Its obvious to everyone except ZOS and few inadequates that think melting randoms with premade makes them "leet"

Keep it how it is so that que times are short. For daily you only need second place which is fair. I haven't really noticed any teams that were completely unbeatable minus 1 which consisted of three ww in lower lvl bgs. I think people use the premade thing as an excuse when you are on the losing team I have heard it a few times "oh this other team must be premade" and I usually just think to myself that my team (including myself) is probably just not very good

However, making two separate queues will divide the already small number of players by two.
Maybe it would be more rational to simply remove the ability to queue as a group?

FierceSam wrote: »

I would like the option for guilds to organise Battlegrounds, so

A) 12 guildies could play against each other and
they could actually create balanced premade groups

Even if you get no AP or experience from the fights, they would provide a fun and useful way of enabling players to learn how to play without the usual PvP toxicity.

As a mainly PvE player, my experiences of Battlegrounds has been almost entirely negative, I can’t group up with guildies because then we’re a ‘premade’ and up against either other premades, or no one wants to play us, or the BG just doesn’t load.

I’d also like a proper challenge board so that people/premades who are really good can play one another (and equally useless premades like mine could play other similarly inexperienced groups)

I guess the fundamental issue for BGs is that there aren’t enough people doing them at any one time. So you have to throw the cannon fodder in with the premades.

This is not new but still awesome idea. Being able to setup "training" BGs with no rewards would be awesome, just imagine, full chillout, learning the secrets of arenas, no pressure just fun.

I was torn on this one. On one hand there are some crappy premades out there that can be worse than randoms. On the other hand when a good premade is in your bg you are really fighting for 2nd or trying to salvage your own personal score.

Nevertheless, the highest individual scores are not always on the premade team. They often are done by nb archers or sorcs playing on the fringe sniping db's. There are people high up on the DM leaderboard who solo q and do nothing but this.

Beardimus wrote: »

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.

Patch notes have introduced a bigger step into MMR this patch to put premades with premades more. Can onLy go so far tho and still get fast queue pop.

I say use another motivation. Have a pre-made ranking leader board. With prizes, names teams. That way the guys really on it will go there as good players don't enjoy pug stomping as it is. Win win.

I actually agree and think this is a good reason to separate premade groups from pugs. Should cut down on the paranoia about premades quite a bit when people are still getting roflstomped left and right.

Today it has been 7 or 8 times in a row that "random" battleground match was a roflstomp, the winning premade is leagues ahead, 450-150-80 and the likes. I am certainly not pro in pvp, but had loads of games where I came on top with kills and score. Could it be that I forgot how to play in 30 minutes? The difference was, beside competent teammates, is 12 random guys trying to work together, not 8 random player vs. 4 uber top 5% farming them half asleep.

And it is not about losing or winning, we all had rare games with scores like 490-470-460, actually balanced and challenging and Fun rounds. They are nothing like a meat grinder deathmatch that is boring for the winners, and discouraging, frustrating for the two bottom team.

lemonizzle wrote: »

Today it has been 7 or 8 times in a row that "random" battleground match was a roflstomp, the winning premade is leagues ahead, 450-150-80 and the likes. I am certainly not pro in pvp, but had loads of games where I came on top with kills and score. Could it be that I forgot how to play in 30 minutes? The difference was, beside competent teammates, is 12 random guys trying to work together, not 8 random player vs. 4 uber top 5% farming them half asleep.

And it is not about losing or winning, we all had rare games with scores like 490-470-460, actually balanced and challenging and Fun rounds. They are nothing like a meat grinder deathmatch that is boring for the winners, and discouraging, frustrating for the two bottom team.

Precisely this. Full solo queued matches on PS4 NA are always fun. The score is usually fairly close, and the builds you encounter are all fairly random. When you queue into a match solo and see a well-known premade in the line-up, you know before the match even starts what builds they’re running (usually a standard meta cheese composition, or a pet zerg), and you know that the score will be completely imbalanced. As I mentioned earlier, some players who are tough to play against when everyone is solo queued will simply leave before a match begins if they see a notoriously cancerous premade in the lineup. Some of the members of these notorious premades are also extremely toxic on those rare occasions when they’re solo queued and you find them on your team. I once got flak from a real gem of society who told me I got “carried” and got salty with me because I died ONCE. I regularly get “gg” whispers after solo queued matches and have been called “OP” many times, and so all I could do was laugh at the guy. The a-holes who pug stomp are so used to steamrolling other teams with no opposition that they view a single death on their team as a bad player getting carried.

Exodium wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

So due to the convenience of queue times premade groups should continue being matched against solos and steam rolling through games with their optimised spin 2 win / healing springs BoL spamming / aoe snare magden groups?

Yeah okay buddy. Probably the type of player to get *** on in duels and is irrelevant without team mates to carry you.

If you and your team of pugs can't see a healer doing their job and target them then that is a l2p issue on your entire teams part. I can tell you right now as a Templar healer that breath of life is not going to save people if your team plays decent in BG. No CP allowed so healing is 50% reduced. Pop a debuff that's another 20% right there. So you are telling me that a healer doing 30% of their healing is too much to take down? Lol that is a l2p on a groups part.

Secondly I pay the same sub monthly everyone else does, so you mean to tell me my time isn't as valuable as your time? We pay the same money why should I sit in a very long que just because you don't want to see premades? You know there is text chat and you can form your own group right? It's not my fault you play a MMORPG solo....... Massive Multiplayer Online.

Thirdly I play in que with my wife most of the time so why should I suffer because I want to play a massive Multiplayer Online game with my wife? We have beat premade groups on the other side because we know how to pvp and can identify what the other team is doing. Sure we lose some but I can tell you know we win more.than we lose.

If you cant DPS through a healer then you need to check your DPS skills because they must not be that good

This is already implemented...

Read the patch notes for ****'s sake.