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Are you playing from AUS , NZ , JPN , IND General OCE
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russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭I cant vote, there should be an other option, because my ping is a constant 250-300 on a good day.Edited by russelmmendoza on March 18, 2019 2:48AM0 -
Heady✭✭✭✭Yes, my ping too highAzraelKrieg wrote: »chrismav1986 wrote: »Also Sign the petition if you're in the oceanic region
https://www.change.org/p/zenimax-studios-oceanic-servers-for-elder-scrolls-online
Never gonna happen. ZOS have already shot it down.Your poll is bad and you should feel bad.
Very much this.
zos shot down the idea of an ANZ server0 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, my ping too highI fully understand the performance issues that Oceanic players have, but the problem as always is that people who want to make a fair point muddy the waters by making a frankly pathetic poll that cannot remotely achieve anything.
The Facebook statement - https://www.facebook.com/370789406653075/posts/816267168771961/ - isn't primarily about performance, it's about the non-viability of launching a local server for those players given the limited number of players concerned and the resulting inferior game experience they would enjoy in terms of e.g. group and PvP activity etc. Counter that by all means, but do so by contesting the number of players, not by making immature and biased comments about the ping.
The problem is highlighted by the comment of one of the Oceanic players on Facebook who says that when he plays on the NA server in his timezone the server is dead, but when he plays at weird hours i.e. prime NA time it's so full he crashes. That's an indication that the number of players in his timezone isn't remotely viable for a separate megaserver, which is the only point ZOS are making.
I'm 100% in support of Oceanic players, but far from advancing their case this poll sets it back by trivialising the issue in immature terms. Press them on the routing issues, and if there are grounds on which to contest the player numbers then press them on that too.
Which is all well and good, but the problem is, nobody was really asking for an OCE megaserver. What people are asking for is a solution to the insane amount of latency the Akamai network adds to an already poor connection.
That can be remedied by talking to Akamai, figuring out where most of the OCE traffic is going through Akamai's network, and coming to a solution that routes traffic directly to the US so the traffic is scrubbed by the US Akamai network.
Proof? A VPN which has a US-based exit node does this very thing. I use Mudfish to help with my ping (no, Mudfish or a VPN is not the answer, I should not have to pay for a third-party VPN to have the game be playable), and it literally halves my ping. With a good node configuration in Mudfish, my ping goes from 400-600 to 250-350. There's no reason why Akamai couldn't do this themselves.
The reason why the Facebook post is receiving a lot of hate from the OCE playerbase is because it's answering a question that wasn't even asked. We all know an OCE megaserver is out of the question. Instead, we're simply asking for a solution to the impact Akamai has on our latency, with numerous threads spread across the forums, and the main thread being 9 pages long, with detailed evidence proving that Akamai is making the latency so much worse. Know what we got? Silence. Not just silence, but this Facebook post about something we never even asked about.
If I'm being honest, I consider that Facebook post a slap in the face, because it shows that they're not taking this problem seriously. Performance is so bad for an entire region that it has actually driven players away from the game, myself included.6 -
MrGraves✭✭✭✭mine's not too bad usually around 160-220 or so. It would be 400-999+ on my old laptop though because of wifi card wasn't very good.
Also anyone with other people in the house and sharing wifi if the package they got from service provider isn't cut out for that kind of usage is probably not gonna have very good ping. as well as just not having good service.
But also some people just live in less developed areas regardless of where they are in the world.
Not to say that it isn't true that people in America usually have better ping with this game, but yeah there's a few more variables than just location. I know people on the east coast that get the 999+ ping far more often than I do bc service provider. and in a much more developed area too.
(the area i live in isn't super underdeveloped or rural... but it's alaska and not like. anchorage either.)0 -
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Cave_Canem✭✭✭Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms.
For reference the 'hard cap' for the average human reaction to single stimuli is about 200ms
There was a gamer recorded at 120ms reaction speed but that is the best of the best.
For reaction time to multiple stimuli (ie. PvP or peak hour driving) the average is about 500ms reaction time.
Also important to remember that 'ping' is not latency which is the thing you actually observe.
Getting too caught up in ping is like thinking that your cars speedo determines speed rather than your engine, the road, the surrounding traffic and how hard you're hitting the throttle.
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Heady✭✭✭✭Yes, my ping too highCave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
a poll that asks if you are playing from a certain location is biased???0 -
MrGraves✭✭✭✭Cave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
a poll that asks if you are playing from a certain location is biased???
kinda biased to only add options for if you have good ping than u must be a whiney american and that people in the countries which typically have bad ping in eso all do. The poll options aren't very neutral/informative, because of the bias.1 -
Carl-lan✭✭✭✭Yes, my ping too high
I read the rest of your post but I'm Interested in how your ping is so low?Cave_Canem wrote: »
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms1 -
Yes, my ping too highCave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms.
