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This has to be against the rules...
Drako_Ei
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I'm talking about selling carries
Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.
I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.
These adds are getting so annoying.
Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.
I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.
These adds are getting so annoying.
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richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they are selling for USD yes, but gold? No.
If 11 players can do the work, why not sell their labor?
I'd say buying a carry for the end cosmetic is less significant than buying crowns for cosmetics. At least the carry requires work. I have no issue with either carry/gold or crown/gold transaction.56 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭Believe it or not, some of those are actually legit. A friend of mine got an AS carry the other day.9 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...
But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.
(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)13 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...
But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.
(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)
It makes the rewards less valuable, yesterday i queued as DPS, i got paired with a dps wearing the zmaja skin, so i thought "Holy, he has to be really good".
To my surprise i was 70% of group dps, he totally got carried, when i asked at the end, he told me, he bought the zmaja skin.
Now every person i see with that skin, i instantly think they are bad players that paid for the skinEdited by Drako_Ei on March 26, 2019 4:41AM13 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...
But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.
(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)
Nah they often die and are just left dead.6 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭While paying for carries is pretty sad this is something we as a community should at least discourage and shame people that sell carries and that get carried but I don't thinking banning anyone is the right thing to do and when its all over its not like anyone will really know how you got a skin or title so who cares.
My only concern is the scams involved in these transactions what incentive does anyone have to fulfill there end of the bargain so I pay up front and then risk getting kicked from the group at any point and be out millions or what would make me pay afterwards just get the title and leave group ASAP even if they do a pay half now and pay half upon completion later its still a potential problem so this works on some sort of honor system with complete strangers on the internet what could go wrong.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.6 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...
But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.
(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)
Nah they often die and are just left dead.
Exactly, they do the whole trial with 12 people, 1 leaves, they invite the person buying the carry, and all they have to do is to die and go afk.4 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭If you think this shouldnt be against the rules, then good, make it easier for people, and put those skins at the crownstore
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Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »I frankly don't care - but GL ever getting in raid without paying in future.
Paying to get in a raid? If we start accepting people into raids by how much they can pay, instead of how much dps they can pull, we wont get too many clears..9 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Why would it be against the rules?
This.
It is all in game and the player has to be part of the group that gets the achievement when they get the achievement which means they actually earned it according to the terms Zos set forth.
If they were selling it for real world money or using an exploit to get the achievement then that would be against the rules. Crowns are not considered real world money.
Edited by idk on March 26, 2019 4:50AM13 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭While paying for carries is pretty sad this is something we as a community should at least discourage and shame people that sell carries and that get carried but I don't thinking banning anyone is the right thing to do and when its all over its not like anyone will really know how you got a skin or title so who cares.
My only concern is the scams involved in these transactions what incentive does anyone have to fulfill there end of the bargain so I pay up front and then risk getting kicked from the group at any point and be out millions or what would make me pay afterwards just get the title and leave group ASAP even if they do a pay half now and pay half upon completion later its still a potential problem so this works on some sort of honor system with complete strangers on the internet what could go wrong.
This is another problem, if this is not against the rules, ZoS should put those skins directly at the crownstore, so people have a safetly option fo pay for them if they cant complete the content themselves.
You get rid of scam, the controversy, and annoying adds at zone chat this way.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While paying for carries is pretty sad this is something we as a community should at least discourage and shame people that sell carries and that get carried but I don't thinking banning anyone is the right thing to do and when its all over its not like anyone will really know how you got a skin or title so who cares.
My only concern is the scams involved in these transactions what incentive does anyone have to fulfill there end of the bargain so I pay up front and then risk getting kicked from the group at any point and be out millions or what would make me pay afterwards just get the title and leave group ASAP even if they do a pay half now and pay half upon completion later its still a potential problem so this works on some sort of honor system with complete strangers on the internet what could go wrong.
This is another problem, if this is not against the rules, ZoS should put those skins directly at the crownstore, so people have a safetly option fo pay for them if they cant complete the content themselves.
You get rid of scam, the controversy, and annoying adds at zone chat this way.
No, the skins, et al, are tied to achievements.
You can have your opinion and that is fine. However Zos disagrees with you.10 -
Heady✭✭✭✭the only thing wrong with this is the morale of it.
you have people who have gone through the progression of wanting to learn how to do it which is what the standard way would be and then you have the people who do not want to learn and pay gold to get a skin they are most likely role players and pvp mains.
while i would never pay for a group to carry me through anything i can understand why people do - it is essentially p2s2 -
nud3_voxel✭✭✭Why do you even care? If these people (usually PvP folks/RPers) don't care for the sense of achievement and just want the skin for aesthetic reason or just need gear, what is it to you?25
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IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »I frankly don't care - but GL ever getting in raid without paying in future.
Paying to get in a raid? If we start accepting people into raids by how much they can pay, instead of how much dps they can pull, we wont get too many clears..
No one I know would take a paid clear who previously paid, into raid in training etc. (not saying NO ONE would; but it gets around who paid for clears and people will take their gold, but not train them)
As in: Once you're a commodity, a commodity you will remain.2 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭nud3_voxel wrote: »Why do you even care? If these people (usually PvP folks/RPers) don't care for the sense of achievement and just want the skin for aesthetic reason or just need gear, what is it to you?
