Seperate premades from randoms in BGs

MaxJrFTW · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Darkenarlol wrote: »

so... if i want to play bg with my wife by OP's logic we should

- don't play together (can't que as grpup)

- or get pwned by 4 ppl premades (premade only que)

- add 2 more people to pre-made party instead of just playing together?

thank you sir, it is nice to know that your *brilliant ideas*

and actual game design are two separate things

So it's ok for you and your wife to have an advantage over solo queuers. Of course it is, you don't care about putting others at a disadvantage as long as it works for you. Well, it goes both ways. I also don't care about you wanting to play with your wife because i want everybody to have an equal chance of winning. Or at least let skill be the deciding factor, not Discord.

Kr3do · February 2019

The game already tries to do that but there isn't enough players with the same MMR for that to happen so you end up playing against premades anywayy.

Karmanorway · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

joseayalac wrote: »

This is already implemented...

Read the patch notes for ****'s sake.

Oh dear, guess i must have hallucinated the last 16 hrs ive played BGs then, cuz the patch notes are never wrong are they..

Aurielle · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

joseayalac wrote: »

This is already implemented...

Read the patch notes for ****'s sake.

No, it hasn’t been implemented. The queues are NOT separate (which is what people are asking for) and people on PC are reporting that the patch has made no difference, and that they’re still fighting the same old premades.

jcm2606 · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

joseayalac wrote: »

This is already implemented...

Read the patch notes for ****'s sake.

Just like last patch... and the patch before... and the patch before...

They're not actually fixing the problem. I can guarantee they're just messing with how groups inflate your MMR, which, as I pointed out in this post, actually just reinforces the problem.

More MMR inflation, longer queues for premades, the queue gradually becomes more and more relaxed, eventually they can match with anybody they'll find, including solo queues.

Iskiab · February 2019

No keep it the way it is (why?)

I always solo queue, usually end up doing well even if there’s a premade there. I’m even in the top 50 for the week in death match points despite being a healer (healer’s get *** points).

What I mainly see are people who aren’t spec’d/playing correctly, if you think removing premades will help it likely won’t. Unfortunately pvping doesn’t necessarily make you better, if done poorly it just reinforces bad habits. PvP requires being aggressive, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone turn tail and run as soon as they take damage. I’ll heal their full health pool twice over before they’ve made their first attack.

Separating premades will just lower the average skill level, really frustrating as a pvp healer.

Tan9oSuccka · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

This should have been in place when BGs launched.

I can’t believe this is still happening.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

commdt wrote: »

This is the most unanimous poll I have ever seen. Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno, pay attention to this one

Might want to look up what unanimous means-
Cause I think it means that EVERYONE supports the idea

Also when I looked up unanimous it just?? Didn’t look right to me. I mean, I’ve never actually seen it written out before but I’ve heard it on tv, so I thought it was spelled completely different. Idk just seeing it makes it look foreign to me.

MaxJrFTW · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

commdt wrote: »

This is the most unanimous poll I have ever seen. Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno, pay attention to this one

Might want to look up what unanimous means-
Cause I think it means that EVERYONE supports the idea

Also when I looked up unanimous it just?? Didn’t look right to me. I mean, I’ve never actually seen it written out before but I’ve heard it on tv, so I thought it was spelled completely different. Idk just seeing it makes it look foreign to me.

Pedantic much?

Aurielle · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Iskiab wrote: »

I always solo queue, usually end up doing well even if there’s a premade there. I’m even in the top 50 for the week in death match points despite being a healer (healer’s get *** points).

What I mainly see are people who aren’t spec’d/playing correctly, if you think removing premades will help it likely won’t. Unfortunately pvping doesn’t necessarily make you better, if done poorly it just reinforces bad habits. PvP requires being aggressive, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone turn tail and run as soon as they take damage. I’ll heal their full health pool twice over before they’ve made their first attack.

Separating premades will just lower the average skill level, really frustrating as a pvp healer.

Leaderboards mean nothing in BGs as far as skill goes; placing on the leaderboard simply means you played a lot of matches that week.

What, in your opinion, counts as being spec’d correctly? Following the meta? Virtually any build can succeed in no CP, provided that it deals good damage and can be sustained — and that the player using the build knows what they’re doing. There are PLENTY of excellent solo players on PS4 NA who are always trying new things, and not blindly copying some build/getting carried by some build they found on YouTube.

Based on your comments in other BG threads, I’m going to guess that you’re in the mid-tier ranks at best (you claimed previously to not have encountered the same premades over and over again, and wondered if people claiming “cancer premades” are simply losing to better solo queued players). Get back to me when you can “do well” as a healer against the more notorious premades on PS4 NA.

jediodyn_ESO · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

This poll has been front page of the BG forum for 11 months. Not a single dev comment. Maybe they will actually read this forum.

Exodium · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

This poll has been front page of the BG forum for 11 months. Not a single dev comment. Maybe they will actually read this forum.

No chance.

Their last eso live stream was the first time even playing a BG so what are the chances of them engaging in anything constructive related to pvp.