For reference the 'hard cap' for the average human reaction to single stimuli is about 200ms
There was a gamer recorded at 120ms reaction speed but that is the best of the best.
For reaction time to multiple stimuli (ie. PvP or peak hour driving) the average is about 500ms reaction time.
Also important to remember that 'ping' is not latency which is the thing you actually observe.
Getting too caught up in ping is like thinking that your cars speedo determines speed rather than your engine, the road, the surrounding traffic and how hard you're hitting the throttle.
What's your point? We're still seeing things happen much later than players from other countries, and *then* you factor in the human reaction time.
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LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, my ping too highI got so sick of saying, "I was out of the red on my screen!", so much so that I won't do DLC vet dungeons except with friends. Given they all live in Europe or UK, I didn't get to do said dungeons except maybe once every 6 months or so.
When there's only writs, housing and the occasional story DLC left... not much point in playing.x-TallyCat-x // PC EU DC - For the Covenant! // ESO Platinum trophy - 16th May 2017.
Melbourne Australia - the land of Potato Internet.WTB ESO OCEANIC SERVER3 -
Cave_Canem✭✭✭Cave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
a poll that asks if you are playing from a certain location is biased???
When the answers are:
Yes, my ping too high
no, i'm american and i complain when my ping is above 100
Where is the "Yes I'm playing from those locations and my ping is fine"?
The poll is biased because it only supports the theory that all players in AUS , NZ , JPN have shockingly bad ping results which is the pollster's bias. There is nowhere for a respondent that has acceptable ping to respond, making a biased poll. Finally there are no empirical values, it just states "ping too high", seeing as ping is a discrete measured value and too high is an arbitrary range it further leans towards bias.
If the poll was "Are you playing from a certain location?", and the answers were yes or no, or are you playing from a certain location and giving some ping results then there would be no bias. The poll only supports the pollsters contention that Oceania is unplayable and all in the US are complaining about first world problems. It's pretty much the definition of bias.
It's not like its the end of the world to have a biased poll on the forums, it just seems that people get so passionate about their point of view they forget there may be other people that experience things differently and that a more diverse range of views generally leads to a better solution. For instance if there was a range of results presented, perhaps we could narrow down the issue, maybe its PC related, maybe Brisbane gets better results, maybe its the time of day (perhaps backups are occurring). Possibly its based on ADSL vs NBN or NBN FTTN vs NBN FTTP; perhaps we could all come to a evidence based conclusion that it is all on ZOS and they need to do better!3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I fully understand the performance issues that Oceanic players have, but the problem as always is that people who want to make a fair point muddy the waters by making a frankly pathetic poll that cannot remotely achieve anything.
The Facebook statement - https://www.facebook.com/370789406653075/posts/816267168771961/ - isn't primarily about performance, it's about the non-viability of launching a local server for those players given the limited number of players concerned and the resulting inferior game experience they would enjoy in terms of e.g. group and PvP activity etc. Counter that by all means, but do so by contesting the number of players, not by making immature and biased comments about the ping.
The problem is highlighted by the comment of one of the Oceanic players on Facebook who says that when he plays on the NA server in his timezone the server is dead, but when he plays at weird hours i.e. prime NA time it's so full he crashes. That's an indication that the number of players in his timezone isn't remotely viable for a separate megaserver, which is the only point ZOS are making.
I'm 100% in support of Oceanic players, but far from advancing their case this poll sets it back by trivialising the issue in immature terms. Press them on the routing issues, and if there are grounds on which to contest the player numbers then press them on that too.
<snip> Which is all well and good, but the problem is, nobody was really asking for an OCE megaserver. <snip>.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/432879/oceanic-servers
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415493/we-need-asia-or-oceanic-servers
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/307961/a-single-oceanic-server
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424182/joined-in-2015-and-still-no-oceanic-servers-are-you-guys-considering-it-or-not
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225586/oceanic-servers
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190451/oceanic-server-please
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/73846/discussion-of-oceanic-servers-when-are-they-coming
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397230/eso-needs-oceanic-au-hosted-server
Are you sure about that? People have been asking for Oceanic servers ever since the game launched.0 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm American, and on the wrong coast to have sub-100ms ping *shrug* That said, it's usually below 150, typically 115ish.
Just curious, if you're playing from that side of the Pacific, how is your ping to games with West Coast servers? I'd be curious how bad it would be for me or other Wesr Coasties to go Oceanic instead.Edited by jainiadral on March 14, 2019 9:16PM0 -
Cave_Canem✭✭✭
I read the rest of your post but I'm Interested in how your ping is so low?Cave_Canem wrote: »
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms
I have NBN Fibre to the Premises, a great gaming rig and quality networking hardware and I work in IT and have my gear set up to avoid any local hardware/software issues. You can have the best gaming PC in the world and pay for the fastest internet, but if your modem/router is 2nd rate, you're still going to have issues; I consider my Draytek an investment in both my leisure time and my sanity!4 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭no, i'm american and i complain when my ping is above 100or at least i would if i've ever had ping over 100. I don't really pvp so it's not that big of an issue for me..GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer1 -
Heady✭✭✭✭Yes, my ping too highCave_Canem wrote: »Cave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
a poll that asks if you are playing from a certain location is biased???
