This has to be against the rules...

luccerton

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I'm talking about selling carries

Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.

These adds are getting so annoying.

Pretty sure this is not against the rules. It happens in nearly all MMORPG and is a wonderfull way to make gold if you are good at the game. Also buying a boost for gold only is for people that do not intent on raiding. If you do want to progress raid in the game I am 100% sure people will found out you are boosted one way or another. Thus if you are against it, just dont buy the boosts or put the people that sell them on ignore.

WuffyCerulei

It isn’t. People who cannot run the trials, do not have the time to progress in them, and many other reasons buy these carries. And it’s an in-game service being paid for with in-game currency. It’s on the same basis as paying someone to craft you gear.

TARAFRAKA

AlienSlof wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

I was still learning then but I still tried to help. But not wanting to teach anymore doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I'm tired. I don't want to teach anymore.
It takes work. And coordination. That should be rewarded.

^ I agree with this lady. ^

This is a game, not a job. Why should this guy be forced to teach ALL the time? Isn't he also allowed to play for fun?

I paid for a Dro M'athra skin a good while ago, and I've been enjoying the use of it EVERY DAY since then. Best 1mil I ever spent, to be honest. Seeing how that group destroyed Rakkhat was truly an eye-opener for me; although I was also putting in the effort with my lesser dps, seeing them at work made me look like I was tickling Rakkhat!

Most of these really good, high dps players are a good deal younger than I am, with scalpel-sharp reaction times. Just like I was back in my Quake days. Now, I'm an older lady with some disabilities, and my reactions will never be that sharp again.

As it happens, I run with a progression group and we are working on vMoL at the moment - we are all older folks, so yeah, it's probably taking us a little longer, but we are determined to get there. I enjoy doing this with my little healer who wears the skin. I didn't lie about how I got it either. Honesty is always the better option.

Carries are a commodity in the game, just like vampire bites or stuff people sell in guild stores. Both parties benefit, so why is this even an issue with some people? Live and let live, for goodness sake.

*Fixed!

Thank you kindly!

Drako_Ei

I just feel like its like paying a higher grade to do your math homework, its not illegal ofc, but...

TARAFRAKA

Milchbart wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...

But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die,

Now every person i see with that skin, i instantly think they are bad players that paid for the skin

BTW, did you know that you can buy a flawless conqueror on ebay?
Since I saw this my respect for players wearing that title has fallen ...

No one cares about you respecting them.
I have never asked a player what they thought of my skins or titles. Never will. I know how I got them and that's all that matters.
Now I don't agree with it being sold on Ebay and VMA is very different because you have to let someone use your account so this whole argument is different.
You don't have to cheat to be carried. You just need to be rich.

TARAFRAKA

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I just feel like its like paying a higher grade to do your math homework, its not illegal ofc, but...

AGAIN I'm gonna mention @ZOS_JessicaFolsom approved this 2 years ago. As long as you don't scam people by taking the money and not doing the trial, it's ok.
So no it's not like paying a higher grade to do your homework. Not even close.
It's paying with a valueless currency to be present for a group completion to get a valueless cosmetic item.
It doesn't affect anything IRL. No ones getting into Harvard here so calm down. There are no real world consequences.

Kova

Feels like these threads are created by people who willingly join Home Owners Associations.

Agenericname

Kova wrote: »

Feels like these threads are created by people who willingly join Home Owners Associations.

Or they are helping advertise.

TARAFRAKA

Kova wrote: »

Feels like these threads are created by people who willingly join Home Owners Associations.

I don't understand lol. Please explain!

ZeusChaos25

I wonder how much carries through trials cost on the xbox EU server. I'm gonna have to check into this....

getemshauna

So I can't use Barber services, I need to cut my hairs myself?

Numerikuu

SoLooney wrote: »

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Like IDC but what is the point of being carried through something like that... seems really boring to me. Why play a game that you're not going to actually play? I mean I guess if someone's a pure RPer and they want the skin but still, seems lame.

