Which of the racial changes do you dislike the most?

Tigerseye

Bosmer Changes

Left4Daud wrote: »

I love everything about the Bosmer changes EXCEPT Hunter’s Eye which is a swing and huge miss for me. I don’t like how the bulk of the passive (movespeed/pen boost) is contingent upon a player action (roll dodge) and therefore not really a passive...

I already roll around like a lunatic, anyway, so I'm OK with that, to be honest.

I got used to disengaging in WoW and then roll dodging in GW2.

So, I just continued with that playstyle here.

For me, the question is whether the races are more equally balanced, overall - as that was supposed to be the goal of the exercise.

I can't really see how they are - it just seems to have moved stuff around more than anything - but, there you go.

Left4Daud

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

@Tigerseye

That’s fortunate the passive synergies nicely for your play style but it won’t for everyone. This is supposed to be the utility passive for Bosmer, Magicka Bosmer are not going to be able to sustain roll dodging to take advantage of the spell pen boost of the passive so it is completely used to them.

Also, my main problem with the passive is that it’s well, more of an active than a passive. Resourceful suffers from a similar problem but I’ll let Argonian mains cover that if needed.

mb10

Altmer Changes

Aldmeri Dominion getting toasted. Nothing new

bearbelly

Bosmer Changes

That one Bosmer change. It's just mind-blowingly... wrong.

I can live with the rest of the changes, but that one just... UGH.

TheRealPotoroo

Bosmer Changes

bearbelly wrote: »

That one Bosmer change. It's just mind-blowingly... wrong.

I can live with the rest of the changes, but that one just... UGH.

This. It's just infuriating when ZOS make stupid changes like this for incredibly dumb reasons that show they don't even play their own game and have no understanding of how players relate to their characters.

dan958

Bosmer Changes

Bosmer, because my character is a Bosmer

mrfrontman

I personally thought the race war was over

Banana

Orc Changes

They still look like an orc

Tommy_The_Gun

Argonian Changes

Argonian & Bosmer (voted alphabetically).
Those 2 races are probably the weakest ones when it comes to racial passives (assuming PTS will go live).

Argonians are in quite bad spot as they are kinda "ok" (at best) for a tank role (but nowhere near bis as nords, imerials and even redguards are better) and are also outclassed by pretty much all magicka races when it comes to healer role - so well pretty much no one will use them. DPS - they are also bottom for both mag and stam.

Bosmers are also in a bad spot. Their detection passive has very narrow use (only in PvP). Their role dodge penetration passive forces very awkward playstyle and gives diminish dps increase.

SpiderCultist

Orc Changes

orcs way overtuned

Gryph13

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

I voted other - as I think the changes are not too shabby. That said, I sorta dislike the emo level of responses, and think the sky is falling mentality is a bit over the top here after these changes. i am glad they are shaking things up a bit.

SpiderCultist

Orc Changes

Gryph13 wrote: »

I voted other - as I think the changes are not too shabby. That said, I sorta dislike the emo level of responses, and think the sky is falling mentality is a bit over the top here after these changes. i am glad they are shaking things up a bit.

I will post an emo picture of my woodelf as soon as we go live, just to annoy you

Gryph13

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Gryph13 wrote: »

I voted other - as I think the changes are not too shabby. That said, I sorta dislike the emo level of responses, and think the sky is falling mentality is a bit over the top here after these changes. i am glad they are shaking things up a bit.

I will post an emo picture of my woodelf as soon as we go live, just to annoy you

HAHHAHA, it will likely just make me laugh promise not to be annoyed.

Tabbycat

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

Some of these changes are going against lore and I don't like that.

Agobi

Bosmer Changes

Zacuel wrote: »

.. the whole point of racial changes. Allowing more races more options..... 😋

Unless of course you are a bosmer

leeux

Orc Changes

SpiderCultist wrote: »

orcs way overtuned

Agreed.

Xarc

Altmer Changes

I am worried about the regen.

Tia413

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

Tabbycat wrote: »

Some of these changes are going against lore and I don't like that.