When the answers are:
Yes, my ping too high
no, i'm american and i complain when my ping is above 100
Where is the "Yes I'm playing from those locations and my ping is fine"?
The poll is biased because it only supports the theory that all players in AUS , NZ , JPN have shockingly bad ping results which is the pollster's bias. There is nowhere for a respondent that has acceptable ping to respond, making a biased poll. Finally there are no empirical values, it just states "ping too high", seeing as ping is a discrete measured value and too high is an arbitrary range it further leans towards bias.
If the poll was "Are you playing from a certain location?", and the answers were yes or no, or are you playing from a certain location and giving some ping results then there would be no bias. The poll only supports the pollsters contention that Oceania is unplayable and all in the US are complaining about first world problems. It's pretty much the definition of bias.
It's not like its the end of the world to have a biased poll on the forums, it just seems that people get so passionate about their point of view they forget there may be other people that experience things differently and that a more diverse range of views generally leads to a better solution. For instance if there was a range of results presented, perhaps we could narrow down the issue, maybe its PC related, maybe Brisbane gets better results, maybe its the time of day (perhaps backups are occurring). Possibly its based on ADSL vs NBN or NBN FTTN vs NBN FTTP; perhaps we could all come to a evidence based conclusion that it is all on ZOS and they need to do better!
That’s exactly what it is though asking if you play in oceanic countries giving the option yes/no and chucking some banter behind them, obviously I was not going to list every single country because I assumed it was just implied0 -
Heady✭✭✭✭Yes, my ping too highMiss_MakeItRain wrote: »I'll just leave this here.. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPCN92ZhwxY
Also this would kind of demonstrate how/why the game is sometimes unplayable2 -
Zavijah✭✭✭Yes, my ping too highCave_Canem wrote: »Another poll that only supports the bias of the pollster
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms.
That is physically impossible. You are Lying. Routing direct from Melbourne to Texas can't give you this ping, even with a vpn service.
The rest of your post should be discarded and ignored.2 -
EIGHTS✭✭✭✭no, i'm american and i complain when my ping is above 100But I'm not American and don't live in USA too.
Edited by EIGHTS on March 15, 2019 3:24AMI'm not native speaker in English. I hope that I don't make you misunderstand.0 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just looking to get a general idea of how many people are playing from the OCE/Asia region to see if ZOS FB statement is actually somewhat accurate, i know that not every single player will see this. Got to pay for my ping to be at somewhat acceptable levels on top of eso+ .
also just another thread to keep this topic alive
Im from Europe why do I not get a poll option? I get 40-60 ping on eu servers btw, 100ms would definately be comlaint worthy.
Please make better polls in the future.Edited by Jayman1000 on March 15, 2019 3:25AM1 -
LordGavus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, my ping too highJayman1000 wrote: »Just looking to get a general idea of how many people are playing from the OCE/Asia region to see if ZOS FB statement is actually somewhat accurate, i know that not every single player will see this. Got to pay for my ping to be at somewhat acceptable levels on top of eso+ .
also just another thread to keep this topic alive
Im from Europe why do I not get a poll option? I get 40-60 ping on eu servers btw, 100ms would definately be comlaint worthy.
Please make better polls in the future.
OCE players are primarily on the NA server, thats why no EU option.
100ms complaint worth hey. If i could get a between 200-250ms i would be so happy.0 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, my ping too highCave_Canem wrote: »
I read the rest of your post but I'm Interested in how your ping is so low?Cave_Canem wrote: »
I'm in Melbourne and have a ping under 200ms
I have NBN Fibre to the Premises, a great gaming rig and quality networking hardware and I work in IT and have my gear set up to . You can have the best gaming PC in the world and pay for the fastest internet, but if your modem/router is 2nd rate, you're still going to have issues; I consider my Draytek an investment in both my leisure time and my sanity!
So did you have a separate post highlighting how you've configured your networking hardware
; and also what these local issue might be? I appear to have missed it and I'm sure that many, many people might be interested in sharing the benefit of your research and skill. Thanks in advance.to avoid any local hardware/software issues
I'm still struggling with how my NBN satellite can firstly qualify as broadband; and secondly why it takes two full seconds travelling at light speed to get from where I am, to anywhere else in the world, with presumably less infrastructure in the pathway. I'd really appreciate your professional opinion on that also. thanks again.Edited by Androconium on March 15, 2019 5:05AM1
