the practice of selling a carry, but I do oppose if some groups start gatekeeping the content

We're not obligated to teach. Is it nice if we do? Yes but there is nothing wrong with opting out of teaching.
This is a game. People have real lives. When you raid 5 nights a week for 5 hours a night you don't really feel like teaching anyone anything.
I dont want to teach anymore. I dont want to sit on this first boss for hours and wipe over and over because some of the team aren't as skilled. I did my time already.
I want to do what I enjoy in the game. I dont enjoy teaching progression groups anymore because i did it for 2 years. I earned a break. Period.

Waynerx8

Jesus, just let people play how they want to play, they have paid.

How about we make it against ZOS rules to make threads about things that have fu?? all to do with them.

All you want is for other players to see you strut around in gear/outfits, stop been sad.

Acrolas

Danksta wrote: »

Come to PS4 where we can even sell vMA carries without breaking the ToS.

You do occasionally see those kind of zone chat offers on PC. I report them as they're both a security risk and an opportunity to defraud another player.

But for more dedicated endgame group guilds, selling carries is their best resource to trade as they're likely not doing a lot of farming or PVP or event quests. So long as both parties receive the in-game items they agreed to trade, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's really not that different than when guilds auction off somebody farming mats for a few hours.

Danksta wrote: »

I must admit selling crowns is effectively buying gold for real world cash. Personally I am against it but ZEN makes money from it.

You forfeit any real monetary value when you purchase crowns. Back in the day a lot of arcades made you change your quarters over to game tokens in order to play their games. If the same arcade had a ticket redemption system you could by all means trade some of your unused tokens for another player's tickets if you both agreed to it. But the store owner wouldn't condone selling tickets and tokens back for quarters as that would be outside the trade system he or she put in place. Same concept here.

Tasear

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I frankly don't care - but GL ever getting in raid without paying in future.

O.o that's a bit to far in a statement no ..?

Kiralyn2000

Acrolas wrote: »

You forfeit any real monetary value when you purchase crowns. Back in the day a lot of arcades made you change your quarters over to game tokens in order to play their games. If the same arcade had a ticket redemption system you could by all means trade some of your unused tokens for another player's tickets if you both agreed to it. But the store owner wouldn't condone selling tickets and tokens back for quarters as that would be outside the trade system he or she put in place. Same concept here.

Heh, yeah. I was reminded about the old Arcade Tokens a few months ago when someone was complaining about f2p/cash-shop mobile games. You know, the ones that sell 'premium currency' in packs for increasing value (spend $5, get 500; spend $20, get 2000+200; etc).

That sounds a whole lot like what the arcades did with tokens - the more you bought at once, the more you got per $. (combined with "pay 2 win" er, "continues", and PvP games like Street Fighter II encouraging people to keep throwing cash in an attempt to beat the other guy playing... gee, it's like nothing that people complain about in modern gaming is actually new.)

Agenericname

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I'm talking about selling carries

Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.

These adds are getting so annoying.

ZoS does benefit. We are in the content playing the game.

Players buying the skins benefit as they got what they wanted. The players selling the skins benfit as they got what they wanted.

Everyone involved appears to have benefited and are happy.

I do however agree, 5 second intervals is entirely too frequent.

oxygen_thief

i bought 2 masters staffs year ago because pve is really boring. i have no desire to learn to do it and waste time to get few things that i need. id like to by masters axes in the crown store to try a bleeding meta. it would be great.

Pheefs

Escort Runs are part of the game and necessary! (I kinda suck, so I should know )
This is some of why we have Guilds, why we have a Player Community AT ALL...
"please help me finish this challenging content and share in the happy endorphins of accomplishment."


I do agree with you though...
Spamming zone chat with 'carry ads' is EVIL and should be stopped.

We could be having actual zone chat like ummmmmmmmm.... A PLAYER COMMUNITY

Itzmichi

Skwor wrote: »

Itsmichi wrote: »

Not against the rules. Against the own moral? Yeah probably. Any serious player in this game will work for the skins and not getting carried. I don't like the idea as well, it makes skins not worth a penny anymore, they used to tell something about the skill of the person owning it. These days noobs just getting carried for the elder scrolls fashion police.

Ya right, just like any serious player will also level up all crafting and not buy services from a crafter or farm thier own rare item instead of buying it in a guild store and so on

You do realize this is an MMO right? We are supposed to create community that shares talent, resources and effort, not punish people for it.

Why would you not level crafting, I wonder?
Weapons is something different eh? Apples and oranges you are comparing right now. Weapons doesn't imply that you are good at the game whatsoever. But skins and titles should, sorry to Pop your bubble.

Oh yeah right, I forgot that this is an mmo, so by your definition a mmo=Woolworth. I see thanks for enlightening me, mate.

Ertosi

Jeremy wrote: »

If the ads annoy you (ads can get on my nerves too) there is always the option to black list them.

Sharing three large trading guilds with another trial seller, that's exactly what I had to do. Completely setting aside the issues of whether or not selling trial runs is permissible or rule-breaking or even moral, constantly getting spammed with advertisements from them is beyond annoying. Imagine having chat slammed with the same massive advertisement in zone and 3 different guilds simultaneously and then repeating frequently throughout the day. No thank you.

AlienSlof

Carries are just another commodity available for players to offer - no different from buying/selling vampire bites, or crafting a suit of armour.

kinguardian

In a way its sad why not just help people trough it. I am not a strong player myself. Just not so good at the dungeons but I do want some of those rewards. So because I am not a strong player people don't want to help me because my dps or way of playing is not good enough, but if I pay for it then that all doesn't matter.

Nah that's just not nice. Where is people's patience and willingness to help. Even if you have not much time at a certain point then you can always say a time and date that you can do it and then play and help people trough.

It maybe not illegal but it does leave a bad taste behind and it says a lot about the people doing it.

DorianDragonRaze

Sadly I don't have that millions nor I have time to do it with my guilds.

DorianDragonRaze

DorianDragonRaze wrote: »

Sadly I don't have that millions nor I have time to do it with my guilds.

Akatosh bless carriers

Androconium

Infested?

Must be an NA thing.

No one cares about this. If people want to pay to join a group, that's Thier problem. What that group does after that, is irrelevant.