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Which of the racial changes do you dislike the most?

Thevampirenight
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I had to put Imperials and Nords into the same poll space. Since people for the most part found them lacking till this update I placed them together. Reason why is limited poll options can only use ten slots and I wanted to include an other option with this one.
For the most part I am okay with them. I personally am not fond of the changes with Khajiit and Bosmer, as I feel their passives should belong to the other race. Stealth Detection, Should be a khajiit option and Stealth reduction a Bosmer one. Khajiit are based on felines, Felines have very good sense for detecting motion, aka prey, harder to sneak upon because of hearing, vision, sense of smell and also whiskers. Tried to sneak a finger to pet my cat the other night or day or last night and well their head turned and he was mostly asleep or asleep at the time also got to consider the fact their whiskers also help allow them to sense things when their vision cannot. So with the whiskers, sense of smell, eye sight and hearing. It makes the most sense they are able to detect sneak thieves the best of all other races. Be the best acrobats of all the other races.

The lore place Bosmer as the major thief race. Their rite of theft and they are some of the best sneaks. So I do feel they got them wrong and have been giving them the wrong passives. Bosmer Should have Theft, Khajiit should have acrobatics. That is one of my major issues with the race changes, giving some of the races the wrong thing. Khajiit pickpocketing passive should have been given to the Bosmer and the Bosmer fall damage passive should have been given to the Khajiit. This is what I think the two races should have looked like Bosmer Pickpocket chance, Khajiit Fall Damage reduction. Bosmer Stealth Detect Reduction, Khajiit Stealth Detection increase.
Edited by Thevampirenight on February 25, 2019 5:44AM
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Which of the racial changes do you dislike the most? 442 votes

Altmer Changes
23%
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Breton Changes
0%
haelene 1 vote
Bosmer Changes
31%
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Dunmer Changes
7%
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Imperial/Nord Changes
3%
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Argonian Changes
9%
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Khajiit Changes
7%
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Orc Changes
2%
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Redguard Changes
2%
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Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
11%
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  • Nemesis7884
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    Bosmer Changes
    eh i mostly like them...the bosmer seem still very specific...maybe they could be a bit more generalized...and im not sure i like the latest khajiit changes...
  • Lylith
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    Bosmer Changes
    tbh, i don't like any of them.

    should've been left alone, imho.

  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Bosmer Changes
    Are bosmer under represented in PvP since that seems to be the direction of that last passive. I don't see myself ever using it in PvE for any reason. Sure you'll roll dodge to get out of stuff, but not likely to waste the stamina for a penetration boost that you more than likely don't need in groups.
  • AndyMac
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    Dunmer Changes
    Dunmer should have kept flame damage - the changes generally aren’t too bad - but that flavour loss tho ....
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  • rabidmyers
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    Argonian Changes
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  • Ertosi
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    Bosmer Changes
    Bosmer losing stealth for stealth detection is such an obviously bad choice; so bad it illustrates quite well how out of touch they are with the player base and even how their own game is played.
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  • VDoom1
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    Imperial/Nord Changes
    I don't know much about the coming racial changes. However it does seem like many are displeased and even angry at the changes for Imperial and Nords.

    Don't nerf my main! I wonder how it will be after the update playing on my main. (Imperial)

    Also no it doesn't make much sense that Khajiits loose or get decreased stealth detection. Their cats, cats are little ninjas with fur. No one sneaks up on the ninja. The ninja does the sneaking.
    Edited by VDoom1 on February 25, 2019 6:47AM
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  • colossalvoids
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    Khajiit Changes
    Can't say I dislike any, khajiiti one took me by surprise and made it more dependent on a current meta setup, it's not a dislike really but I preferred an option to be as good in non fully bis setup(veiled/ravager instead of ay or one sword instead of dagger/dagger).
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Altmer Changes
    Altmer. Stamina regen makes zero sense from a lore perspective and it's a useless passive in PvE.

