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Seperate premades from randoms in BGs
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Enzym3✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesYes but revamp the MMR system please. Separate queues would be a good start but the queue system has more problems than that.
Long queue times that can reach well over an hour - fighting the same group over and over because they are the only ones near your MMR - MMR never resets and is only based on how much you play BGs and not necessarily how well.
Yea this is a weird 1, if i solo que (which is mostly what i do) i get into a game almost instantly, if i am in a group before queing... i constantly get the wait.. could be up to 10 minutes but i have never experienced anything longer than that, i simply would not wait that long, ain't got time for that nonsense.
I am on xbox NA if that helps
Solo queues at mid/high MMRs can be long as well. My main usually waits anywhere between 6-10+ minutes for a match when solo queued. My alts that have not played as many matches get matches immediately, or within 1-2 minutes tops. I sometimes get immediate matches on my main, but that’s usually because I’m replacing another solo player who has rage-quit. I enter the match at the very end, and the score is something stupid like 430-30-0, thanks to a cheese premade. I usually don’t even leave my spawn when I queue into that mess (especially not if I hear the distant chorus of four WW howls).
Makes sense, i have 4 characters that i use for BG, but 3 of them are designed for team play, the 1 that is not is now my main since i rarely get a group together, so i guess the more i play on him the longer my ques are gonna get?0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesYes but revamp the MMR system please. Separate queues would be a good start but the queue system has more problems than that.
Long queue times that can reach well over an hour - fighting the same group over and over because they are the only ones near your MMR - MMR never resets and is only based on how much you play BGs and not necessarily how well.
Yea this is a weird 1, if i solo que (which is mostly what i do) i get into a game almost instantly, if i am in a group before queing... i constantly get the wait.. could be up to 10 minutes but i have never experienced anything longer than that, i simply would not wait that long, ain't got time for that nonsense.
I am on xbox NA if that helps
Solo queues at mid/high MMRs can be long as well. My main usually waits anywhere between 6-10+ minutes for a match when solo queued. My alts that have not played as many matches get matches immediately, or within 1-2 minutes tops. I sometimes get immediate matches on my main, but that’s usually because I’m replacing another solo player who has rage-quit. I enter the match at the very end, and the score is something stupid like 430-30-0, thanks to a cheese premade. I usually don’t even leave my spawn when I queue into that mess (especially not if I hear the distant chorus of four WW howls).
Makes sense, i have 4 characters that i use for BG, but 3 of them are designed for team play, the 1 that is not is now my main since i rarely get a group together, so i guess the more i play on him the longer my ques are gonna get?
Pretty much. What I do now is I run the random daily on all of my characters for the rewards, leaving my main for last. Then I queue for a single deathmatch or two on each of my four alts. About ten matches total per play session spread out over five characters. I used to play multiple matches on whichever character I felt like playing that day, but since that increased my queue time significantly on my main, I’m a lot more cautious about it now.
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Enzym3✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesYes but revamp the MMR system please. Separate queues would be a good start but the queue system has more problems than that.
Long queue times that can reach well over an hour - fighting the same group over and over because they are the only ones near your MMR - MMR never resets and is only based on how much you play BGs and not necessarily how well.
Yea this is a weird 1, if i solo que (which is mostly what i do) i get into a game almost instantly, if i am in a group before queing... i constantly get the wait.. could be up to 10 minutes but i have never experienced anything longer than that, i simply would not wait that long, ain't got time for that nonsense.
I am on xbox NA if that helps
Solo queues at mid/high MMRs can be long as well. My main usually waits anywhere between 6-10+ minutes for a match when solo queued. My alts that have not played as many matches get matches immediately, or within 1-2 minutes tops. I sometimes get immediate matches on my main, but that’s usually because I’m replacing another solo player who has rage-quit. I enter the match at the very end, and the score is something stupid like 430-30-0, thanks to a cheese premade. I usually don’t even leave my spawn when I queue into that mess (especially not if I hear the distant chorus of four WW howls).
Makes sense, i have 4 characters that i use for BG, but 3 of them are designed for team play, the 1 that is not is now my main since i rarely get a group together, so i guess the more i play on him the longer my ques are gonna get?