Couldn't have said it better myself

These Racial passive changes just seem so wrong

Well, I won't be taking the time to listen to the quest npc's or read books anymore....seems lore isn't important any longer

Or at least that is how this update is making me feel.

So, so sad

Itzmichi

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

Iam glady that they mixed the field up a bit. Im not judging the changes straight away and either way, as we all know changes are things that come and go. Maybe next week everything will be reverted, who can tell what happens next.

Brrrofski

Other- One of the following reasons. Some of the above racial changes, All of the Above changes I don't like, I'm Fine with most of the racial Changes, Etc

From a PvP perspective, I like them all to be fair. Like every race is stronger than others for certain builds.

Everyone of them looks strong in PvP. Just depends on your build.

Outside of gank builds, bosmer NBs have improved a lot.
The stam return on altmers is super strong in PvP and the cast time damage reduction is nice for Templar too.
Orc is strong for any stam build. Imperial and Nord too. Even mag Nords and imperials will be nice.
Redguard will be strong on stam sorc and stam DK.
Breton good for any magica build.
Argonian will be good too (that burst sustain is so good in PvP)
Khajit will be BIS for ganking and ok for other builds although not best.
Dark elf will be good for magica builds mostly - the extra stam is nice. Ok for stam builds too.

Of course, this is if it doesn't change from last PTS notes.

I don't really pve much beyond 4 man content so BIS for that doesn't bother me. Don't really care about lore either - kinda hard to feel immersed when a dude called xXx Epik Shotz xXx is teabagging you.

Edziu

Bosmer Changes

I mainly dislike khajiit change from crit chance to crit damage as I play only khajiits ande this is runing my build, gameplay around my build other than meta...but I know this change is not that horrible like bosmer change

Nerouyn

Bosmer Changes

I have a lot of bosmer and altmer and unfortunately both races get passives I strongly dislike.

I voted for bosmer cos they got double whammied. They lost the one passive I potentially could get some use out of (stealth bonus). And I despise some-strange-effect-when-you-dodge things. Despise. With a passion.

Altmer are a close second though. I don't mind the nerf to their max magicka but I play ESO because it doesn't have cooldowns and offers more freedom than most MMOs, though sadly not as much as the single player games.

The new Altmer passive which returns resources is on a cooldown and only triggers when using a class ability. Yek!

Thankfully I'm not very advanced with most of these characters so at least have the option of relegating them to storage mules.

Vulsahdaal

Altmer Changes

Can only pick one choice, but rather unhappy about two of them.

First is Bosmer, for reasons stated much better than I could many times here.

How would putting stealth back really affect DPS? Is it going to make them OP ?

If so, why does Khajiit have it? It would make more sense to me for Bosmer to have stealth and Khajiit have stealth detection- though I really dont think its fair for Khajiit to have this useless trait either though it seems more in line with lore anyway. Night vision from Khajiit comes to mind..

And speaking of useless traits, this stamina regen thing with Altmer? Really?!?

Look, I get it. Races are supposed to be damage or sustain. Not both. But why is Altmer given such a useless passive?

If they want keep consistant, why not make Altmer in line with Orc, a stamina damage race?

I posted this before, but I will repeat because I still just dont get it?


If it is a case of damage vs sustain, as you say then compare two damage characters:

Altmer: + 2000 mag
Orc: + 2000 stam

Altmer: + 258 spell dam
Orc: + 258 weapon dam

Looks like two sides of the same coin. Then:

Altmer: + 645 stam when activating an ability. 6 second cooldown.
Orc: + 1000 health and heals up to 600 health when deals weapon damage. 4 second cooldown.

Why does Altmer not have this health passive? At least for the sake of consistancy?

Or instead of health, give Orc 645 mag 'return' every 6 seconds?

Because giving Orc magicka is somehow wrong, but giving Altmer stamina is right?

Sorry, but these changes to me feel like trolling because I can not understand what other sort of reasoning they are using here..

russelmmendoza

Dunmer Changes

I want the dark elfs not to loose their additional fire damage.

Its what makes them better than those snooty high elves.

Their the Dark Knights of eso.