    I can appreciate the issues with Bosmer and Argonian too. Bosmer losing stealth and Argonian loosing poison resistance make no sense from a lore perspective either. Argonian were also nerfed pretty hard.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 25, 2019 7:08AM
  • Browiseth
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    Argonian Changes
    because the answer to something over performing and everyone picking it is to make it underperform so no one will pick it, right?
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  • Mudcrabber
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    Argonian Changes
    I like the Khajiit changes because they provide a path to ditch the Argonian passives and still have a tail.
  • max_only
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    Bosmer Changes
    I’m not happy with the Dunmer losing their fire (I kinda understand, not really though);
    the Altmer gaining stamina (but I guess it’s not the worst that could have happened);
    the Argonians loosing poison resist and healing received (not cool);
    the Nords needing to take damage to benefit (but I get it); and
    Khajiits being Mages (they are less known for their Mages and healers compared to Altmer, Dunmer, Breton, Imperial, and Argonian). Gotta sell the Khajiit expansion though.

    Redguard, Orc, Breton (the Covenant) all got buffs or lateral changes. No tin foil hats here...

    I like the latest Imperial changes, they aren’t p2w op and it actually makes them well rounded. They’re my second favorite race so good for you Imperials follow your dreams!

    The Bosmer changes are like being fed fudge dipped cow pies. Oh thank you for validating our existence after all this time - by gutting everything we hold dear.
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  • ArchMikem
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    Khajiit Changes
    My Stamblade is only getting 750 stam instead of the 2k i wanted.
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  • Master_Kas
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    Dunmer Changes
    I had to put Imperials and Nords into the same poll space. Since people for the most part found them lacking till this update I placed them together. Reason why is limited poll options can only use ten slots and I wanted to include an other option with this one.
    For the most part I am okay with them. I personally am not fond of the changes with Khajiit and Bosmer, as I feel their passives should belong to the other race. Stealth Detection, Should be a khajiit option and Stealth reduction a Bosmer one. Khajiit are based on felines, Felines have very good sense for detecting motion, aka prey, harder to sneak upon because of hearing, vision, sense of smell and also whiskers. Tried to sneak a finger to pet my cat the other night or day or last night and well their head turned and he was mostly asleep or asleep at the time also got to consider the fact their whiskers also help allow them to sense things when their vision cannot. So with the whiskers, sense of smell, eye sight and hearing. It makes the most sense they are able to detect sneak thieves the best of all other races. Be the best acrobats of all the other races.

    The lore place Bosmer as the major thief race. Their rite of theft and they are some of the best sneaks. So I do feel they got them wrong and have been giving them the wrong passives. Bosmer Should have Theft, Khajiit should have acrobatics. That is one of my major issues with the race changes, giving some of the races the wrong thing. Khajiit pickpocketing passive should have been given to the Bosmer and the Bosmer fall damage passive should have been given to the Khajiit. This is what I think the two races should have looked like Bosmer Pickpocket chance, Khajiit Fall Damage reduction. Bosmer Stealth Detect Reduction, Khajiit Stealth Detection increase.

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  • TelvanniWizard
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    Bosmer Changes
    Lore is dead :(
  • Uryel
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    Bosmer Changes
    max_only wrote: »
    The Bosmer changes are like being fed fudge dipped cow pies. Oh thank you for validating our existence after all this time - by gutting everything we hold dear.

    This. Removing stealth from Bosmers is against the lore, removes a viable gameplay option that might have been by itself the very reason the character was created in the first place, and the stealth detection passive that replaces it has absolutely no use whatsoever in PvE since there isn't a single stealthy enemy in PvE.

    This will have no impact on the supposed sniper ganking problem in Cyrodiil ("supposed" because I don't PvP, I only went there long enough to get the skyshards), as people who wish to gank will simply become Khajiits. Gankers gonna gank.

    However, the full force of this change will impact the casual players the most. Those who simply enjoy stealing stuff, stealth their way through a delve avoiding combat and whatnot.
  • efster
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    Bosmer Changes
    PVE Bosmer are now the only race with not one but TWO roleplay passives.
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  • Turelus
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    Altmer Changes
    Altmer just because IMO it makes the least sense.
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  • MaleAmazon
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    Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
    I brought my own dead horse to beat.

    Most of the racial changes seem sort of ok. But certainly not something that will lin a meaningful way

    And like I always say - remove racial passives. Put them in a pool, let people pick. That way the minmaxers can have theirs, the roleplayers can have theirs, people like me who like to mess about and change can do that...

    And you are not restricted to ridiculousness like 'magicka races' (although they have taken some good steps in this patch), etc.

    Race passives make no sense other than from 2 perspectives: 1; "That´s how it used to be back in the day (yeah and let´s use 2d10 for damage calculations)" and 2; Race change tokens as a source of revenue.
  • Zacuel
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    Dunmer Changes
    Magdk will no longer be dunmer exclusive. Which I guess was the whole point of racial changes. Allowing more races more options.