Pretty much. What I do now is I run the random daily on all of my characters for the rewards, leaving my main for last. Then I queue for a single deathmatch or two on each of my four alts. About ten matches total per play session spread out over five characters. I used to play multiple matches on whichever character I felt like playing that day, but since that increased my queue time significantly on my main, I’m a lot more cautious about it now.
Wow OK thanks for the insight, I literally log in to the main cause i'm just at an exhausted point with the state of the game (my opinion) and will just play until the game kicks me out and then i play a different game, maybe i need to mix it up a little then to get a break lol1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesYes but revamp the MMR system please. Separate queues would be a good start but the queue system has more problems than that.
Long queue times that can reach well over an hour - fighting the same group over and over because they are the only ones near your MMR - MMR never resets and is only based on how much you play BGs and not necessarily how well.
Yea this is a weird 1, if i solo que (which is mostly what i do) i get into a game almost instantly, if i am in a group before queing... i constantly get the wait.. could be up to 10 minutes but i have never experienced anything longer than that, i simply would not wait that long, ain't got time for that nonsense.
I am on xbox NA if that helps
Solo queues at mid/high MMRs can be long as well. My main usually waits anywhere between 6-10+ minutes for a match when solo queued. My alts that have not played as many matches get matches immediately, or within 1-2 minutes tops. I sometimes get immediate matches on my main, but that’s usually because I’m replacing another solo player who has rage-quit. I enter the match at the very end, and the score is something stupid like 430-30-0, thanks to a cheese premade. I usually don’t even leave my spawn when I queue into that mess (especially not if I hear the distant chorus of four WW howls).
Makes sense, i have 4 characters that i use for BG, but 3 of them are designed for team play, the 1 that is not is now my main since i rarely get a group together, so i guess the more i play on him the longer my ques are gonna get?
Pretty much. What I do now is I run the random daily on all of my characters for the rewards, leaving my main for last. Then I queue for a single deathmatch or two on each of my four alts. About ten matches total per play session spread out over five characters. I used to play multiple matches on whichever character I felt like playing that day, but since that increased my queue time significantly on my main, I’m a lot more cautious about it now.
Wow OK thanks for the insight, I literally log in to the main cause i'm just at an exhausted point with the state of the game (my opinion) and will just play until the game kicks me out and then i play a different game, maybe i need to mix it up a little then to get a break lol
The upside of rotating alts through BGs is that it keeps things fresh. If you limit yourself to one of each class, it’s also a little easier to try new things without breaking the bank.
The thing I love about BGs (when everyone is solo-queued) is that it’s possible to make unorthodox builds work. You can be very creative and still be effective. 1 -
LiraTaurwen✭✭✭✭✭No keep it the way it is (why?)I would rather it stays as it is now even if sometimes it feels unfair. I queu many times with another friend and we get two randoms so it would be unfair to our group to get full premade groups to fight. It's something difficult to balance and it could make waiting times longer too.
It really doesn't bother me too much to find premade groups, it's just an oportunity to learn something.0 -
Enzym3✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesYes but revamp the MMR system please. Separate queues would be a good start but the queue system has more problems than that.
Long queue times that can reach well over an hour - fighting the same group over and over because they are the only ones near your MMR - MMR never resets and is only based on how much you play BGs and not necessarily how well.
Yea this is a weird 1, if i solo que (which is mostly what i do) i get into a game almost instantly, if i am in a group before queing... i constantly get the wait.. could be up to 10 minutes but i have never experienced anything longer than that, i simply would not wait that long, ain't got time for that nonsense.
I am on xbox NA if that helps
Solo queues at mid/high MMRs can be long as well. My main usually waits anywhere between 6-10+ minutes for a match when solo queued. My alts that have not played as many matches get matches immediately, or within 1-2 minutes tops. I sometimes get immediate matches on my main, but that’s usually because I’m replacing another solo player who has rage-quit. I enter the match at the very end, and the score is something stupid like 430-30-0, thanks to a cheese premade. I usually don’t even leave my spawn when I queue into that mess (especially not if I hear the distant chorus of four WW howls).
Makes sense, i have 4 characters that i use for BG, but 3 of them are designed for team play, the 1 that is not is now my main since i rarely get a group together, so i guess the more i play on him the longer my ques are gonna get?
Pretty much. What I do now is I run the random daily on all of my characters for the rewards, leaving my main for last. Then I queue for a single deathmatch or two on each of my four alts. About ten matches total per play session spread out over five characters. I used to play multiple matches on whichever character I felt like playing that day, but since that increased my queue time significantly on my main, I’m a lot more cautious about it now.