Dark elf + dragon knight = Dark Knight.

Nerouyn

Bosmer Changes

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Sorry, but these changes to me feel like trolling because I can not understand what other sort of reasoning they are using here..

If you're adding a new class to the game and want to encourage more players to try it, making them hate their existing characters is one way to go.

barney2525

GaunterODim wrote: »

Khajiit because they ditched their crit chance passive.

Khajiit

• Increases Experience gain in Medium Armor Skill Line by 15%, 5% bonus change to successfully pickpocket → No changes
• Nimble: 20% Health Recovery and 10% Stamina Recovery → Robustness: Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka recovery by 75.
• Stealthy: Reduce detection radius by 3m and Increase damage from Stealth by 10% → Lunar Blessings: Increases your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 750.
• Carnage: Increase Weapon Critical Chance by 8% → Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.


This one sees we still have crit passives

Thevampirenight

Bosmer Changes

barney2525 wrote: »

GaunterODim wrote: »

Khajiit because they ditched their crit chance passive.

Khajiit

• Increases Experience gain in Medium Armor Skill Line by 15%, 5% bonus change to successfully pickpocket → No changes
• Nimble: 20% Health Recovery and 10% Stamina Recovery → Robustness: Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka recovery by 75.
• Stealthy: Reduce detection radius by 3m and Increase damage from Stealth by 10% → Lunar Blessings: Increases your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 750.
• Carnage: Increase Weapon Critical Chance by 8% → Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.


This one sees we still have crit passives

Read the pts 4.3.3 patch notes they changed it to this.
Khajiit
Feline Ambush: Reworked the 8% Spell and Weapon Critical Strike Chance to 10% Critical Damage and Critical Healing.

Seraphayel

Bosmer Changes

barney2525 wrote: »

GaunterODim wrote: »

Khajiit because they ditched their crit chance passive.

Khajiit

• Increases Experience gain in Medium Armor Skill Line by 15%, 5% bonus change to successfully pickpocket → No changes
• Nimble: 20% Health Recovery and 10% Stamina Recovery → Robustness: Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka recovery by 75.
• Stealthy: Reduce detection radius by 3m and Increase damage from Stealth by 10% → Lunar Blessings: Increases your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 750.
• Carnage: Increase Weapon Critical Chance by 8% → Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.


This one sees we still have crit passives

@barney2525 This is not the up to date version. They changed the 8% Crit chance to 10% Crit damage.

me_ming

Dunmer Changes

What I don't get really is if they are nerfing say the Altmer and Dunmer because they are too strong for magicka, why buff Orcs that much? I mean, I am happy for Orcs, I have an Orc, but I have an Altmer and Dunmer too. Especially Dunmer, what exactly is Dunmer good for now? Nothing, because hybrids in this game is NOT a thing. It's not a thing in PvP, and definitely NOT a thing in PvE.

Aela_Dragonrider

Bosmer Changes

Okay, the world will not end because of this patch and my Bosmer thief will still be playable despite it. But...it will forever feel like something is missing. She will never again be as good a thief as she was. From now on she will have to stay 3m further away from enemies and guards to sneak by them; something that she may not be able to do at times. She will have greatly improved eyesight...and not even realize it. She'll have increased damage after dodge rolling...and be too busy using the increased speed after dodge roll to run away from an attack to care about it.

I'll test her sneaking in-game post-patch before getting really upset. I don't expect Bosmer stealth to be doomed (other races sneak just fine), but it will not be as fun as it was.

Nord/Redguard/Orc: Meh. My nord is no tank. She is a battleaxe-swinging, warcry-screaming StamDPS DK. Why are Redguards and Orcs the ones who get boosts to sustain and damage while Nords get just a little resistance and ult gen that only a tank could use to its full potential?!

Altmer: I am not a fan of the Altmer and never have been, but I do understand and sympathize with those who are upset at their new line up. Magic users restoring their stamina? Stamina users restoring their magicka? Helpful for hybrids, not for those who go pure one or the other.

Khajiit: My Bosmer is wistfully jealous of their stealth abilities...