This. Do what you want; but leave other people alone to do what they want.- 15 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I see no problem. There no title or achievement or skin for being rich, so if you think skin is display of skill, I'll say now that skin is also a display of money. Simple as that. You suck at killing but you farm like a beast? You deserve to be set apart socially.
Personally I don't give two poops about skins since all my characters have their actual skin color selected for maximum beauty or background reasons. Skins ruin that, but I still support people buying them.
And I'll say more... If you need the skin to feel better than others, or if you judge others so fast, for good or bad, for their looks, you have some serious life lessons to learn still... Take this last bit as a free life tip. Thank me later.12 -
TimeWizard✭✭✭Like selling carries or not, it is frankly the best way for skilled, end-game players to make money. We don't make money by running trials. The plunder is miniscule and all the gear is bound. Pushing trials can be a gold sink, as you constantly need expensive pots and food and whatnot. Doing the hardest content in the game costs more than it rewards.
I would never pay for a carry and think less of the capabilities of those who choose to. Someone invites me to a run with a
100-300k payout at the end though, and you bet I'm in. It's not against TOS, it's just the way of turning pve skill into gold.19 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭Honestly what is the point of buying these carry? If a person is good nuf to pull his own weight then buy carry it’s a complete waste of money. If a person is not good nuf to clear it, like pulling 15k dps in a dungeon with vhof title, i can tell it’s a fake.1
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm talking about selling carries
Some people try to benefit from players, selling them dungeon/trial skins in exchange for gold or crowns.
If you go to craglon zone chat, It's infested with these people advertising every 5 seconds.
I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then... ZoS created those skins, they are ZoS' property, if they were for sale, ZoS should benefit, and not random players selling carries.
These adds are getting so annoying.
Think of it as role playing as a mercenary.
If the ads annoy you (ads can get on my nerves too) there is always the option to black list them.8 -
Gal✭✭✭@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.
First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.
Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.
I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.
Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!Healer for Fang Lair Hard Mode & Odyssey, Competitive Trial guilds on PC/NA
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.
First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.
Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.
I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.
Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!
This is now an official name and shame post though.1 -
Hamrb✭✭✭✭@Drako_Ei
First things first: I appreciate the publicity man, I really do. But there are a few major misconceptions you have here.
First of all, it’s a trade for a valueless in game currency. There’s no real money involved at any point in the occasion.
Also, regarding scams, there are those of us who see the carry business as a business, and some of us work largely off of recommendations and repeat clients. You won’t get that if you scam people, plus if you rip them off of the gold and don’t do the trial, you’re missing out on loot and plunder that you could have gotten in the time it took to fanagle the sum from the client.
I do in part share your concern though in scamming but from the other end. The groups that charge a carry for what honestly is should be called progression (I heard a horror story today of somebody who paid for essentially what was a 2 hour vmol clear) are ripping people off. If I were ever paying for a run I would expect quality and professionalism which is what many people who do actively sell carries try and offer.
Finally; we don’t usually 12 man raids till the very end anymore. A lot of us have started bringing the client with us through all of the content, often showing them strategies for efficiently clearing, and explaining complex mechanics to them if they’re interested and have any questions about it. Usually it turns into a group of 10 to 11 raiders for the entire trial. Don’t sell us that short next time. Cheers, and thanks again for the free publicity!
some guilds freely teach people content and how to improve over long periods of time. others charge millions of gold for one carry and some explanation. big shrugsEdited by Hamrb on March 26, 2019 8:05AMFounder of Sheogorath's Mortals NA PC
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't buy carries but I don't have a problem with that. Not everybody has time to spend hours on hours clearing content just to get one skin they want. I certainly don't due to my job and various responsibilities. Is buying runeboxes in guildstores, like gladiator ones which require hours of hard pvp grinding to get, cheating? How about writ furniture? If not then this isn't either.
EDIT: Error correction.Edited by Michae on March 26, 2019 6:10AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont mind getting carried for the skins if it wasn't that expensive xD
I'm mainly a PVP guy and I dont have a lot of time to play, and I cant find a regular group to play with to improve in trials. Would be great if PVP gave skins though. Like a reward similar to gladiator boxes. I'd bet people who dont PVP would spend a lot to buy that too.10 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I feel like this should be against the rules, those rewards are supposed to be earned by playing, and not just paying, if you dont agree with me, put all the skins at the crownstore then...
But they do have to "play", right? They have to be part of the group and get dragged through the content. They need to not die, not screw up the rest of the group that's "carrying" them, etc.
(And doesn't this demonstrate that the group selling the run is more skilled, since they can pull it off with effectively one less team member?)
No, when they buy a carry they just suicide and wait (so they wont kill anyone with mechanics). So it's not like normal trial progression: you dont have to do anything, that's what you're paying for.
Imo there's nothing wrong with that unless real money (or exploiting) is involved. People who judge others by their skins are not the smartest bunch anyway, from what I've seen. Skins can be used on any character so for example if I got my skins as a healer it doesn't mean that I'm an awesome dd or tank or that I'm super experienced with any class. And I don't think that someone who bought their skins devalues my experience. Maybe that's just me idk.
That being said, there is a potential problem with scams. Not sure what can be done about that.
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✭OP, it is fallacy to equate people not opposed to the selling of runs (as that is a long and tried method for endgame raiders to make money [getting to that point cost them a lot of gold]) and it being OK to be on the Crown store. A *huge* fallacy.2