Wow OK thanks for the insight, I literally log in to the main cause i'm just at an exhausted point with the state of the game (my opinion) and will just play until the game kicks me out and then i play a different game, maybe i need to mix it up a little then to get a break lol
The upside of rotating alts through BGs is that it keeps things fresh. If you limit yourself to one of each class, it’s also a little easier to try new things without breaking the bank. The thing I love about BGs (when everyone is solo-queued) is that it’s possible to make unorthodox builds work. You can be very creative and still be effective.
Oh yea absolutely, I love making something new and although i am using stamden mostly now, I have changed his build so many times it's laughable which has cost me enormous amounts of gold and mats (just did it again yesterday), and this is the problem everytime i get on another character, i end up doing the same thing after 1 random BG.. 6 hours of messing around with the characters build lol
the only issue i get with using different characters is that i end up pressing the wrong skills half the time.. sitting on the wrong bar casting shroud while LA weaving thinking damn this guy can take a hit.....lol1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesWho cares about balance? those talking about taking time in pre-made groups queue are not justify crushing RANDOM PUGS!1 -
JaZ2091✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesGive them a Ranked Match que that way their epeen is satisfied.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesA seperate queue might offer faster times for premade groups yes?
Yes, because separate queues would mean that ZOS could change the way the MMR system works. While we don’t know exactly how it works, it appears that premades generally have a significantly inflated MMR to minimize the chance of these groups being paired up with randoms. That means that the game has to spend a long time searching for players who are at that level (which, presumably due to the inflation, is a very small number of players). With separate rankings and queues for pugs and premades, both groups of players should have faster queue times AND better experiences overall.Edited by Aurielle on March 3, 2019 1:26PM2 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesJust had an entire team quit on PS4 NA thanks to yet another petstacking packleader premade group. I hope the BG shut down for said premade.
Edit: I learned just then that the BG doesn’t shut down when everyone leaves. Another pug and I just faced the same premade again on a different map. We stayed at spawn and ran down the clock.
FIX IT, ZOS.Edited by Aurielle on March 3, 2019 7:34PM0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No keep it the way it is (why?)I always solo queue, usually end up doing well even if there’s a premade there. I’m even in the top 50 for the week in death match points despite being a healer (healer’s get *** points).
What I mainly see are people who aren’t spec’d/playing correctly, if you think removing premades will help it likely won’t. Unfortunately pvping doesn’t necessarily make you better, if done poorly it just reinforces bad habits. PvP requires being aggressive, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone turn tail and run as soon as they take damage. I’ll heal their full health pool twice over before they’ve made their first attack.
Separating premades will just lower the average skill level, really frustrating as a pvp healer.
Leaderboards mean nothing in BGs as far as skill goes; placing on the leaderboard simply means you played a lot of matches that week.
What, in your opinion, counts as being spec’d correctly? Following the meta? Virtually any build can succeed in no CP, provided that it deals good damage and can be sustained — and that the player using the build knows what they’re doing. There are PLENTY of excellent solo players on PS4 NA who are always trying new things, and not blindly copying some build/getting carried by some build they found on YouTube.
Based on your comments in other BG threads, I’m going to guess that you’re in the mid-tier ranks at best (you claimed previously to not have encountered the same premades over and over again, and wondered if people claiming “cancer premades” are simply losing to better solo queued players). Get back to me when you can “do well” as a healer against the more notorious premades on PS4 NA.
Well that’s not likely because I don’t play PS4. I’ve been against and in premades before. I don’t think you understand how frustrating it is to be a pvp healer with a bad team. Of course people are going to group up.
Some players play for 2nd place, some try and run as soon as they’re scratched, some are too timid to push. Some just try not to die and are playing against their team mates, they’re happy losing if they have the best stats on their team. Seen it all.
Being spec’d correctly means that you can be healed because you don’t blow up in less than 2 seconds. Playing correctly means you press the damage buttons when you see the other team. There’s more to it but that’s the basics that so many get wrong. A lot of ‘pvpers’ are actually worse than PvE players in pvp, they at least understand the fundamentals.
The biggest reason why people don’t like premades is they can’t force people to carry them.