Yasha · February 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

If a premade = a group of 4 then yeah, I think there should be a separate queue for them. However, I wouldn't want to be put into separate queues if I'm just playing with one other friend.

peacenote · March 2019

Other

When I read polls and topics like this, I always think... maybe we can do both?

In other words, queue for pre-made only, queue for non-pre-made, or queue for "I don't care; get me in as fast as possible."

My concern here is definitely implementation. I FREQUENTLY queue as a two or three person team. Some type of restrictive queue system where you can't queue as a two or threesome would be worse (in my personal opinion) than sometimes losing to a pre-made, even embarrassingly so, when queuing as a non-four-person group.

Beardimus · March 2019

No keep it the way it is (why?)

Karmanorway wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.

Patch notes have introduced a bigger step into MMR this patch to put premades with premades more. Can onLy go so far tho and still get fast queue pop.

I say use another motivation. Have a pre-made ranking leader board. With prizes, names teams. That way the guys really on it will go there as good players don't enjoy pug stomping as it is. Win win.

I actually agree and think this is a good reason to separate premade groups from pugs. Should cut down on the paranoia about premades quite a bit when people are still getting roflstomped left and right.

Im aware of that, but there is still quite a bit difference between the two performance wise. Atleast u got a chance to beat them if they are just good, thats not the same for premades.

Im not speaking out of paranoia, there are groups with the same names together over and over again that wrecks u

I respond to something someone else says, you respond to me to justify something you said to someone else...

I'm sorry, can you give me the cliff notes on the conversation you were having with the other person? I'd like to know what conversation I'm having now.

Yea sry bout that, i will try again (not good at foruming)

@Beardimus If this is true, then how come half of these "alleged" premades somehow always without fail ends up in the same group together?

@srfrogg23
I Just think its wrong saying ppl are just paranoid simply just because they got wrecked, obviously these players arent blind, they see the same group names over and over again in the opposing teams, hence why some of them post about the issue on the forums.

Im not saying there arent pre-mades, and sure if you play on a low pop night you might get the same teams over and over. naturally, but likewise if you solo play alot (I do / did) and you land in a group with other BG regulars you all know the tactics, the map and work together - even without comms - and have success.

however if you want to be sure, setup a team, a slight % of cohesian makes a ton of difference - be that a full 4 man team or a pair with two randoms who know BG.

Regardless this is all a moot point - the MMR is adjusted this patch to put pre-mades more with pre-mades anyhoo.

AND regardless I think a pre-made competitive leaderboard as motivation - to give somewhere for those guys to go makes more sense

WillhelmBlack · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

They didn't change anything this update.

It's still 3v3v4(premade).

You and 2 useless nightblades that stay at range against a pre made 4 man spamming ice on you plus the other teams bowtards spraying draining shot anywhere into the fight til you can no longer move and eventually die.

seventyfive · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I am sure others before me have suggested the same or similiar but here it goes anyways, as I have not read every single reply:

The problem is of course that what would you do with premades of 3 people? The answer is simple, only allow for people to queue as 1,2 or 4 people, and that's it. If you're 3 people and want to play together, invite a random through zone-chat.

Why would that 4th random want to group up with you, knowing that he will be a solo among premades? Perhaps he wants to experience more teamplay and serious effort put into winning and don't have many friends himself to make a full premade with. Or perhaps he doesn't mind and would be happy to just join a 3 man group and enjoy some battlegrounds.

The teams of 2 could exclusive be grouped together in matches, with two teams of 2 in every team. You could call it "Duo" queue, as many other games do.

The solos would of course have their own queue.

You'd be left with Solo/Duo/Group.

We all want this. Please.

Enzym3 · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I did half a day solid on day1 of this weeks BG, i always hit random que and I am almost always solo que'd.

80% of the random que ends up being Deathmatch, this is purely because most people wanna play DM so there are more games running etc etc etc.

What is consistent in every gametype, is that i will almost certainly be playing vs the same people over and over again, I actually like this sometimes because I change my build so often (just small tweaks) to see how i can break through balled up groups or someone who is just really hard to fight, usually it's the same conclusion, break the healer, ignore the tank. But all of this becomes very boring once you have worked out your build and how to counter certain groups/builds.

For me 1v1 and 2v2 should be standard in ANY game that supports PvP, then it just becomes TEAM deathmatch after that and whatever flag games etc.

We could easily just have a casual playlist for whatever (the current playlist) and then pro (or whatever you want to call it) for people who are actually ready for BGs.

None of what we want is going to happen though, for a few reasons

-Not enough population to support creating new playlists that should be have been there from day 1

-Too many people rely on their groups builds, most people would have to respec everything, change their sets etc and generally just complain about that the entire time.

-There is no money to be earned from changing anything

Weesacs · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

All they need to do is create a virtual server for each platform and combine the regions for battlegrounds only (e.g. PS4 EU and NA regions are mixed) and then create two separate queues (i.e. premades v premades and pugs v pugs). This would increase the population for BGs. Other games do this ... its not rocket science!