    But us who main as dunmer magdk got shafted.

    Fair is fair. Just don't expect me to be happy about it. 😋
  • Thevampirenight
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Altmer just because IMO it makes the least sense.

    Yeah Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit. All because of lore too. I really do think they have mixed up the lore or at least given the wrong passives between Khajiit and Bosmer. Spell Charge should basically restore Magicka. Maybe have it restore for using a magicka ability. Just like using a weapon restores health for an Orc. And Stamina with a Redguard. This is what they should do with Altmer. As it would stick with the lore with the the Altmer being the best Magicka Race, Not stamina race its a magicka race. They are so good with magic they are weak to its power when its used on them.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on February 25, 2019 8:29AM
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    Please add Fangs to Vampires.
  • Radiance
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    Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
    I know it is not Lore appropriate or whatever but I hoped they would make a Stam and Magic Morph Option for the Racial passives. I know certain races are meant to specialize at certain roles and classes but After a while you start to notice how all the people playing a certain class role are looking for the same sets and playing eerily similar looking characters... If you do a little bit of research you can align your Class with the perfect Role and Race and get that little advantage over the normies but if you go the route of preference you may end up lacking.
    This game racist! LOL no, I just want to have like a Magicka Bosmer or a Stam Altmer without getting looks of disappointment from the hardcore Min/Maxer Vets!


  • Left4Daud
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    Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
    I love everything about the Bosmer changes EXCEPT Hunter’s Eye which is a swing and huge miss for me. I don’t like how the bulk of the passive (movespeed/pen boost) is contingent upon a player action (roll dodge) and therefore not really a passive... and everything that can be said about the stealth detection nonsense has been well and repeatedly said.

    I feel like from a PVE dps perspective the balance goals have mostly been achieved outside of what, Argonians right? But healer and tanking race variety could have used more improvements.

    Stam races being able to spec into Magicka builds, and Magicka races into stamina with neglible impact would have been desirable too.

    Things like Redguard/Orc magsorc, Breton Stamblade, Bosmer Magicka DPS (Spinner) things like that.
  • Elwendryll
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    Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
    I'm fine. I play mostly khajiit. I'm not good enough to take the changes as a nerf, actually, for me, it's only a buff. I also changed my build for a less meta setup, and went from 34k dps with DW/Bow to 36k dps with 2H/Bow (I have to test on live without the 200ms ping). I can still complete trials with my guild, but I'm free from the DW line, for now.

    I'm really happy with this update, I no longer feel "guilty" for wanting to stick with khajiit in endgame scenario.
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  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    Bosmer Changes
    Bosmer just don't feel like Bosmer anymore. After 25 years of the Elder Scrolls they have ceased to be especially stealthy or good with the bow. They no longer fit any of the racial descriptions from any TES game.

    I think it might be better if ZOS changed the name of the race to one of those generic small-people names that are widely used in the Sword and Sorcerer genre. Gnome, or Halfling, or something. Small, energetic, perceptive but not notably stealthy or proficient with the bow. Or maybe just turn their skin grey and call them...
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  • Ye_Olde_Crowe
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    Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc
    I really don't mind any of those changes as I select races for my characters for visual and/or lore reasons mostly. So I'm fine with the changes.
    Edited by Ye_Olde_Crowe on February 25, 2019 9:05AM
    PC EU.

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  • GaunterODim
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    Khajiit Changes
    Khajiit because they ditched their crit chance passive.
  • alainjbrennanb16_ESO
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    Dunmer Changes
    i dont see the point in the changes
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  • Minyassa
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    Bosmer Changes
    The Bosmer stealth bonus removal has literally negated the entire point of my making a Bosmer thief. So it's game-breaking for that particular toon, and IMO game tweaks should never be game-breaking.

    There was no point to doing that. They could've retained Khajiit stealth superiority by simply giving them a higher stealth bonus, they did not have to permanently fuse bells all over the Bosmer for it. Bad form, ZOS.
  • Tigerseye
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    Bosmer Changes
    Well, I guess I'm biased, but I'm not very happy about losing the stealth bonus, as I tend to supplement my income via casual criminal actvities. xD
    Edited by Tigerseye on February 25, 2019 9:14AM
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