Edited by Iskiab on March 3, 2019 8:53PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesI always solo queue, usually end up doing well even if there’s a premade there. I’m even in the top 50 for the week in death match points despite being a healer (healer’s get *** points).
What I mainly see are people who aren’t spec’d/playing correctly, if you think removing premades will help it likely won’t. Unfortunately pvping doesn’t necessarily make you better, if done poorly it just reinforces bad habits. PvP requires being aggressive, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone turn tail and run as soon as they take damage. I’ll heal their full health pool twice over before they’ve made their first attack.
Separating premades will just lower the average skill level, really frustrating as a pvp healer.
Leaderboards mean nothing in BGs as far as skill goes; placing on the leaderboard simply means you played a lot of matches that week.
What, in your opinion, counts as being spec’d correctly? Following the meta? Virtually any build can succeed in no CP, provided that it deals good damage and can be sustained — and that the player using the build knows what they’re doing. There are PLENTY of excellent solo players on PS4 NA who are always trying new things, and not blindly copying some build/getting carried by some build they found on YouTube.
Based on your comments in other BG threads, I’m going to guess that you’re in the mid-tier ranks at best (you claimed previously to not have encountered the same premades over and over again, and wondered if people claiming “cancer premades” are simply losing to better solo queued players). Get back to me when you can “do well” as a healer against the more notorious premades on PS4 NA.
Well that’s not likely because I don’t play PS4. I’ve been against and in premades before. I don’t think you understand how frustrating it is to be a pvp healer with a bad team. Of course people are going to group up.
Some players play for 2nd place, some try and run as soon as they’re scratched, some are too timid to push. Some just try not to die and are playing against their team mates, they’re happy losing if they have the best stats on their team. Seen it all.
Being spec’d correctly means that you can be healed because you don’t blow up in less than 2 seconds. Playing correctly means you press the damage buttons when you see the other team. There’s more to it but that’s the basics that so many get wrong. A lot of ‘pvpers’ are actually worse than PvE players in pvp, they at least understand the fundamentals.
The biggest reason why people don’t like premades is they can’t force people to carry them.
I understand precisely how frustrating it can be to be a PVP healer in BGs without a premade, because that’s how I started out. I quickly learned that you generally do a disservice to your random group by speccing for full heals; you do far more for your random team by building hybrid DPS/support characters. Healbots are better suited to cancer premades that end with only a handful of deaths across all three teams, as the match essentially becomes an exercise in determining who can out-heal, out-tank, and out-sustain the other teams. I can heal an entire team of randoms on my Warden using just Leeching Vines and Life Giver — while still throwing in Permafrost and squeezing a few kills in every now and then. For example:
The biggest reason why most people who pug don’t like premades at higher MMR tiers is NOT because they “can’t force people to carry them” (LOL); it’s because they’re a group of randoms going up against well-organized teams that have builds carefully tailored to synergize well with each other — usually with a ton of cheese sprinkled on top to ensure maximum roflstomp. I can say that with very few exceptions, most of the people I encounter in BGs on PS4 NA are excellent PVPers with good builds. It has been a VERY long time since I’ve had a complete potato on my team.0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherThis is too much, especially if two friends log together. Even if they communicate and synergize well with each other, they are just two and that's not enough to win.
I would rather see solo/duo queue and full 4-premade queue. (Just like old League of Legends system)Edited by Olupajmibanan on March 3, 2019 10:24PM2 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesI can’t log in for some reason, so I’m just going to leave this here.
https://youtu.be/LG-cjTYaMH0
RIVETING GAMEPLAY.4 -
seventyfive✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesOlupajmibanan wrote: »This is too much, especially if two friends log together. Even if they communicate and synergize well with each other, they are just two and that's not enough to win.
I would rather see solo/duo queue and full 4-premade queue. (Just like old League of Legends system)
Perhaps you could queue as 1, 2 or 4 people? The 2-man teams could be put together, separated from the 4-mans...
Would this create extremely long queue times? Maybe.
OR you could just invite a couple extra folks through guild/zone if you want to play grouped and you're two.
While we're at it, can't we just make a dedicated 1v1 Arena with leaderboards and game-modes? Judging from this discussion, there are a lot of solo players who wish to lose when they perform poorly and win when they perform well. The easiest way to achieve that is to remove the factors that you can't affect, one being the skill of your teammates (if they're randoms).0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesI can’t log in for some reason, so I’m just going to leave this here.https://youtu.be/LG-cjTYaMH0
RIVETING GAMEPLAY.