Tabbycat · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I think it is obvious to everyone, even those of us that don't pvp, that a pre-made group offers a competitive advantage over a random group.

So, yes, to keep competition fair, there should be separate queues for each.

Lord_Eomer · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

People shoes in voting clearly that Pre-made groups are big issue in BG and need to be addressed.

Crafts_Many_Boxes · March 2019

Weesacs wrote: »

All they need to do is create a virtual server for each platform and combine the regions for battlegrounds only (e.g. PS4 EU and NA regions are mixed) and then create two separate queues (i.e. premades v premades and pugs v pugs). This would increase the population for BGs. Other games do this ... its not rocket science!

Even if you combined PC EU and PC NA, PS4 EU and PS4 NA, Xbox EU and Xbox NA, you still wouldn't have enough of a population without doing cross-platform play. EU pops are much lower than NA, and PvP population in this game in general is low. There are lots of players who will do bgs or cyrodil on occasion, but not consistently.

The issues presented by cross platform, technical challenges aside, are addons. PC players would just dominate and it would create entirely new, far worse problems.

Urvoth · March 2019

There needs to be something that allows premades to deliberately queue vs each other and have a ranking/leaderboard system.

Most of the high MMR premade players I know would love to have some sort of proper premade vs premade system but ZOS doesn’t allow for it.

oxygen_thief · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

because its better to hurt ~8% of the bgs player base then 82% (current poll results). some people have real life and play few times in a week when they have time and want to play. its impossible to find a real group with such a schedule.

Nogawd · March 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.

Spot on here.

Many players can't accept losing (very well anyway) and will look to point their blame anywhere that they can. Their attitudes is also why they may struggle with friends/guilds in the game.

Kidgangster101 · March 2019

No keep it the way it is (why?)

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

because its better to hurt ~8% of the bgs player base then 82% (current poll results). some people have real life and play few times in a week when they have time and want to play. its impossible to find a real group with such a schedule.

I work a full time job 40-60 hours a week and it is not true that it's hard to find the time. You have 5 guild slots (not our fault if you don't say hey do you guys wanna do some battlegrounds or even shout in zone chat) I work just like everyone else so I should be punished because I want to play a Massive Multiplayer Online game with other players? Lol

You guys all need to l2p it really isn't hard to win with pugs. They give you text and voice chat so everyone has means of communication. Call out the healer or whoever the top threat is. As long as you guys all attack 1 person at a time they will fall lol. Stop forcing your "solo play experience" for a game mode that is designed for group play. If you wanna play solo pvp do a duel that is what those are for.

kathandira · March 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

No. It’s very obvious when you’re playing against a premade at higher MMR tiers, because you get matched up against the same four man group every other match. There are some especially cancerous premades that regularly queue together on PS4 NA. Some people just leave the BG when they see their names, as they know the score will end up being 500-30-30.

Love seeing the two opposing teams completely ignore each other and team target the third team. Once saw two teams standing together in one place just hanging out. When a player from team 3 showed up, both team 1 and 2 attacked him, then resumed hanging out.

Karmanorway · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

because its better to hurt ~8% of the bgs player base then 82% (current poll results). some people have real life and play few times in a week when they have time and want to play. its impossible to find a real group with such a schedule.

I work a full time job 40-60 hours a week and it is not true that it's hard to find the time. You have 5 guild slots (not our fault if you don't say hey do you guys wanna do some battlegrounds or even shout in zone chat) I work just like everyone else so I should be punished because I want to play a Massive Multiplayer Online game with other players? Lol

You guys all need to l2p it really isn't hard to win with pugs. They give you text and voice chat so everyone has means of communication. Call out the healer or whoever the top threat is. As long as you guys all attack 1 person at a time they will fall lol. Stop forcing your "solo play experience" for a game mode that is designed for group play. If you wanna play solo pvp do a duel that is what those are for.

Pugs dont always listen, i have lost count of how many times ive said "focus that spin2win warden" or "burst down that earthgore healer fast" where they do the exact opposite.

Most of them dont log in after work to play in BGs just to be bossed around even more, they play to chill and have fun, which is what the game is intended for.

Btw.. Stating that 82pct of the playerbase have a L2P issue cuz of that aint fair

I Wonder tho why u are against another queue for premades, surely it must be boring to melt ppl all the time without effort, unless u just go premade for the free ap?

oxygen_thief · March 2019

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

I work a full time job 40-60 hours a week and it is not true that it's hard to find the time. You have 5 guild slots (not our fault if you don't say hey do you guys wanna do some battlegrounds or even shout in zone chat) I work just like everyone else so I should be punished because I want to play a Massive Multiplayer Online game with other players?

your group of random guildmates is a pug and a waste of time. iam talking about a cohesive static group with synchronized builds.

VexingArcanist · March 2019

I agree and the best way to do it is with incentives for Group BGs. Make specific sets and specific motifs that only drop in Group BGs and you have a better chance of drawing in a larger participants pool. Even all drops are the same but never less than purple and a chance of gold.