Not a lot of people do end game raiding or have the time to dedicate to a team. Raiding with a core with a set schedule is like a job

People just want the skins or titles, aka cosmetics. Let people pay with their wallets

This. If they want to sell their services and experience for in game gold/crowns, I say let them. They earned it.

Girl_Number8

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I'm talking about selling carries

Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.

These adds are getting so annoying.

It is okie to do. It has been discussed before and if someone has the the goods they get the carry. We teach in our guild the mechanics, the builds, and help people get their gear. We would rather have an active guild socially and activity wise. Sometimes there are those that want the skins or such and I don't mind bringing one or two along, as they just want the cosmetic. But we do this for only disabled players and vets for free.

Feels nice to help someone out.

Though I still disagree with you OP. People are earning it one way or another. I would rather have a new team member but others like the gold or mats. Either way it is earned.

Camb0Sl1ce

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

I wonder how much carries through trials cost on the xbox EU server. I'm gonna have to check into this....

Last time i was on the xbox eu server, i wanna say we charged 1.1mil for vmol and 5.5mil for vhof, Idk about vas or vcr switched over to na server 7 or 8 months ago.

ZeusChaos25

Camb0Sl1ce wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

I wonder how much carries through trials cost on the xbox EU server. I'm gonna have to check into this....

Last time i was on the xbox eu server, i wanna say we charged 1.1mil for vmol and 5.5mil for vhof, Idk about vas or vcr switched over to na server 7 or 8 months ago.

I may ask around because that vMOL looks really nice and I've got that much gold in the bank.

Camb0Sl1ce

@ZeusChaos25 pm me

ghastley

1. The carried player has to earn enough gold for the carry some way, hopefully by playing some other part of the game more.
2. Those getting paid to carry are being encouraged to co-operate with other players below their own level
3. Circulating the gold has effects elsewhere in the economy. Those being paid are going to spend it somewhere, too.

Don't look at this in isolation. It's part of a bigger picture.

exeeter702

Ill still never forget back in the day when warewolf and vamp bites were valuable affairs. I facetiously told people in general chat who were arguing over the price in gold to buy a bite, that i am selling bites and i accept western union and take installment plans. Some internet cherif scolded me for such an offense and warned me that i better had been joking.

3 hours later i was auto logged off and slapped with a 3 day ban. Lol

Fast forward to today, bites are sold on the crown store and zos openly allows for crown to gold exchange between players.

Selling a service such as clearing content for a fee, cant be against the TOS so long as zos considers crowns, and everything that can be bought with crowns, an "in game" item which qualifies it as fair in game trading.

Paying someone else to do the legwork is whatever imo and not really a big deal at all.

Waffennacht

exeeter702 wrote: »

Ill still never forget back in the day when warewolf and vamp bites were valuable affairs. I facetiously told people in general chat who were arguing over the price in gold to buy a bite, that i am selling bites and i accept western union and take installment plans. Some internet cherif scolded me for such an offense and warned me that i better had been joking.

3 hours later i was auto logged off and slapped with a 3 day ban. Lol

Fast forward to today, bites are sold on the crown store and zos openly allows for crown to gold exchange between players.

Selling a service such as clearing content for a fee, cant be against the TOS so long as zos considers crowns, and everything that can be bought with crowns, an "in game" item which qualifies it as fair in game trading.

Paying someone else to do the legwork is whatever imo and not really a big deal at all.

Well technically speaking, as I seriously doubt people list their game deals on their W-2 I'm gonna guess selling things for real currency could interest the IRS

zaria

exeeter702 wrote: »

Ill still never forget back in the day when warewolf and vamp bites were valuable affairs. I facetiously told people in general chat who were arguing over the price in gold to buy a bite, that i am selling bites and i accept western union and take installment plans. Some internet cherif scolded me for such an offense and warned me that i better had been joking.