Yep, this is normal 6 - 10 times a day for me,, be happy it wasnt that full Torugs WW group i shelved my main magsorc after i met them back then xD 0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesKarmanorway wrote: »I can’t log in for some reason, so I’m just going to leave this here.https://youtu.be/LG-cjTYaMH0
RIVETING GAMEPLAY.
Yep, this is normal 6 - 10 times a day for me,, be happy it wasnt that full Torugs WW group i shelved my main magsorc after i met them back then xD
It’s honestly ridiculous. And I’m pretty sure these guys (like all the WW premades on console) were running full Torugs (it’s not fixed on console yet — we have about a week left of this BS). When you get frustrated and send them rage tells, they tell you to L2P and counter them. These guys spend all day deliberately roflstomping pugs and expect you to “counter” them, when they each have two or more pets active constantly, are running Zaans, and are abusing bleeds/enchants. Most of us have stopped engaging with them. People either leave the match or hang out at their own spawn, rather than feed their egos. It’s not fun, and it’s the very definition of unbalanced. If the cheese premades who don’t seek challenge, but rather seek to destroy pugs with little to no opposition, keep this up, they eventually won’t have anyone left to play against as we’ll have all moved on to other games.1 -
satanio✭✭✭✭be honest, pvp in eso is a joke. starting with weird and nonresponsive combat system, ending with BG matchmaking.
PvE is your haven... grouping up is kinda f'd but everything is okay till npcs cannot animation cancel.
Back to the topic:
Shuffle groups, everyone and everything. Players that wanted to play together would have unique chance to test their own *** against one of their own. Imma genius.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesEvery so often, the RNG gods bless pugs with a good map (perfect for creating AOE choke points) and a group that randomly synergizes well:
https://youtu.be/3VY9Gn9y-q0
That WW premade was stacking pets, using Mystic Guard, and wearing Earthgore. All that cheese, and they lost to a group of randoms getting healed by Leeching Vines and Life Giver.0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesHalf the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.
If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.
Patch notes have introduced a bigger step into MMR this patch to put premades with premades more. Can onLy go so far tho and still get fast queue pop.
I say use another motivation. Have a pre-made ranking leader board. With prizes, names teams. That way the guys really on it will go there as good players don't enjoy pug stomping as it is. Win win.
What change was added in the patch notes?1 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesMartiniDaniels wrote: »There is other option. Just show pre-mades both in BGs and dungeon group finder. So if you load to BG and see 2 groups of premades as enemies, you just leave and re-log to alt and don't waste potions and anybody's time. Those 2 groups may fight each other for 1st place. If there is 1 pre-made group then you will know who to focus to fight for second place.
Same for dungeon finder. It's rare but it happens to meet 2-3 premade groups of jerks which may start all kind of bad behavior knowing that they can't be kicked. Just add indication that this is pre-made group so I may leave at first sign of inadequate behavior of one of them.
Pretty much what I do now. If I have another alt I want to play I quit and go play him. If I want more time on the current I go afk and make some food or drink. re queue for the next game0 -
jediodyn_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesIncentives are the key to doing this right.
A lot of players are worried about groups not finding other groups to fight but it’s really about incentives.
More AP
Higher Quality items
More gold
Unique Achievements
Unique Tatoos
Unique housing items
Unique armor styles
Group leaderboards
All of these are great incentives.
Bad incentives would be taking the desirable PvP items rewarded to solo queue and making them group only.0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No keep it the way it is (why?)Your suggestion doesn't allow people to queue with a 2 or 3 man group.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A seperate queue might offer faster times for premade groups yes?
Clearly not. Separate queues would lead to longer queue times for all. It is a math issue Have fewer player in the queue and it pops less often. There is no other possibility.
It is a bad idea altogether as even two players makes a premade. The entire idea is poorly thought out. Further, it would change little as most of those groups people think are premade are not. They are just a group that played better.Edited by idk on January 10, 2020 10:01PM0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesSo we have solo BGs now... What do u think of that?0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes make a seperate queue for premadesKarmanorway wrote: »So we have solo BGs now... What do u think of that?
Good for my playstyle.2