3 hours later i was auto logged off and slapped with a 3 day ban. Lol

Fast forward to today, bites are sold on the crown store and zos openly allows for crown to gold exchange between players.

Selling a service such as clearing content for a fee, cant be against the TOS so long as zos considers crowns, and everything that can be bought with crowns, an "in game" item which qualifies it as fair in game trading.

Paying someone else to do the legwork is whatever imo and not really a big deal at all.

Back at launch it war guilds killing off npc vampires and werewolf to try to create an monopoly to get gold. Today people has lots of alts and have many guilds so its trivial to get bites.
Still its an stigma, bites are free by default because of it.

sevomd69

750K for DoM skin...

FreshlyB8ked

Technically everything that's for sale in a trader are items that others have worked for and are now choosing to sell to a player that did not work for that particular item. If people can buy it with gold and it doesn't interfere with TOS, then it's time to let this go.

D0PAMINE

I could care less what people pay gold for.

LadyNalcarya

Milchbart wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...

But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die,

Now every person i see with that skin, i instantly think they are bad players that paid for the skin

BTW, did you know that you can buy a flawless conqueror on ebay?
Since I saw this my respect for players wearing that title has fallen ...

That one is against the rules though since it requires account sharing and real money payment.

starkerealm

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I frankly don't care - but GL ever getting in raid without paying in future.

If someone expects me to pay to participate in their trial, it better be a carry.

There are plenty of progression guilds out there, so it's not like these guys are locking people out of the content. That said, you do need group to run trials with. You really can't PUG vet trial content.

Mr_Walker

nickl413 wrote: »

I dont have a problem with it personally but the prices they charge are insane. I inquired of a guy the other day, just out of curiosity. He wanted 1.1 mil for a carry through vet craglorn trials, and that doesnt even include hardmode or any special achievements. I mean, you could put a little bit of effort into your build and get into a raid for just the vet clear, why pay all that money?

Maybe some folk have high ping? Completely different game when your ping gets above 300 or so. You've quite often been hit on the server even if you, on screen, are out of the red.

Runefang

Mr_Walker wrote: »

nickl413 wrote: »

I dont have a problem with it personally but the prices they charge are insane. I inquired of a guy the other day, just out of curiosity. He wanted 1.1 mil for a carry through vet craglorn trials, and that doesnt even include hardmode or any special achievements. I mean, you could put a little bit of effort into your build and get into a raid for just the vet clear, why pay all that money?

Maybe some folk have high ping? Completely different game when your ping gets above 300 or so. You've quite often been hit on the server even if you, on screen, are out of the red.

Craglorn vet trials are a joke even with Australian ping though, carrying somebody through those shouldn't attract much of a fee.

kargen27

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I don't mind them selling skins. But what really drives me mad is selling prestigious PvE titles like Gryphon Heart or Immortal Redeemer. They are actually purposely abusing a bug and should be sanctioned for that. If a player dies during the encounter, it will count as death once you ressurect him. But, if you let him lying dead for whole encounter, it will count as no-death. Only this freaking bug allows selling titles and title sellers purposely abuse it. Titles loose prestige thanks to these guys that should be ashamed for doing that.

At least, there is still Tick-Tock Tormentor which can't be just sold. This is the only title where you can't take advantage of the no-death bug. The only title that really holds prestige now.

My master angler achievement comes with all kinds of prestige.

neal_brasier

My only issue with people who pay for carries is when they make ou they earned it and you turn up to vaa with a people wearing vhof/vmol skins with no idea what they're doing.
I was recently added to a vmol progression group through a friend where I was the only one who didn't have the skin on, I was also the only one who knew the mechs.
Whilst I have no issue with people buying skins for rp/aesthetic reasons I get annoyed when people use them to get into groups to try prove they're a decent player which ends up with me wasting my evening trying to get content done

ryzen_gamer_gal

"i think people should play the way i decide because it's against the rules not to."


control freakery much?